>> ^Stormsinger:

Nope, getting paid even 25 cents seems unbelievable to me. I've heard 8 year olds that did a better job of playing their instruments.
Frankly, I'm really having a hard time making the word "music" stretch to cover that noise.




I know this post is old but I had to post just to get this out of my system...stormsinger is an idiot. Lee Ving is an extremely talented musician and Fear were some of the most accomplished musicians of the early hardcore scene. Flea from RHCP did a stint with Fear FFS. I don't expect everyone to understand the Punk movement but don't be an idiot. Go listen to whatever insipid, flatulent, and derivative pop crap is the flavor of the day and keep your opinions to yourself. And yes, Punk was about attitude but it also spawned some of the most creative and powerful rock and roll ever. Nirvana, Greenday, Coldplay etc... all wannabe's. I love Dave Grohl and the Foo Fighters but they might as well be Husker Du, and Dave would probably admit it. He often has Grant Hart at their shows! Calling Fear weak is like saying the Ramones didn't influence anything...moron.

Yes, that was the vid. Thank you for the new link!

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Was it this video? http://www.hulu.com/watch/107501/saturday-night-live-fox-news-election

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Was it this video? http://www.hulu.com/watch/107501/saturday-night-live-fox-news-election

Inspiring emotional strength and power. I saw her performance of War on Saturday Night Live when it first aired, but I never saw this. *wipes single tear* I have had a crush on her since the mid/late 80's and this just brought it back in full force. Thanks for posting this.

Oh, and also, she has the grace enough to understand where the anger came from:

"Almost 18 years ago, I tore up a picture of Pope John Paul II on an episode of "Saturday Night Live." Many people did not understand the protest -- the next week, the show's guest host, actor Joe Pesci, commented that, had he been there, "I would have gave her such a smack." I knew my action would cause trouble, but I wanted to force a conversation where there was a need for one; that is part of being an artist. All I regretted was that people assumed I didn't believe in God. That's not the case at all. I'm Catholic by birth and culture and would be the first at the church door if the Vatican offered sincere reconciliation."

Good link:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/134724/saturday-night-live-really-with-seth-and-jerry

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if this is blocked for anyone, alternate embed here:

http://videogum.com/152572/saturday-night-live-zach-galifianakis-with-vampire-weekend/tv/late-night/

was just about to submit this, along with the clip i just tossed up of him shaving for this sketch:

http://www.videosift.com/video/SNL-Backstage-Zach-shaves-his-beard

Here ya go, ant:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/digital-short-zach-drops-by-the-set/1207081/

Tags for this video have been changed from 'snl, saturday night live, monologue, stand up, piano, beard comparisons' to 'snl, saturday night live, monologue, piano, beard comparisons, pilates, waffles' - edited by calvados

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http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/zach-monologue/1207090/ for those who can't play the embedded video.

I'm not patronizing by pointing out that this music had it's place and purpose in rock history and just because it doesn't speak to you (and it's not supposed to speak to everyone) doesn't make it any less music then the music you like. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but your coming off as a music snob. There is a lot of music that I don't care for and sounds like crap to me but to each his own.

By saying things like "So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument" just shows your ignorance of the genre. People weren't listening to bands like Black Flag, Dead Kennedy's, The Circle Jerks, etc... Because they had a guitarist like Eddie Van Halen or a singer like Elton John...it wasn't about how good you could play your instrument. It was about the sound that you could create and the energy of that sound and the lyrics. The lyrics to one of the songs in this video "New Yorks Alright if you Like Saxophones" are pretty funny. The lyrics to one of the other songs "Let's Have a War" is also some good satire about how war is good for the economy "Jack up the Dow Jones!" and "General Motors get fat like last time!".

I'm not saying that you have to like this or understand this...just explaining why some people do. Your response on the other hand is basically that what I am telling you and what others have told you about the genre and why we like it is all bullshit.

>> ^Stormsinger:
So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument, and just scream raggedly into a mike. Got it.
Drop the patronization, please. I'm fully aware of the ridiculous claims made to support the godawful talentless crap they called punk. And it's still nothing but noise. Precisely on the level of the three-year-old throwing a tantrum by screaming and kicking the floor.
I'm not saying there is no value in punk...but the value wasn't actually perceptible until -after- it was gone. Some of the bands now called post-punk are moderately interesting...a few are even very interesting. But that's not a description you'll ever convince me applies to this video.
>> ^Grimm:
And that's why you don't understand...because Rock and Roll isn't all about the "music". It can be, but it's not limited to that. The punk movement came about in part as a rebellion to how sanitized, over-produced, and corporate rock and roll had become in the 70's. You can't rebel against that kind of music by playing that kind of music...in it's extreme form you have to take it to the other end of the spectrum. Raw, three-chords, angry, attitude, expressive, etc... It spoke to a generation who grew up in the 70's to sanitized corporate rock and disco music.
>> ^Stormsinger:
Frankly, I'm really having a hard time making the word "music" stretch to cover that noise.

So, to rebel against clean, clear sounds, one must refuse to learn how to play one's instrument, and just scream raggedly into a mike. Got it.

Drop the patronization, please. I'm fully aware of the ridiculous claims made to support the godawful talentless crap they called punk. And it's still nothing but noise. Precisely on the level of the three-year-old throwing a tantrum by screaming and kicking the floor.

I'm not saying there is no value in punk...but the value wasn't actually perceptible until -after- it was gone. Some of the bands now called post-punk are moderately interesting...a few are even very interesting. But that's not a description you'll ever convince me applies to this video.

>> ^Grimm:
And that's why you don't understand...because Rock and Roll isn't all about the "music". It can be, but it's not limited to that. The punk movement came about in part as a rebellion to how sanitized, over-produced, and corporate rock and roll had become in the 70's. You can't rebel against that kind of music by playing that kind of music...in it's extreme form you have to take it to the other end of the spectrum. Raw, three-chords, angry, attitude, expressive, etc... It spoke to a generation who grew up in the 70's to sanitized corporate rock and disco music.
>> ^Stormsinger:
Frankly, I'm really having a hard time making the word "music" stretch to cover that noise.

And that's why you don't understand...because Rock and Roll isn't all about the "music". It can be, but it's not limited to that. The punk movement came about in part as a rebellion to how sanitized, over-produced, and corporate rock and roll had become in the 70's. You can't rebel against that kind of music by playing that kind of music...in it's extreme form you have to take it to the other end of the spectrum. Raw, three-chords, angry, attitude, expressive, etc... It spoke to a generation who grew up in the 70's to sanitized corporate rock and disco music.
>> ^Stormsinger:

Frankly, I'm really having a hard time making the word "music" stretch to cover that noise.

>> ^Stormsinger:
I'm still boggled by the idea that these guys actually got paid money for sounding that bad.


People have gotten paid a lot more to sound a lot worse. You think FEAR was wealthy? Think again.

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replacement
http://www.hulu.com/watch/102975/saturday-night-live-what-up-with-that