sorry, it's a *dupeof=http://www.videosift.com/video/Dolphin-Stampede

you don't think an apple is designed to be eaten?

In reply to this comment by MINK:
dude, so wrong.

the hype every year for the "must have" toy is designed well in advance by the industry, including of course the stores, especially stores with the buying power of walmart. as i understand it, you are trying to argue an extreme version of "caveat emptor".

they know they will sell more if they create hype, panic, false shortages, blanket advertising. so they do that. if only one employee gets killed by the lack of security guards and barriers... well.... that's efficiency in action!





In reply to this comment by imstellar28:
a store sale "causes" excitement like the smell of food "causes" appetite.

In reply to this comment by MINK:
the stores cause this false excitement and stampede. they should take care of their customers better by actually having crowd control that makes a stampede impossible (but... it would be less exciting, eh?)

a store sale "causes" excitement like the smell of food "causes" appetite.

In reply to this comment by MINK:
the stores cause this false excitement and stampede. they should take care of their customers better by actually having crowd control that makes a stampede impossible (but... it would be less exciting, eh?)

the stores cause this false excitement and stampede. they should take care of their customers better by actually having crowd control that makes a stampede impossible (but... it would be less exciting, eh?)

>> ^swampgirl:
It's not Walmart's fault there was no security either. Those people are at fault... bunch of animals.
Walmart should close that store for good. What a shameful blight this happening here.


I do think that Walmart (and any store) has an obligation to do certain things to protect the safety of their shoppers and employees.

There are several things that could have been done to prevent this.
1) This is nothing new, so there should have been a police presence. (police, not security, security should be there as well though.)
2) Limit the number of people going in at one time. 10-20 at most. Inform them all that anyone caught running will not be wrung up and will be asked to leave. Those refusing will be arrested for tresspassing (hence the police).
3) Ticket system for high demand/low inventory items. Many stores have been doing this and it helps on the stampedes, because everyone knows what they are able to get beforehand.
4) One door open only and one line. Anyone in the crowd either unruly or not in line, is asked to leave or risk arrest.

Some stores are already doing these things in my area and it has helped.

The reality is that in general people can be animals. Individuals can be stand up, but in crowds you get a mob mentality.

>> ^Sniper007:
This is so racist. Why do they show pictures and video all the black people, as if they were the ones who stampeded? Why didn't they show the crowds of crazy WHITE people? Damn media.

There were white people there, right?

A few. Did you see the link with the pictures of the stampede? I think this is a predominately black community. Racism was not a factor in the media's coverage of the event. Stop seeing racist conspiracies where there are none. The fact that most of these people are black is utterly irrelevent.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
I can't remember the last time a Black Friday came and went without this happening, though usually without any deaths, just injuries. While I certainly don't blame the victims, that doesn't mean it's not an obviously dangerous situation to anyone with the slightest bit of awareness.
If you walk down dark alleys waving clips of cash over your head it doesn't make you guilty when you get mugged, but it also doesn't mean you couldn't have kept yourself out of that situation in the first place.
That applies mostly to the customers rather than the employee. He wasn't really there by choice.


Yea, I feel bad for the old guy.

As far as the customers in that crowd, anyone going into that expecting it to be calm and orderly was delusional. Deaths and serious injury are rare in these cases, but stampedes and selfish behavior is extremely common. If I saw that I'd turn around and go home. There's no point risking injury to myself or my family just to save a little money on stuff I can live without to begin with.

To all those people condemning the crowd: yes, the crowd as a whole is to blame, the individuals in the crowd for the most part are not. If you've never been in an equivalent crowd where emotions run high, go into a public square in a major city during some sort of special event (new year is good in europe) where lots of drunk people are present. Once a critical mass is reached, the crowd as a whole is out of control. And once it gets moving, there is _nothing_ the few individuals with situational awareness can do. The people in the front are preoccupied with keeping on their feet and actually going where they want to, the people in the back see that the front is moving and are impatient because the motion feedback hasn't reached them yet and start pushing and shoving.

If someone goes down in that kind of situation either the people around them IMMEDIATELY try to stop and help. Once you're on the floor, all you can do is curl up, protect your head and hope. Don't ever go down in a crowd like that. Ever. Bending over, kneeling and trying to get someone up from the floor is next to suicide. Unless you have a couple of burly friends that can try to create a human cordon in front of that spot.

I'm not blaming the victims, but I would blame the store for having no secruity present. Setting up a system of letting only limited abouts of people in at a time (say 12-20) keeps crowd inside the store under control and a stampede won't happen. But you would have to deal with the crushing at the perimeter.

But then again, that would assume that security knows what it's doing. And after seeing how airport security screened me in SF International in febuary of 2002, I wouldn't want to bet money on that. (I was on the special ZZZ 'screen until his ass explodes' list for some reason, and noone, not a single person checked my jacket after I laid it aside at the start of the search... go figure)

This is so racist. Why do they show pictures and video all the black people, as if they were the ones who stampeded? Why didn't they show the crowds of crazy WHITE people? Damn media.

There were white people there, right?

The sad part about all of this is, American Retail consumerism NEEDS the stampede to remain sustainable. In other words, it NEEDS the hype, needs the mindless consumers to sleep outside the doors for days, to generate desire sufficient to keep the economy rolling..

My guess is WalMart will not be held liable for this, as, for all intents and purposes, this is the "price of capitalism."

Now if they installed an American Gladiator-type of obstacle course at the front entrance, that'd be a different story.

[AP coverage & cell phone footage]

"Witnesses say [a pregnant woman] miscarried." Wow, people who were at the stampede followed her to the hospital and listened in on the medical report?

For what it's worth, I read on a different news site that doctors believe the unborn baby is okay.

Wtf was a pregnant woman doing in a situation like that to begin with?

Sure, it isn't her fault that others were stampeding, but they were crammed into that area like that well before opening. Common sense would seem to dictate that if you are pregnant then it probably isn't a good idea to pack yourself into a crowd of people waiting to push through a very narrow opening.

Edit: Reports of the miscarriage are false apparently. Still, it is worth noting that a pregnant lady at some point looked at this crowd of several thousand people (which was unruly even before the doors opened) and thought to herself "yea, that looks like a perfectly safe place to take my unborn child". The AP reports that she was 8 months pregnant. Go ahead and tell me that was a good idea with a straight face.

Anyway - it looks like a dupe to me. Shorter vids generally have been considered not dupes only if the original is 'long'. Background music is irrelevant, although, there is precedent for it if the music specifically adds to the content - arvana's duck herding vid vs the original duck stampede. Of course, that precedent wasn't really discussed in any meaningful way.

STAMPEDE!!!!

I voted this up before I realized that this is a shorter version dupe of this...
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Lion-King-The-Stampede


Sorry. No wonder it looked familiar to me. I had Sifted this myself.