http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senser
Indeed, Stacked Up is a great album..good hear this live track.

>> ^choggie:
uhhh, the shit only stacks up is manufactured and allowed,because the machine has by the short and curlys, even the elite imbeciles recycling their own saliva to make the world a "sustainable''place..... they are otherwise fr the most part, ineffectual uber-consumers, bent on strangling salmon by hand to get what they feel they deserve.....What's in your wallet????


Read the title. "Picturing excess" the title is not "Captain planet wants you to save the world"
it is about perspective. The perspective our brain misses due to the fact of the minute contribution that each person adds to society but that as a whole becomes significant. This is about the deep behaviors that society fails to grasp most of the time because the nature of those behaviors are unconscious habits.
what the artist tried to do was to condense those behaviors through pictures. Nothing more, nothing less.

uhhh, the shit only stacks up is manufactured and allowed,because the machine has by the short and curlys, even the elite imbeciles recycling their own saliva to make the world a "sustainable''place..... they are otherwise fr the most part, ineffectual uber-consumers, bent on strangling salmon by hand to get what they feel they deserve.....What's in your wallet????

It seems far out there, but its not a joke.

I'm trying to find all the things that tell me this stuff isn't true but I cant seem to find any thing on the internet that tells me its fake.

Its been around since the 1980s after the contra.

Not trying to be alarmist, but this is the first I've heard of this.

There are places that have huge plots of land with plastic boxes stacked up, look like coffins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wV3vc9kDEM&NR=1

These are coffin liners, but according to these guys they havent been used for interment of bodies at normal graveyards.

This is questionable, stuff.

(Follow me, don't follow me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(Collar me, don't collar me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(We are agents of the free)
I've had my fun and now it's time to serve your conscience overseas
(Over me, not over me)
Coming in fast, over me

(Follow me, don't follow me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(Collar me, don't collar me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(We are agents of the free)
I've had my fun and now it's time to serve your conscience overseas
(Over me, not over me)
Coming in fast, over me

High on the roof, thin the blood
Another one climbs on the waves tonight
Comin' into your home

We would circle and we'd circle and we'd circle to stop and consider and centered on the pavement stacked up all the trucks jacked up and our wheels in slush and orange crush in pocket and all this here county, hell, any county, it's just like heaven here, and I was remembering and I was just in a different county and all then this whirlybird that I headed for I had my goggles pulled off; I knew it all, I knew every back road and every truck stop

(Follow me, don't follow me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(Collar me, don't collar me)
I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush
(We are agents of the free)
I've had my fun and now it's time to serve
(Over me, not over me)
your conscience overseas
(Over me, not over me)
Coming in fast, over me

High on the roof, thin the blood
Another one climbs on the waves tonight
Comin' into your home

High on the roof, thin the blood
Another one climbs on the waves tonight
Comin' into your home

And while we're discussing "alternative fuel", there needs to be more public inquiry about Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles. Because, in all honesty, they will not help our energy crisis, in the end they will hinder it. Why? Mostly because it takes far more energy to produce, store, and transport Hydrogen, than you will ever get out of using that Hydrogen. Just as an example a Hydrogen Tank stacked up against a Honda Accord:

A Hydrogen tank with 55kg @ 3000psi will weigh approximately 400kg and offer approximately 165 miles of driving range while costing $2000.

A gasoline tank, at 17 gallons, weighing 73kg, will offer 493 miles at a cost of $100.

The reasons for the increased tank weight with Hydrogen is due to the high pressure the Hydrogen must be stored at. The tank must be built heavy, and incredibly strong and durable in order to contain that pressure.

A more viable solution which we can easily invest in and promote would be purely electric cars, running on battery power. I recommend everyone who hasn't seen Who Killed The Electric Car? to run out and rent it as soon as possible.

Or make them stack up to a maximum number, like 5 or 10

c'mon man, I'm being serious...do they keep stacking up if you don't use em?? I care not to read dweeb-script-(admin explanations)

something about their "discussion" tactics makes me think sometimes it is best to just punch someone in the face

I know it's a joke, but this is NEVER the way to win against them, and his yelling at them was not the way either.

The way to win against these absolutely evil money grabbing horrors is to simply stack up the evidence, present it clearly, rationally, never lose your cool (obviously very hard when faced with their kind of horrendously over the top interrogation), and always treat them with respect etc. Never give them any ammunition for a slander attack such as this reporter did.

It's horrendous to think of all the pain this 'church' has caused.

SG,

You've misunderstood. Your criteria for disliking something may be rational or irrational. Disliking something doesn't make you irrational.

On Country

You don't like 'modern' country, but you do like country, which means you haven't written off an entire genre of music (I'm not judging, it's just an observation).

I happen to agree with you on country, but there is some decent stuff out there if you look for it. If you don't already know Abigail Washburn, then she is soon to be one of your favorites. Other acts to look for are Old Crow Medicine Show, Wilco and Nickel Creek. None of it but the AW stuff really stack up to Patsy Cline or Johnny Cash, but it's a helluva lot better than the drivel on the radio.

