🤦‍♂️No bob, they are not. THE FACTS WERE NOT DISPUTED BY TRUMP OR THE TRUMP ORG AT ALL, not in court…he submitted most of them.
Trump disputes the facts on camera, but not in court under oath. He can’t. The documents are what they are. He was too cowardly and guilty to take the stand…his smartest move yet.
Trump valued Maralago at $18 million for taxes, not the DA. He also valued it at 100 times that value to get good loan terms that saved him hundreds of millions the banks and county were then deprived of because of his fraud. Understand? I’m sure not.
I did the math, if his stated bank values are truthful, he defrauded the government out of well over $700 million in decades of unpaid taxes for one property.

What was presented during the prosecution “side” of the “hearing” bob? Nothing…because there was no prosecution phase, it was summary judgement based on what was presented by both parties during DISCOVERY. There has only been a “damages” phase of trial since the prima facie case made at discovery necessitated a sumary judgement…not a “prosecution side”.

Bob. This is civil court, not a criminal trial. Please stop trying to explain things you are wholly ignorant about.

In your example, a criminal trial with different rules, the defense could be you didn’t see them, or they dove in front of your moving car, or you were having a medical issue….or one of a thousand mitigating factors. Trump presented no mitigating factors explaining the frauds, the differing values that changed 10000% in value on paper with his signature swearing to the truthfulness of the values he presented, values he knew were fantasy, so was found guilty.
(Side note- in your example the victim’s heirs would also get a civil trial where prima facie guilt would be established by the witnesses and your admission you hit them and you would need to have evidence supporting your affirmative defense that it was under duress to evade liability, just as they would need to prove malicious intent or recklessness to get punitive damages, IMO).

😂 “Property values can’t be fraud in any way”. 😂 hilarious since submitting fraudulent values is exactly what he was found guilty of! 😂

The banks indicated massive fraud, who told you they didn’t? Trump? The banks lost over $180 million in interest they should have received if the collateral values had been correct. Yes, they made some money, but lost out on $180 million plus.
When you get a loan based on fraud like this, even if you pay it back you still comitted a crime and any penny you made from that crime can be recovered from you, exactly what’s happening.
It’s as if Trump submitted documents “proving” his credit rating was 800 but in fact it was below 400, then saying it’s no crime because he paid his low interest credit card bills, pay no attention to the lower rates and perks he received because of his fraud, they’re nothingburgers…$180 million nothing burgers.

This is a BS showman disgraced ex president caught red handed. You know it, he knows it. No one is blinded, you are simply dishonest.

What of me statement are bullshit or not in this hearing/case?
The disclaimers don’t mean Trump can just make up the numbers, like he did. I know he claims that, he already lost that point in court. He gave fraudulent numbers, values, square footage, claimed unpermitted unbuilt rentals were filled and collecting rent, claims he didn’t add “brand value” but it’s there listed on the documents.

lol. You get your “information” from crack heads, failed comedians turned pundits, and con men like rapist Trump. I get mine directly from the courts, then verify, then look at what nonsense MAGA is saying about it, then debunk your nonsense. Stop projecting. I’m not stupid. I’m no dick. I have almost no ego. I simply hate stupid lies and the stupid lying liars who lie them stupidly and I have the testicular fortitude and perspicacity to factually contradict them with facts, figures, and references.

You don’t ever look for shit, you liar. You take what the MAGA machine hands you and you say what they said to say. You haven’t had an individual thought since you’ve been posting here, not one. Every word you post can be found in the MAGAsphere written by someone else who makes money by telling you lies to repeat.

Yes, Trump was found guilty during discovery before the courtroom trial began, which is perfectly normal and reasonable in cases where the evidence is incontrovertible like this one. That’s the United States legal system, no surprise you don’t understand it….you don’t understand thing about my country.

Now whine that he couldn’t have a jury trial just because he didn’t ask for one until after his trial had started. So unfair! 😂

But the facts are disputed , which mitigates the ability of the judge to make such decision. This was presented during the 11 weeks of the prosecution side of this hearing.



It only work is such cases as for example 5 people see me run over and kill someone. That is not is dispute.
What is or could be to mitigate my conviction is to show just cause -- IE being robed at gunpoint or such.


