NBA's Response


NBA Response to New York Times Story on Flagrant Fouls and Charlotte Hornets guard Jeremy Lin
April 15, 2016

After reviewing our extensive officiating database, we have found no data that suggests Jeremy Lin is disadvantaged by our officiating staff. NBA referees use a set of criteria (available here) provided by the league office in determining whether a foul should be called flagrant. Following the game, contact that is deemed flagrant by referees and other hard contact (whether called or not) is reviewed by NBA Basketball Operations. As part of that review, Basketball Operations uses that same set of criteria, multiple video angles and enhancements, and its comparable database to calibrate its judgment. When deemed appropriate, a foul can be upgraded or downgraded and applicable penalties can be assessed. While some of the plays in the video involved hard contact, none was subsequently deemed a Flagrant Foul given the full circumstances, angles and comparables from past games.

With respect to the data, over the last three seasons, Mr. Lin ranked 21st among all players in number of drives to the basket with 1,537. While he has not drawn a flagrant foul in that time, neither have other guards known for their driving ability like Reggie Jackson (2,031 drives), Tony Parker (1,974), Tyreke Evans (1,969), Ty Lawson (1,891), Kyrie Irving (1,649) or Victor Oladipo (1,544). Conversely, Mr. Lin has drawn more common fouls on those drives than any of those previously listed players and has drawn fouls at the seventh-highest rate among the 23 players with more than 1,500 drives.

Furthermore, given the infrequency of flagrant fouls (roughly 1 per every 500 foul calls), it is not statistically significant that none of Mr. Lin’s 814 fouls drawn were deemed flagrant.

http://usatodayhss.com/2015/assistant-coach-john-jay-marble-falls-targeting-referee

The first time it was done which they refereed to.

Is the referee's job to look like he is trying to break people up but to actually count blows landed/thrown?

For me gym class (or PE as we called it!) wasn't about teaching anything, it was about humiliating me into feeling incapable of even trying to take part. If you weren't already good at sports, the teachers couldn't give a shit about you, happy to leave less-able students to flounder while paying all attention to the boys who could play well already. I was not taught how to play cricket, or football, or tennis, or hockey, or how to use exercise equipment; no ball skills or batting technique; it was assumed people knew how to play already and no instruction was given. The teacher's role was to be referee. Fucking hated it, and it's ruined sports/keep-fit for me for life.

Nailed it dude!

The only angle I feel hasn't really come up so far is the idea that private enterprise and public governance could easily be regarded as two manifestations of the same "real" social dynamic: Establishment/challenger (or master/slave if you want to get fully Hegelian about it)

Like, why do we even develop governmental systems in the 1st place?

I have yet to conceive a better answer than: "to curb the destructive excesses of private wealth/power."

Why would we champion personal freedom? I would say: "to curb the destructive excesses of public wealth/power".

Or something to that effect at the very least. The idea of a society with either absolute personal, or absolute collective sovereignty seems hellish to me. And probably unworkable to boot!

There seems to me a tendency in the history of societies for these two types of power to dance either side of equilibrium as the real power struggle unfolds i.e. between reigning establishment and challenger power groups/paradigms.

Right now the establishment is both economic and governmental. The corruption is mutually supporting. Corporations buy and control governments, governments facilitate corporations ruling the market and continuing to be able to buy them.

The circle jerk @blankfist IMHO is between government and private dynasty and moreover I strongly believe that in a vacuum, one will always create the other.

Pure collectivism will naturally breed an individualist challenger and visa versa.

People are at their best I think when balancing self interest and altruism. Too much of either tends to hurt others around you and diminish ones capacity to grow and adapt. (being nice is no good if you lack the will and capacity to get shit done)

It seems natural that the ideal way of organising society would always balance collective state power, with private personal power.

Libertarianism (even the superior non anarchist version) defangs the state too much IMHO. Some collectivist projects such as education, scientific research and exploration I think tend to be better served by public direction. But more importantly I expect the state to referee the market, just as I expect public transparency to referee the state.

Total crowbar separation between the three: public officials cannot legally own or control private wealth and cannot live above standard of their poorest citizens. Private citizens cannot inherit wealth legally, only earn and create it. The state cannot legally hold any secret or perform any function of government outside public view unless it is to prepare sensitive legal proceedings (which must then be disclosed in full when actioned).

In the age of global communications this kind of transparency may for the first time be a workable solution (it's already near impossible to keep a lid on most political scandals and this is very early days). There is also the possibility of a steadily de-monetised market as crowdfunding and crowdsourcing production models start to become more advanced and practical than traditional market dynamics. e.g. kickstarter style collective investment in place of classical entrepreneurial investment.

The benefits and dangers of both capitalism and socialism here would be trending towards diffusion amongst the populace.

And then there's the whole Meritocracy vs Democracy thing, but that's really getting into another topic and I've probably already gone on too long now.