In general, music on commercial radio is horrible.

Jazz and Hip-Hop

Jazz and Hip-hop are actually more similar than you think.

-They both use the same types of rhythmic syncopations. This point is made clearly by an excellent mashup of an Eminem song and an old piano rag. The track is called 'Snookered' by a DJ named Freelance Hairdresser. You can follow these syncopations from ragtime to Dixie Jazz, to Swing, Rock, Bop, Soul, Funk, and eventually Hip-Hop.

-The co-opting of popular tunes is also shared between the two genres. Rappers are much maligned for their use of samples and get little credit for the creative ways in which they reconstruct the source material. Jazzer's would also co-opt the popular standards of the day, tweaking the harmonies/ melodies and adding their own improvisational ideas.

-Both types of music place a large emphasis on improvisation. In Hip-Hop it's called freestyle.

-Like Hip-Hop, Jazz was an outlet for a culture largely shut out of the mainstream. Both styles of music were marginalized, maligned and generally considered lewd, crude and disgusting.

-Jazz was eventually co-opted and accepted by whites, which is happening as we speak in the hip hop world. This isn't a bad thing, as white folks had/have some nice things to add.

Finally, I must say that your characterization of Hip-hop as negative is as bad a generalization as saying all Christians are as lame as Pat Robertson. There is plenty of positive Hip-Hop out there. I'd suggest MeShell Ndegeocello, Eryka Badhu, Outkast and M.I.A. for starters.

The media spends much time attacking Hip-Hip, and buying into media distortions don't make you a racist.

The racism I speak of is subtle and internalized. If you were to recognize this racism in yourself, it would evaporate instantly upon recognition. I'm not trying to brand anyone with a scarlet R, this is just a plea for folks to be introspective and constantly in a state of self improvement.

We are all a product of our time, and although things are getting better, we have a long way to go before we are free from racism/sexism/classism/homophobia to name a few isms (and one phobia). If it exists in culture, it exists in you too.

Finally, I know I pissed many people off with this thread. It was intended to be light-hearted. I have arrived at these ideas after doing quite a bit of thinking, and didn't bother to fill in the space between A and B. In other words, I blurted out some unconventional, controversial ideas without telling you how I got to them.

Some of got it right away, but apparently others thought I was calling them Klansmen, and apparently others still ACTUALLY ARE KLANMEN (just kidding you know who.)

It probably would have been better to present these ideas as things I've discovered about myself, without forcing anyone to have to take a critical look inside their own soul. Forcing introspection is not polite.

Still, I think this discussion will be rattling around in sifty heads for some time, and at the very least, we've breached that most taboo of American taboos, racism. Maybe we should move on to classism..........

SG,

Oh, and it's so funny to call someone irrational if they dislike something that's somehow tied to a particular culture

You've misunderstood. Your criteria for disliking something may be rational or irrational. Disliking something doesn't make you irrational.

On Country

You don't like 'modern' country, but you do like country, which means you haven't written off an entire genre of music (I'm not judging, it's just an observation).

I happen to agree with you on country, but there is some decent stuff out there if you look for it. If you don't already know Abigail Washburn, then she is soon to be one of your favorites. Other acts to look for are Old Crow Medicine Show, Wilco and Nickel Creek. None of it but the AW stuff really stack up to Patsy Cline or Johnny Cash, but it's a helluva lot better than the drivel on the radio.

In general, music on commercial radio is horrible.

Jazz and Hip-Hop

Jazz and Hip-hop are actually more similar than you think.

-They both use the same types of rhythmic syncopations. This point is made clearly by an excellent mashup of an Eminem song and an old piano rag. The track is called 'Snookered' by a DJ named Freelance Hairdresser. You can follow these syncopations from ragtime to Dixie Jazz, to Swing, Rock, Bop, Soul, Funk, and eventually Hip-Hop.

-The co-opting of popular tunes is also shared between the two genres. Rappers are much maligned for their use of samples and get little credit for the creative ways in which they reconstruct the source material. Jazzer's would also co-opt the popular standards of the day, tweaking the harmonies/ melodies and adding their own improvisational ideas.

-Both types of music place a large emphasis on improvisation. In Hip-Hop it's called freestyle.

-Like Hip-Hop, Jazz was an outlet for a culture largely shut out of the mainstream. Both styles of music were marginalized, maligned and generally considered lewd, crude and disgusting.

-Jazz was eventually co-opted and accepted by whites, which is happening as we speak in the hip hop world. This isn't a bad thing, as white folks had/have some nice things to add.

Finally, I must say that your characterization of Hip-hop as negative is as bad a generalization as saying all Christians are as lame as Pat Robertson. There is plenty of positive Hip-Hop out there. I'd suggest MeShell Ndegeocello, Eryka Badhu, Outkast and M.I.A. for starters.