This "trial" is about property value. This cant be fraud in any way. Trump places a value and banks do the same and an agreement is made. No bank or lender indicated fraud -- Every bank got paid back, with interest and some made other deals on other projects.

This is a BS show trial. prejudged before it even started.

Only the ignorant are blinded.

All you statement below are bullshit -- none of that in this hearing. Every proposal for loans clearly had disclaimers for banks to do their own due diligence in their evaluation. Some thought higher some though lower-- but all made loans and got paid back.


Sadly stupid dicks with big egos, like you push false information.

I look for actual facts like presented -- Her own words - Trump Guilty before the trial began-- Thats BS

You really are exactly that ignorant, aren’t you?
No American is that ignorant, Vlad. We lived with that court, you clearly did not or you would know better.
For the last >50 years the court has been at least 5-4 CONSERVATIVE, now it’s 6-3 CONSERVATIVE, and you call that a leftist court. 🤦‍♂️

You have lost your fucking mind you absolute nut job…or you are dumber than a rock….most likely both.
I hate to burst your bubble, but 6 is MORE THAN 3, 5 is MORE THAN 4.
You need to stop making yourself look so insanely idiotic. Better to be silent and let us think you a fool than open your mouth and astonish us with the level of your stupidity.

Ok Bob. I explained summary judgement and prima facie cases in small easy to understand words.
You still post this unmitigated stupidity as if you don’t understand.
Are you honestly so dumb, so incapable of learning the simplest of legal doctrines, that when undisputed evidence proves the case during discovery no trial is needed.
The business records from the Trump organization are incontrovertible, for taxes he listed one value, for collateral he listed another value that was 3-10000 times the assessed value.
Maralago is the prime example, because he went to court disputing the $18 million evaluation for taxes AS TOO HIGH! Now he claims he was committing massive tax fraud because it’s really worth $1.8 BILLION. That is known as banking fraud, tax fraud, wire fraud, and business fraud. He cannot dispute those facts, so he was found guilty before a trial started, as usual in the American justice system.
Also, in a civil trial you only need to prove it’s more likely than not, not prove beyond doubt the accusations are true…but they have proven beyond any doubt that the accusations are true in discovery…when the admissibility of evidence is argued BEFORE a trial starts.
Just like Giuliani who didn’t dispute the slander before trial so was found guilty without trial, he couldn’t dispute the evidence without committing perjury so he didn’t take the stand to defend himself at all…just what he said guilty people do. 😂

Either you know this and are just lying like an idiot because you are frustrated at being such a constant loser or you are actually just too stupid to understand that when you’re caught red handed with your hand in the cookie jar and your dick in the little boy, you’re caught and you’re guilty.

You just love to look like a braying moron, don’t you? Congratulations traitor, you do.

Once again your damaged brain fails to understand.
This set of documents is information about HOW Russia interfered, and as or more importantly how we obtained the information about who was interfering and how….like methodology, names of individuals, what classified intelligence we received from what other countries with names and methods of their sources, etc.

It is not about the Mueller investigation into Trump/Russia collusion that was out in the open… “Russia, if you’re listening…”…”absolutely we want to meet Russian agents to discuss dirt on Hillary, come to Trump tower and we’ll arrange a trade”….”don’t worry about the sanctions Obama imposed, Mr Putin, Trump will remove them day one….but shhhhhh, this conversation is technically treason.”…etc. the investigation Barr hid, redacted, edited, and lied about to protect Trump…the report that suggested he should be prosecuted.

Yes, he wanted to declassify it so he could legally take it and sell it to whoever, but he DIDN’T because he was too busy failing at his coup and being incompetent and reportedly tried to declassify the thousands and thousands of pages of sensitive top secret intelligence in the binder starting in literally the last 15 minutes of his administration, but he (or his people) did take it anyway, or maybe worse just lost it. Someone is going to prison over that.

Damn you are gullible, stupid, and incapable of following an adult conversation. This is what, the fourth, fifth, sixth time in one week that you intentionally misunderstood/misstated the clear and simple to understand position I wrote and instead argued against some red herring/paper tiger YOU created from your own delusions. It’s all you’ve got. 😂
You do this because you can’t contradict what I wrote, so you need to change it to something nonsensical you can argue against. Silly boy.

