I'm suffering from serious confirmation bias on this because it agrees with a lot of what I heard around the 2014 revolution and since.

I was in Russia when they invaded Georgia in 2008. Specifically, I was staying with family in Ossetia, which is a mountain state that was split between Russia (North Ossetia) and Georgia (South Ossetia). Russia invaded because Georgia was attacking a Georgian town in South Ossetia. On the day of the invasion I was working in the mountains collecting water samples, and got a very close view of what was happening, got local confirmation of what was being reported, got to talk to refugees, etc.

Without going into it too much, when I got back to Ireland and saw what was being said and how it was being framed it was absolutely laughable and so obviously wrong. Some were worse than others - Sky News in the UK and Fox News being the worst offenders - but no major news media that I saw was giving the side of the story that I saw.

Also, when the UN report on what happened came out several years later it completely matched with my take on what happened.

The point of all this is that when the invasion happened earlier this year I knew there was no way I'd have the time or expertise to find out what's going on, even though I have friends and family in Ireland, Russia, and Ukraine. All sides are pushing their narrative hard. All sides are lying to us and manipulating us to the best of their ability. Depending on where you live you'll hear one side louder than the other, and the people around you will tend towards that narrative.

Personally I believe both sides have committed atrocities. I don't know who's been worse. I've seen both sides, including journalists, manipulating footage to support their narrative.

My only take on this is that invading a sovereign country is absolutely wrong except in extreme circumstances where every practical diplomatic means has been exhausted.

To come back to this video, my instinct was to promote it because it does seem to be a well informed take on the context of what's happening, but I've been hesitant because of my confirmation bias and because it muddies the message of "war is very very very bad".

Feck it, though. *promote

LOL, Murdoch's Sky News Australia - the channel issuing more racist apologies (to avoid fines) than reporting on real news.

What's wrong with news of a NYC incident (with the criminal already caught) "disappearing from the headlines" in Australia? Don't have your own country's news to report? Besides, when the NYPD dig up more details, no doubt the networks will come rushing back again, they always do.

Tell you what. There's narily a peep of Australian news in the US media any given day. You don't hear any of the shit f**kery Morrison is doing now in the USA. Ask an American where Australia is in a map, a half of them will point their fingers somewhere near Germany. Or Brazil. Same chance.

Oh Bob, American don't care about other countries' existence, except for political reasons. This is just another example right-wing ugliness.

Sky News!? That’s like Fox on meth without the pretext that they’re pro-America. Foreign Anti American propaganda from an anti democracy anti America foreigner.
Love the way you love those who absolutely hate America so consistently.

Sorry, @bobknight33….the only reasons Trump didn’t start any wars (and boy did he want to) are 1) his advisors repeatedly talked him down from most, but not all provocations (how we avoided war in Iran I’ll never know, multiple assassinations often lead to war, especially when you murder generals and their entourage on foreign soil.)
And 2) he never contradicted or stood up to our enemies, he courted, praised, and capitulated to them completely. Why would Russia go to war when we completely ignored their invasions and expansion and took their word over our own intelligence community?

Derp….the pipeline Trump’s whining about was cancelled by the Germans. How great an idea to have them spend billions then cancel certification!

I know you have the memory of a meth head gnat, but come on, Bobby. Are you really that clueless….oh wait, yes you are. You just claimed Russia didn’t invade under Trump a day or two ago.

You didn’t just fail current events and history class here, Bob, you got a 12% average. Once again, you make it impossible to believe you graduated from an American college, difficult to believe you graduated high school. So sad.

If you don't want to watch the entire hitler-subtitle meme above (which was also funny), it was because BGP stands for Border Gateway Protocol, and the Sky News presenter got it wrong (with confidence).

"bridging gap protocol" isn't a thing, so no idea where they got it - maybe some geeks at Sky corp pranked him.

To be fair, that's a lot more accurate than most of what Sky News says.

This couldn't have been more Australian if the guy'd come out holding a VB and smoking a Winnie.

also: fuck Sky News with a stick!

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upvote for sky news montage of russians fighting on tv

This is the Sky News guy Mark Stone?, anyway shortly after this some guys tried to relieve him of his Iphone so he jumped on his bike and took shelter in a club. Hes lucky.

>> ^moodonia:

SKy News in the UK is reporting that Police have identified one of the punks in this video


Excellent!

SKy News in the UK is reporting that Police have identified one of the punks in this video

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Fox News is in the U.K. now?


Has been for years love, but it's Sky news, blech. I wish there was a god so RM would surely burn in eternal hellfire