Much love

I actually like it, I understand a lot of people think it's pointless but I actually have a great use for it. I'm a soccer referee, and I imagine an app being made where I could say into the watch "Blue 24 Yellow card" and it recording it for me. It'll let me know when the half is up, it'll record scores for me. All while tracking my running and fitness levels (heartrate) during the game which already a lot of referees do.

So I'd use it for that, and I'm totally going to get one.

They keep saying the referee didn't see it. How do they know that immediately? I mean sometimes the referee could see something but the player could own up to it before the referee has a chance to say something. I think at least some of these were the player admitting and the referee agreeing because they were just about to call it.

Not like snooker refs have a whistle.

Women in Japan have apps on their phone that they turn on and show to the person who is groping them. It tells them to please stop and what you are doing is wrong. Groping on the trains in Japan is a big big problem apparently, and the culture is one where you should never speak up or draw attention to yourself. Lots of people commit suicide on the train tracks too.

I don't have anything to add really because I'm not the largest guy but I look like someone you maybe don't want to fuck with. I have been in situations where I felt threatened by a group of people but that comes with being a referee. I always ALWAYS have the ability to just leave, and one day I probably will. Especially if people keep killing referees.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-accused-of-murder-in-michigan-referee-death-due-in-court/

Other than that I have nothing to add to this particular subject. I have never felt threatened anywhere but my job. I would not like to know how that feels.

@bareboards2 crushed it.

That was beautiful. As a referee I am that mean when I card people, and I always have multiple red cards one me.

One question though, who the fuck is Ronaldon?

Referee Soccer, you'll see adults have tantrums while watching or coaching kids or while playing. Some people will just never grow up and their ultimate goal is to make everyone elses lives suck.

Great. I tried Crossfit and I thought it was actually quite cool for a bit. However I had specific goals and Crossfits main problem is its unwillingness to adapt.

Here's the idea, you go in and you're given a notebook to track your progress (at the place I went to at least). You tell them your goals and write them down, then you record the workouts you do and the time you do them in ect.

Time: They time how fast you can go through various workouts which seems fine. Until you are doing things badly because you are trying to speed through them, and there's not a lot of reason to try and be FASTER every time. It makes sense to me to limit a workout to say 20 mins, it does not to try and beat your time of doing the same workout by 30 seconds or so. It just leads to sloppy reps and injuries.

Goals: Your goals btw don't matter. It's just a bunch of "I wanna be fitter" usually. My goals were very specific though because they had to do with my chosen profession (soccer referee) and the fact that I really don't care how much I can lift or what I look like.

Looks: They try to make this about fitness, it's all about being able to do MORE WORK. Being fit is it's own reward and being an athlete throughout life is what's cool. On this idea they refuse to have mirrors. I remember having mirrors growing up having Tae Kwon Do classes. Why were their mirrors? So you can look at what you are doing and adjust your form accordingly, they're a great took. The same goes for high school in weightlifting. You can look at yourself lift in the mirror and adjust how you are doing it. Instead they have people there correcting your form, often I found doing a bad job of it and in my case even debating with each other how I ,with heavy weights on my shoulders, should be lifting things. Yeah they don't want you admiring your body or something, the principle is stupid because SOME PEOPLE are there just for vanity and they have mirrors at home. I am there so I can do these things right like I know how, a mirror helps me with that.

Crossfit is a good idea, but I would like it to be less like the rigid religion I found and more flexible to what those paying would like. I'm not paying to join a cult, it's a club of fitness and I can do more leg lifts while you're using the kettlebells.

So who's gonna help me start a gym that'll be an answer to those Crossfit gyms. That are a bit less intense and a bit more focussed on making the gym fun and productive on your terms rather than theirs? Kickstart It!

"Rugby player does his best to get a penalty called against the other team. I'm surprised teams and or players aren't penalized for faking it."

I'm surprised the guy wasn't penalized for taking a shot, he took it, it doesn't matter that he missed and the guy faked it. The referee used his personalty in this to tell the guy to get up and get on with it. This looks like a professional game with a professional referee that has been in the league for years. Likely knows all the players by name, and chats with them during the game.

It may not be by the book but at the professional level there's a lot of grey areas, the idea is the game is a spectacle and that's what the audience is paying for. Referees are there to make sure the game is fair, and to produce an event. This referee didn't ruin the game, he kept it going and kept the players honest. I say good for him, players respect him and his decision, and we move on.

And I sit here wishing to GOD that I reffed Rugby instead of Soccer. Because if this happened in soccer, both teams would be surrounding me whining constantly and they would never shut up.

US Soccer does not recommend referees use this tactic for game management. However in unaffiliated games, go nuts!

Also the 3 yt accounts chic refereed to are all approximately the same age as the uploads from those accounts all started about a monthish ago.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB8FgLhkSp1K4vS9mHJNe5g/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtD6m9u7zjwDdoeL_CpIK2g?feature=watch
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOgyXRimXZcgxCdhJgonXcA?feature=watch

But the zero votes on a video is the real killer. I think tellier is a self linker but would like to get @lucky760 opinion before i pull the trigger.