….But let’s say your dementia born fantasy is correct, it’s still a crime for him to take the binder of still highly classified documents after he’s no longer president. We’ve been down that road before …I know you can’t understand how it’s possible Trump doesn’t have absolute unlimited power in perpetuity, but it’s reality. You should join us here.

Let get this straight. Trump wants to declassify this classified document(s) that would prove he colluded with Russia to win in 2016? Declassified documents would then be available to all who ask and hence put the finals nails in own political coffin.


You think this makes sense?


Damn you are gullible and stupid.

Waiting for what?
One of your propaganda videos to NOT be discarded?
For one of your idiotic accusations to grow legs and catch on?
For MAGA to stop eating itself in a rage over its own incompetence?
To learn how to read?
For another explanation you won’t understand?
Waiting for what?
Keep waiting…try holding your breath, I hear it helps.

You are wrong….as usual.
Biden showed at Capitol Hill with his lawyers prepared to testify….publicly.
He refused to testify behind closed doors before a sham pure partisan impeachment hearing at least until it’s legitimized with a vote (why would he?), a vote MAGA won’t hold because they know they don’t have the votes to start an inquiry (or that if they do, it will cost them multiple seats in swing districts), but he was still willing to testify before the sham “impeachment inquiry” despite it being illegitimate if it was a public hearing.

Republicans said fuck no, but can’t explain why they don’t want the public hearing what he actually says, despite saying for years that that’s what they want, publicly or privately. They backtracked because they don’t want any part of this “inquiry” to be public because every bit of it is utter nonsense and they know it will destroy them if it comes out that this made up stupidity and baseless claims with absolutely no evidence is all they’ve done for the last 3 years.

Epic fail. You are correct there. Epically failing to further the fake illegitimate “investigation”.
It’s side splittingly hilarious that they can’t enforce the subpoena because the “investigation” isn’t legitimate thanks to the very rules Republicans created to protect Trump from multiple impeachments. 😂

Edit: I would like to point out, Joe could easily pardon Hunter for every charge against him and would if he was 1% as corrupt as you claim. In fact, according to Trump who just made the claim in court, as president he has no obligation to the constitution or country at all.

😂 Tantrum much!? 😂

I know reading and comprehension are weak points for you, it’s sad and shocking to see how weak.
Another reason to not believe you could earn the lowest of tech degrees…I can’t imagine you passed middle school when you can read my very short clear statement and come up with that. I spelled it out simply and clearly, and you 100% got it 100% wrong and continue to argue against something never said….typical for you because you can never back up your claims so you must pretend the topic is something else.

I never said there’s no tax fraud case, I said your title is a total lie and is debunked in the video itself. That’s a fact. You’re a constant liar. No amount of your intentionally misstating facts or what I said will change that, it reinforces it.

I have said if it wasn’t a politically motivated attack on Joe, Hunter would never be prosecuted for any of the minor crimes he did commit, he would be offered a plea deal with a fine, like he originally was. I stand by that statement. Wanna try again?

Hunter was late paying his taxes…he has paid them at this point unlike Trump who is still over $250 million behind in his NY state taxes and has defrauded the federal government out of at least that much, likely 10 times that amount.
Consider, Trump pays taxes on Maralago as if it was worth $20 million (and he complained and sued because he said that was too HIGH, it was worth LESS for tax purposes). If, as he claims, it’s really worth $1.8 BILLION…he needs to pay property taxes on $1.78 BILLION he evaded for 40 years…according to Trump himself he’s evaded over $700 MILLION in property taxes on Maralago alone. That’s quite a bit worse than Hunter’s late payment, and is only one example out of thousands where Trump defrauded the country out of hundreds of millions. 😂
If Hunter’s crimes are prison worthy, the Trumps’ are execution worthy.

😂 Fake news! 😂
I know you can’t accept the truth, bob. We all know. You deny reality daily, on every front.

HUNTER HUNTER HUNTER…..The Hunter laptop is a long dead horse, just like the election fraud fraud, every attempt to legitimize it only ended up proving how much MAGA had tampered with the data, making it not evidence but propaganda. You’ve been trying to sell this nonsense for 5-6 years now. Nobody’s buying, and nobody’s listening anymore. You can only cry wolf so many times before the villagers stop listening and start hoping a wolf will eat you and shut your lying mouth permanently….you passed that point years and years ago, friendo.