The media spends much time attacking Hip-Hip, and buying into media distortions don't make you a racist.

The racism I speak of is subtle and internalized. If you were to recognize this racism in yourself, it would evaporate instantly upon recognition. I'm not trying to brand anyone with a scarlet R, this is just a plea for folks to be introspective and constantly in a state of self improvement.

We are all a product of our time, and although things are getting better, we have a long way to go before we are free from racism/sexism/classism/homophobia to name a few isms (and one phobia). If it exists in culture, it exists in you too.

Finally, I know I pissed many people off with this thread. It was intended to be light-hearted. I have arrived at these ideas after doing quite a bit of thinking, and didn't bother to fill in the space between A and B. In other words, I blurted out some unconventional, controversial ideas without telling you how I got to them.

Some of got it right away, but apparently others thought I was calling them Klansmen, and apparently others still ACTUALLY ARE KLANMEN (just kidding you know who.)

It probably would have been better to present these ideas as things I've discovered about myself, without forcing anyone to have to take a critical look inside their own soul. Forcing introspection is not polite.

Still, I think this discussion will be rattling around in sifty heads for some time, and at the very least, we've breached that most taboo of American taboos, racism. Maybe we should move on to classism..........

I wonder how this stacks up to the Pancor Jackhammer and the Neostead 2000.

Hi Lisa,

I know what you mean about how the real thing sometimes doesn't stack up to its reputation/image. I saw your reply in the Bladerunner-Opening thread. Are you sure it's Tricky's Aftermath? I listened to a sample of it on Amazon, and it's not the song I remember.

In reply to your comment:
“Yes, that's it, Kelly. (http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_results.php?object_id=80997) I saw it in London when I was on a college trip in the late '70s. It was in the big "Dada and Surrealist Reviewed" show at the Hayward Gallery along with Duchamps urinal, 'natch! It's like when you see celebrities in person and they seem really small and norma l It's kind of ratty looking. You can see where the skin and the glue used has yellowed and dried...hey, it happens to all of us right? Haven't been to the new, improved MoMA yet, I'm more apt to be outside on the street selling my own art, but it's free on Fridays from 4-8pm so there's no excuses!

I love your avatar, and pomegranates, and am intrigued by what eden wrote. I need to look that up!

-Lisa

In reply to your comment:
“Hi Lisa,

I was trying to remember where I saw your avatar pic before. I just found it in an old art book. Is it Meret Oppenheim's 'Object' at The Museum of Modern Art, NY? Is it still at the museum? Is it a photo, or an actual object? (haven't been there yet..)
Kelly””

A retarded gerbil would be better than Bush. How does Obama stack up against Clinton, McCain, Richardson, Giuliani, etc? Of course he's saying a lot of the "right things" and so far I think he's doing a good job of seeming like less of a politician than the others. His book has a lot to do with that. We'll see if he can keep it up.

"What I meant by indisputable and bulletproof is that anyone who watches the video without prejudice would be forced to arrive at the same conclusion.

1. They estimated pancaking would take what, 111 seconds? It fell in 10."

Who are "they"? Did "they" do an accurate model test to see what would happen? It doesn't surprise me that thousands of tons of concrete and steel would accelerate to such speed and go through anything under it.

"2. The concrete was reduced to dust. Pancaked buildings look like this: http://www.msnucleus.org/membership/html/k-6/pt/hazards/k/images/carcus.jpg A pile of floors on top each other, not a pile of conveniently sized pieces of metal for clearing."

Good job comparing a skyscraper to a small building. Seriously, do you really think that over 100 floors collapsing onto each other would stack up so nicely? By now you've lost all credibility, and there's really no point continuing, but I'll go on.

"3. Structural steel melts at 2700 F, jet fuel/open air fires burn at 1200 F max."

But it weakens at a much lower temperature. Also, the planes tore through a lot of supports. The comparison of planes to wind that they make in the documentary is laughable. Wind doesn't have such concentrated penetrating force.

"4. The core sinks before the floors collapse. The core collapsed at all (it should have been left standing if the floors pancaked around it)."

It's not like the floors are loosely connected to the core and would just fall around it.

"5. All the firefighters/witnesses heard multiple explosions."

Really? Did they interview ALL the witnesses? And I don't think a person that just went through such a shocking experience is the best person to ask such details. Also, I'm sure a building makes all kinds of noises when it falls apart.

"6. Almost every sky scraper has had a major fire in its lifetime. Many have sustained full on fires for 20+ hours and none have ever collapsed, the only three in recorded history all collapsed on 9/11 and fell in an identical manner."

Not jet fuel fire after being penetrated with a commercial jet.

"7. The WTC was publically owned until Larry Silverstein, a private contractor bought it two months before 9/11 and put out a huge insurance policy with terrorism clause. He collected 7 billion and will be profiting off the memorial."

Uhh... so what? This is a possible motive, but it's not evidence.

"The list goes on. One is enough, how can you argue against dozens?"

Well I just did.