Ireland has had a very different post WWII history to America. A lot of what you just said is irrelevant to us. Eg we didn't have a baby boom - you can be guaranteed this guy had a hard time in the 60s, 70s, 80s. The spoiled generation was born in the late 80s and 90s. Ireland's retirement age to my knowledge has never dropped below 65. That aside, our pensions are paid for directly through taxes anyway.

More generally, our "leftist philosophy" (and it's a big stretch to call it that) is not responsible for the crash. The banks guarantee scheme is where the vast majority of our debt is coming from. It was not debt racked up by the people or the government but by banks. The guarantee doomed the country. Fucking Anglo Irish Bank.>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Well - as with many Sift vids this brings up a complicated issue and only chooses to tell a part of the story.
Companies, banks, insurers, financial institutions, and many businesses have indeed behaved with what can only be described as evil indifference. They have gamed systems around the world to create favorable business environments for themselves, and when the market collapsed they pushed slimy political patronage in order to get bailouts to save them from their stupidity. These businesses should have been allowed to fail and damn the consequences.
But the video ignores the other dancers on the floor - government and the citizens.
Western governments have been 'engineering' this problem for decades because of leftist poltiical philosophy being funded with crony 'capitalism'. They have been buying votes with social giveaways, and partnering with business to use skullduggery and questionable legislation (and some outright unconstitutional stuff) to engage in 'social justice', 'political fairness'. But progressive/liberal philosophies always run governments into unsustainability because the model cannot sustain itself. Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Germany and the rest aren't in financial trouble just because banks behaved like idiots. They are on the brink of collapse because they promised trillions in social benefits that they NEVER had the ability to supply. They knew this long ago, but made a devil's bargain with the sleazy businesses to shadow-fund the shell game. But inevitably, unsustainable models break, and now everything is crumbling around them, which forces them to make cuts (austerity measures) or face total collapse.
Which finally brings us to player #3. The people. No offense to specific individuals, but as a collective the citizens of Western civilization have behaved (with exceptions of course) like a bunch of spoiled brats. This angry Irishman is probably a spoiled brat too, since he looks to be a part of the Boomer generation which is one of the most spoiled rotton generations this world has ever seen and he's totally whining about not getting to keep his precious benefits. Despite potential financial collapse, these stupid people still till want to retire at age 50, get 1 month a year free vacation, free college, full retirement benefits, and every other unaffordable perk, benefit, freebie, and giveaway they can glom their sticky, greedy mitts on. Not to mention that they VOTED these bozos into office based on promises to get all this stuff, which is why the governments screwed up so badly to start with.
Bad banks? Sure. But government and the people get no free pass with me.

Well - as with many Sift vids this brings up a complicated issue and only chooses to tell a part of the story.

Companies, banks, insurers, financial institutions, and many businesses have indeed behaved with what can only be described as evil indifference. They have gamed systems around the world to create favorable business environments for themselves, and when the market collapsed they pushed slimy political patronage in order to get bailouts to save them from their stupidity. These businesses should have been allowed to fail and damn the consequences.

But the video ignores the other dancers on the floor - government and the citizens.

Western governments have been 'engineering' this problem for decades because of leftist poltiical philosophy being funded with crony 'capitalism'. They have been buying votes with social giveaways, and partnering with business to use skullduggery and questionable legislation (and some outright unconstitutional stuff) to engage in 'social justice', 'political fairness'. But progressive/liberal philosophies always run governments into unsustainability because the model cannot sustain itself. Greece, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Germany and the rest aren't in financial trouble just because banks behaved like idiots. They are on the brink of collapse because they promised trillions in social benefits that they NEVER had the ability to supply. They knew this long ago, but made a devil's bargain with the sleazy businesses to shadow-fund the shell game. But inevitably, unsustainable models break, and now everything is crumbling around them, which forces them to make cuts (austerity measures) or face total collapse.

Which finally brings us to player #3. The people. No offense to specific individuals, but as a collective the citizens of Western civilization have behaved (with exceptions of course) like a bunch of spoiled brats. This angry Irishman is probably a spoiled brat too, since he looks to be a part of the Boomer generation which is one of the most spoiled rotton generations this world has ever seen and he's totally whining about not getting to keep his precious benefits. Despite potential financial collapse, these stupid people still till want to retire at age 50, get 1 month a year free vacation, free college, full retirement benefits, and every other unaffordable perk, benefit, freebie, and giveaway they can glom their sticky, greedy mitts on. Not to mention that they VOTED these bozos into office based on promises to get all this stuff, which is why the governments screwed up so badly to start with.

Bad banks? Sure. But government and the people get no free pass with me.

No, I was simply adding a scene to surround the comment for comedic value>> ^MarineGunrock:

So, what? You believe that people shouldn't have to repay their debts so long as they have a sad story? What these people do could be described as sleazy at best, but the debtors still owe money.
>> ^rottenseed:
he passionately writes as he requests another hot pocket from his mother's basement >> ^handmethekeysyou:
"Unicredit America is accused of deceiving, misleading, and coercing hundreds of consumers into paying off their debts."
Yeah, God forbid people should pay off their debts.

And that's why debt collectors exist and there are laws governing what they can do when attempting to collect. If debt collectors don't feel they can collect debts within the law, they shouldn't have gotten into the business. And if someone has a large amount of outstanding debt, it's fairly trivial to run up more debt via all the avenues people attempt to extend credit to people. It's not right to rip people off, but there are laws in place to prevent abuse of those people. Yet somehow people can seem to overlook this when extending credit, even if the person owes a lot of money.