No need to google anything about the laptop, it’s nothing. The FBI proved the data had been forged by Giuliani’s team. Nothing there makes any case for anything besides more MAGA frauds perpetrated on the courts, it’s a well established pattern for MAGA, and it’s a losing strategy, because you keep getting caught! Try again. 😂

Hunter is living rent free in your head, and he’s got a mansion in there with a pool, hot tub, putting green, even a driving range, and there’s still empty space for expansion. He’s not even a politician, so why would anyone care about him? It makes the lying, exageration, and hysterics hilarious self owns by you and yours. Another big “L” for your team…one you just can’t accept but everyone outside the cult has. Reminiscent of the big lie, only cultists believe, and everyone else just sees you losing your shit over your own lies not catching on. 😂

Hilarious how the mantra was “family is off limits” when it came to Trump despite the constant nepotism, but not for his enemies despite their complete lack of involvement in politics. More dishing it out but unable to stand it from your cowardly leader…he was even to scared to testify in his own defense! What a sniveling little fat cowardly baby, cowering because he has something to hide according to his spokesperson Haba.

Nothing you claim about Hunter is true, (fortunately MAGA is so untrustworthy that no one cares what stupidity you lie) and nothing Hunter has done makes one whit of difference about his father. Keep focusing on him, ignoring the same tax crimes comitted by Trump but by a factor of 250 or more…voters notice the hypocrisy and it guarantees your loss next year….meanwhile Joe has rescued the economy in every possible way from the utter disaster and guaranteed recession/depression Trump left,
IN EVERY WAY BOB, INCLUDING INFLATION THATS AT 0% while MAGA eats itself alive and gets absolutely nothing done! 😂

Of course I’m not clicking your link, if ever there was a site I would expect to host malicious viruses, it would be the Russia/MAGA hosted anti Biden pdf site you pointed people to. Why would any rational person expose their computer to attack to download and read your pure faked propaganda? A: they wouldn’t.

It’s going to be so delicious when/if Hunter beats the charges and gets Giuliani and the RNC to pay his legal bills. You morons had a guilty plea in hand and decided to go to court instead with little chance of getting more and a huge risk he might beat all charges, vindicating himself and by extension Joe…talk about snatching defeat from the mouth of victory! 😂 😂 😂

😂 Trump is up in arms over that Lincoln Project ad, he claims they made him look stupid old and fat. I’m pretty certain it was Trump who made Trump look stupid old and fat by being stupid old and fat! 😂

Here’s an older one he didn’t claim was doctored where they use most of the same clips, and he looks like he looked….old, fat, unhealthy, and unsteady.


Bonus- McCarthy is leaving congress in disgrace at the end of the month. So is Bill Johnson. That paper thin majority in one half of congress is down to one.

Extra bonus- Trump’s “best legal people” screwed him again by missing another deadline, again, out of pure laziness… this one to appeal the reinstatement of the gag order before he testifies next Monday (can’t wait for that train wreck), and they totally screwed up the appeal too, asking for a single judge to hear their appeal after a 4 judge panel ruled on it and overrule them. The next step is the entire NY Supreme Court, not one cherry picked judge to overrule a 4 judge panel. Any competent lawyer would know that, no one on Trumps team did. They’re trying an ineffectual council defense, but that means he expects to be convicted first and is so certain of that that he isn’t trying to offer any defense at all, just incompetent attorneys. 😂

And another MAGA “bombshell” turns out to be another rehashing of another two year old nothing burger. You guys sure grasp at old straws a lot.

Now you idiots are trying to twist a car payment into some China China China nonsense, claiming this well documented under $5k repayment of 3 car payments Joe made for Hunter when Biden was not in office or running for office is somehow proof that China bought Joe and he changed policy for them (for under $5000)…but the $35000000 given to Ivanka while Daddy was in active trade negotiations, *nothing to see…the hundreds of millions directly from the Chinese government hidden by Trump in secret unreported Chinese bank accounts, *shrug…how about the $2000000000 handed to Jared in direct exchange for classified information (that they used to target and murder spies, political rivals, and enemies we outed) despite having zero investment experience and being 100% denied by their vetting process, *la-la-la-la-la.

You people are such hypocrites it’s unbelievable. You are completely covered in 5 different kinds of horrific animal shits head to toe while actively having explosive diarrhea in the middle of dinner and screaming to high heaven incessantly that the person at the other end of the table has bad breath despite every woman there mentioning his minty freshness.

I swear I’m shocked you haven’t started insisting the oceans are red, or tried to poison them because they’re blue. The just plain insane stupidity your cult spouts daily would have you committed if America had a mental health care system anymore, but thanks to Republicans in the 80’s we don’t and you’re all out there screaming on the corner.

I got you meatbag…stupid Siftbot.
*promote

Jesus Christ….Habba just introduced evidence that Trump claimed for valuation purposes that Trump tower is 72 stories, it’s 63.
Then she introduced evidence that Trump claimed Las Vegas Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas is 64 stories, its 56, the floors jump from 8 to floor 16 in one floor.
This is evidence his own lawyers supplied PROVING major intentional fraud. True, he’s already convicted of these and hundreds of other financial frauds, but it’s still just plain stupid to rub it in the trial judges face before he determines the punishment. WTF!?!
Trump is trying for a not guilty by insanity defense, Haba is going for an ineffectual council defense. 😂

Comer’s fraudulent impeachment inquiry uncovered his own land swap/shell company dealings with his own brother that are eerily similar to those he says are proof of Biden influence peddling, with the main difference being Biden loaned his brother $200k and got back $200k but in Comer’s convoluted back and forth land swapping with his brother tens of thousands of dollars just appear in the accounts with no way to account for it and they also never paid taxes on it while Biden’s brother can account for where every penny came from and has and neither Biden made a dime from it.

Bonus- 😂 Trump Media (Toth Senchal) has lost near $60 million in “value”, making it now worth $5-$25 million. Digital World Acquisition’s mission statement says they are looking for a company to invest in worth $500 million - $2 billion…which when they said it is what they assumed Trump media would be worth when shareholders bought in. Wow, is it a good thing for the investors that both companies colluded illegally to create this deal using falsified values, because they would have paid Trump $2 billion for his company that less than a year later is worth $5 million ACCORDING TO TRUMP HIMSELF.
Sounds like the buyout is off, Trump’s company doesn’t come close to meeting the requirements.
What an amazing businessman, took a guaranteed $2 billion payout and turned it into a shrinking $5 million joke because he just couldn’t help but break any financial/business law he sees.

And now we have multiple top administration officials and lawyers like Meadows, Scovino, and Ellis admitting under oath that in December Trump was saying he didn’t care that he lost, and didn’t care what the courts said, he was not going to leave the White House under any circumstances, he was just going to stay in power….as if we didn’t already know.
Because I’m sure you don’t understand, that is criminal intent, direct evidence of election fraud and multiple attempted coups, and 100% undermines any attempt to pretend he thought he won or was doing what he believed was right for him to do as president….in fact now only he can make that claim himself by testifying under oath in open court…and please oh please let his lawyers be that stupid. Er mer gerd, please be that stupid.

Enjoy being firmly on the traitors team. Don’t be surprised to wake up to find a big “T” branded on your forehead some day, Americans don’t like traitors.

Bonus-Lol…today fraud and coward Senator Mullin “accepted” the challenge to physically fight a union leader in the senate chambers knowing that the capitol police were there to protect him and not allow a fight, once again displaying MAGA’s complete lack of respect for America and your total cowardice.
If he wanted to actually accept the challenge, he would have done so either in a place where a fight could happen, or publicly and arrange a sanctioned ring fight, but he instead hid behind his security and only when safe pretended to accept.
If he actually wanted to fight then and there Bernie Sanders would not have immediately stopped him using just words.
Even better, after the union leader accepted the challenge then and there and the senator sat back down at Sanders’s order, he tried to pretend the union leader had gone silent and hid from the fight, a pure fabrication of events that just happened in public view and that we have recorded.
He never intended, nor does he intend to accept the invitation to a fist fight, this was pure false bravado staged for a photo op in congress…that tank of a union leader would have flattened him out thin enough for even you to see through him. 😂
If he’s really a tough guy, let him accept a sanctioned cage match like the guy suggested. MAGgot coward wouldn’t show up because he’s a kindergarten child, not a man.
such infants you crybabies are.