Yes people should repay their debts, but there's a whole shady business associated with it. If they didn't want to incur the debt they wouldn't extend credit so freely, and give you debit cards as default for ATM cards......and constantly raise your credit card credit limit (it's not unheard of to go from a requested 500 dollar limit to 10 grand or more as a limit without requesting it). It's annoying to have to watch that the bank doesn't screw with your self imposed limits on cards...but that's the point. They want you to fuck up.


>> ^MarineGunrock:

So, what? You believe that people shouldn't have to repay their debts so long as they have a sad story? What these people do could be described as sleazy at best, but the debtors still owe money.
>> ^rottenseed:
he passionately writes as he requests another hot pocket from his mother's basement >> ^handmethekeysyou:
"Unicredit America is accused of deceiving, misleading, and coercing hundreds of consumers into paying off their debts."
Yeah, God forbid people should pay off their debts.

So, what? You believe that people shouldn't have to repay their debts so long as they have a sad story? What these people do could be described as sleazy at best, but the debtors still owe money.

>> ^rottenseed:

he passionately writes as he requests another hot pocket from his mother's basement >> ^handmethekeysyou:
"Unicredit America is accused of deceiving, misleading, and coercing hundreds of consumers into paying off their debts."
Yeah, God forbid people should pay off their debts.

Smooman, I should have expected a knee jerk reaction from you. I don't hold the act in contempt. I hold the fact that so many people were put in that position in the first place, in contempt.

It's a shame that this sort of heroism is needed, in such wasteful wars. Perhaps I could have phrased it better. It's a shame that this sort of heroism is wasted on shameful wars.

What's even more shameful is that you misunderstood my comment, and charged into a litany of cliched insults without fully understanding what I wrote.

The Idea that we should separate acts of courage from the sleazy politics behind a war is completely abject to me. If anything these acts of courage should be used as a reason to not have war.

Downvote for the scammy link embedded in the video, for the melodrama of the entire situation, and for the sincere claim that the game is some kind of synthetic, life wrecking drug. Seriously, if some old senator were making that claim on the floor of congress you'd all be raising hell about how alarmist it was.

WoW is actually pretty good as far as discouraging endless grinding. It also makes sure that you can never benefit in game from paying money. If you want to talk about a sleazy game, think about Farmville, where every game play mechanic is designed to get at your wallet as frequently as possible.

>> ^frosty:

Tea Party Reasoning? Typical sleazy political tactic -- take the behavior of a nut on the fringe of a movement and project that behavior on the movement at large. You know, every Democrat is an adulterer just like John Edwards.


The Tea Party is a fringe movement.

And the man's reasoning is, probably, 90% in keeping with that of its membership, except he's a little more gung-ho and hostile about expressing it.

What did he say that the average Tea Party member would disagree with?

Even the so called "reasonable" tea partiers are pretty whacked out man. I have yet to see one anywhere who even resembles a rational human being. Who would you point to as a mainstream/non lunatic fringe TPer?

>> ^frosty:

Tea Party Reasoning? Typical sleazy political tactic -- take the behavior of a nut on the fringe of a movement and project that behavior on the movement at large. You know, every Democrat is an adulterer just like John Edwards.

Tea Party Reasoning? Typical sleazy political tactic -- take the behavior of a nut on the fringe of a movement and project that behavior on the movement at large. You know, every Democrat is an adulterer just like John Edwards.

>> ^Ryjkyj:
If this girl only makes a million for this idea it would be a shame. And I bet it would be the result of some sleazy business reptile.
And Opus: WTF? You'd just turn the bar around for a left handed version.


i hope you realized i was kidding...

If this girl only makes a million for this idea it would be a shame. And I bet it would be the result of some sleazy business reptile.

And Opus: WTF? You'd just turn the bar around for a left handed version.

We started living in an old house
My ma gave birth and we were checking it out
It was a baby boy
So we bought him a toy
It was a ray gun
And it was 1981
We named him Baby
He had a toothache
He started crying
It sounded like an earthquake
It didnt last long
Because I stopped it
I grabbed a rag doll
And stuck some little pins in it
Now were a family
And were alright now
We got money and a little place
To fight now
We dont know you
And we dont owe you
But if you see us around
I got something else to show you
Now its easy when you dont know better
You think its sleazy?
Then put it in a short letter
We keep warm
But theres just something wrong when you
Just feel like youre the hardest little button
To button
I had opinions
That didnt matter
I had a brain
That felt like pancake batter
I got a backyard
With nothing in it
Except a stick
A dog
And a box with something in it
The hardest button to button

Meh, those sleazy practices are nothin. It's the damn popups that want you to bug your friends that I hate.

Level 131...

Remember that episode of Star Trek where there was a stupid little addictive game that got passed around? Mafia Wars is like that without the pleasure reward.

>> ^UsesProzac:
>> ^TheFreak:
Yes, this can't be the whole story. He must be using that money to live a decadent life. Sleazy MS disabled con artist living the good life with his electric wheel chairs and people paid to wipe his ass every time he takes a shit. I mean, his health care costs alone probably total at least 1/10 of the bonus paid to the CEO of Guardian last year!
Let's hear the whole story! I mean, the fact that we get health insurance to safeguard against the cost of care in the case of catastrophic health problems does not justify ANYONE having their health care costs covered by an insurance company in the case of catastrophic health problems! It's a good thing there are state laws that protect insurers from having to pay when patients become this ill.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I'd really like to see you maintain this sentiment if you were that fucking sick.

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