Second bonus- Speaker Johnson is already on the ropes, incapable of putting together a budget plan even his party will vote for (definitely not one that will pass the senate), is angering the same extremist MAGgots that tossed McCarthy and got him the position, and has SERIOUS financial disclosure issues like hiding his wife’s income and assets for his entire 7 year tenure, and pretending that he’s a man of minor means, so poor on only $205k (+ his wife’s income, and her unreported undisclosed LLC’s income, and the millions in freebies he doesn’t report) a year that he doesn’t have any bank accounts, and failed to disclose multiple gifts from multiple sources of at least $20k despite being required to report anything valued over $400. He’s not going to survive the year in office.
Meanwhile Greene and Gaetz are holding sham meetings of (in their own words) “shadow congress” to spout covid and vaccine misinformation, conspiracy theories, and outright lies on taxpayer dollars instead of doing the work of congress.
His criminal failures mean another Republican shutdown just in time to ruin Thanksgiving and Xmas, expected to be the busiest travel season ever while not paying tsa or traffic controllers will be an unmitigated disaster…you think people won’t remember who did that again?

Third bonus- Kevin McCarthy is now accused of battery of another Republican congressman while he was being interviewed in the Senate hallway, confirmed by the reporter. When Burchett chased him down he hid behind security and denied it, then ran away like a MAGA coward.
Gaetz has filed a formal ethics complaint.
MAGA and the Republican Party are falling apart at the seams, so flustered at constantly losing and looking moronic and anti patriotic that they are physically fighting each other and civilians in congress…and it’s delicious. 😂 Kindergartners have better self control, and it’s on full display constantly.

Enjoy political oblivion. White racist bigots are many and loud, but there’s not enough of you to elect anyone, and everyone else in your party has left.

While your statement can be taken as fact, this story however is based on this legend: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cigarson/.

The Snopes article itself is from 2000.

Rarely are lawyers THAT stupid (those that are, gets appointed as judges by the likes of Trump to do the Republican's biddings), nor are insurers that passive in NOT fighting it out in court. They don't want these precedents to stand.

I’m not the Lord….but thanks for saying I am, even if unintentionally.

So, it’s more projection then….and more evidence english is your second language at best, and you failed the class, and that you’ve never passed remedial math.

Disgraced traitor and failed dictator tumescent Trump has had the worst week in court history, after testifying that “sure, he did the crimes” he’s set to lose hundreds of millions and all his businesses before going to prison at best, and is set to be in court for treason all through the election, and you just CAN’T admit it. Fortunately the court system doesn’t care if you believe, and neither do independents.

If only there was some undeniable metric to tell how the economy is doing, like GDP (up beyond belief from NEGATIVE 2.3% for Trump to 4.9%), or unemployment (holding at record lows of 3.8 down from 9% Trump left), or wage growth (at 5.3% well above inflation, up from 2.6% under Trump thanks solely to low wage earners losing far more jobs or it would be zero), or inflation numbers (down enough at 3.7% that the fed stopped raising rates) we could look at to see the trends.
So sad there’s nothing we can look at to see and so I guess we’ll just have to take your word for it. 🤦‍♂️

Can you tell us what measurements you use to determine that Bidenomics have failed, or by what measure Trumpenomics were successful? All I know for sure is they are not the normal ones used to evaluate economics because they all point toward Trump’s policies being disastrous and Biden’s being amazing, well above all predictions consistently, so I’m curious what they are.

Ugh…more of the failed lawyer posting from mommy’s basement. How many times will you let this guy make you look stupid before you stop posting his rantings?

The same polling he references said we were getting another red tsunami yesterday…but we didn’t, did we? Republicans lost almost every single contest, even many that seemed to be a lock. Don’t you find it odd that you think Trumpism is so much more popular but every Trump backed candidate consistently loses? Keep clinging to false hope, it’s done so well for you in the last 5 elections. 😂

Now, aren’t you going to explain the mathematics of inflation to me and explain why 75% inflation translates to 140% price increases? I want to learn, and I know you can teach me since you have a firm grasp of math.