>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^shinyblurry:
Something eternal always was, by definition it didn't "get there". It always was there. Something can't come from nothing. Either there was always something, or there couldn't be anything. This points to an Uncasued Cause..ie, an eternal God. Dawkins theory, which is a ridiculous explanation for the Universe appearing designed, just complicates his position expodentially, because then he has to explain infinite Universes instead of just one. Either way, its an infinite chain of causality without a Creator.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Even dawkins admitted that the Universe appeared to be designed. His explanation? In the God delusion he explains this by saying that perhaps there are infinite Univeses and we just happen to be in the one that appears designed. Pretty powerful stuff. He also doesn't resolve how infinite Universes got there either.

You didn't resolve how God got there either. You just said he was eternal and you were happy to leave it at that. So why call Dawkins out for doing the same thing? And why should I believe you over him?
(Let's no forget to mention the fact that his idea was a suggestion and yours is what you're basing your whole life around.)

(whistles)


OK, I realize now that you're having ten conversations but this is an important concept to try and grasp: there isn't even a word for how much it complicates things when you bring an eternal god to the table. Exponential doesn't even begin to cover it. For you, I think it appears simple, because you're not going to question the existence of your god. But both explanations appear equally absurd to me. The only difference is that one is grounded in science, and the other in superstition.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Something eternal always was, by definition it didn't "get there". It always was there. Something can't come from nothing. Either there was always something, or there couldn't be anything. This points to an Uncasued Cause..ie, an eternal God. Dawkins theory, which is a ridiculous explanation for the Universe appearing designed, just complicates his position expodentially, because then he has to explain infinite Universes instead of just one. Either way, its an infinite chain of causality without a Creator.
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Even dawkins admitted that the Universe appeared to be designed. His explanation? In the God delusion he explains this by saying that perhaps there are infinite Univeses and we just happen to be in the one that appears designed. Pretty powerful stuff. He also doesn't resolve how infinite Universes got there either.

You didn't resolve how God got there either. You just said he was eternal and you were happy to leave it at that. So why call Dawkins out for doing the same thing? And why should I believe you over him?
(Let's no forget to mention the fact that his idea was a suggestion and yours is what you're basing your whole life around.)

(whistles)



OK, I realize now that you're having ten conversations but this is an important concept to try and grasp: there isn't even a word for how much it complicates things when you bring an eternal god to the table. Exponential doesn't even begin to cover it. For you, I think it appears simple, because you're not going to question the existence of your god. But both explanations appear equally absurd to me. The only difference is that one is grounded in science, and the other in superstition.

Something eternal always was, by definition it didn't "get there". It always was there. Something can't come from nothing. Either there was always something, or there couldn't be anything. This points to an Uncasued Cause..ie, an eternal God. Dawkins theory, which is a ridiculous explanation for the Universe appearing designed, just complicates his position expodentially, because then he has to explain infinite Universes instead of just one. Either way, its an infinite chain of causality without a Creator.

>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^Ryjkyj:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Even dawkins admitted that the Universe appeared to be designed. His explanation? In the God delusion he explains this by saying that perhaps there are infinite Univeses and we just happen to be in the one that appears designed. Pretty powerful stuff. He also doesn't resolve how infinite Universes got there either.

You didn't resolve how God got there either. You just said he was eternal and you were happy to leave it at that. So why call Dawkins out for doing the same thing? And why should I believe you over him?
(Let's no forget to mention the fact that his idea was a suggestion and yours is what you're basing your whole life around.)

(whistles)

>> ^Ryjkyj:

>> ^shinyblurry:
Even dawkins admitted that the Universe appeared to be designed. His explanation? In the God delusion he explains this by saying that perhaps there are infinite Univeses and we just happen to be in the one that appears designed. Pretty powerful stuff. He also doesn't resolve how infinite Universes got there either.

You didn't resolve how God got there either. You just said he was eternal and you were happy to leave it at that. So why call Dawkins out for doing the same thing? And why should I believe you over him?
(Let's no forget to mention the fact that his idea was a suggestion and yours is what you're basing your whole life around.)


(whistles)

>> ^shinyblurry:
>> ^packo:
>> ^sme4r:
here's the atheist's Pastor's website:
http://www.howardstorm.com/Howard_Storm.html
There are no atheists in foxholes - meaning that in the face of death most people are all of a sudden spiritual.

Christopher Hitchens is a good example of this...
oh, wait... no he isn't
its good to know I can lead a life full of sin, and will be given the opportunity like everyone else to shout out "Jesus" in fevered dreams and be saved
or wait, maybe not like everyone else, because that would sorta be a cop out
maybe this guy is just special... but i thought everyone was in "His" eyes...
well then maybe he works in mysterious ways, and this guy can't convey to you his experience, like the love Jesus felt for him as he carried him... and thats the proof... see?
no? but he wrote a book
no? but the universe is sooo complex, it needs a designer...
no? but everyone believes when they are in a fox hole

Even dawkins admitted that the Universe appeared to be designed. His explanation? In the God delusion he explains this by saying that perhaps there are infinite Univeses and we just happen to be in the one that appears designed. Pretty powerful stuff. He also doesn't resolve how infinite Universes got there either.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

just curious, are you just picking the parts of the book that back your arguement, or the whole book?

>> ^shinyblurry:
Even dawkins admitted that the Universe appeared to be designed. His explanation? In the God delusion he explains this by saying that perhaps there are infinite Univeses and we just happen to be in the one that appears designed. Pretty powerful stuff. He also doesn't resolve how infinite Universes got there either.


You didn't resolve how God got there either. You just said he was eternal and you were happy to leave it at that. So why call Dawkins out for doing the same thing? And why should I believe you over him?

(Let's no forget to mention the fact that his idea was a suggestion and yours is what you're basing your whole life around.)

>> ^packo:
>> ^sme4r:
here's the atheist's Pastor's website:
http://www.howardstorm.com/Howard_Storm.html
There are no atheists in foxholes - meaning that in the face of death most people are all of a sudden spiritual.

Christopher Hitchens is a good example of this...
oh, wait... no he isn't
its good to know I can lead a life full of sin, and will be given the opportunity like everyone else to shout out "Jesus" in fevered dreams and be saved
or wait, maybe not like everyone else, because that would sorta be a cop out
maybe this guy is just special... but i thought everyone was in "His" eyes...
well then maybe he works in mysterious ways, and this guy can't convey to you his experience, like the love Jesus felt for him as he carried him... and thats the proof... see?
no? but he wrote a book
no? but the universe is sooo complex, it needs a designer...
no? but everyone believes when they are in a fox hole


Even dawkins admitted that the Universe appeared to be designed. His explanation? In the God delusion he explains this by saying that perhaps there are infinite Univeses and we just happen to be in the one that appears designed. Pretty powerful stuff. He also doesn't resolve how infinite Universes got there either.

I almost teared up. Powerful stuff.

Wow, this is powerful stuff, and very insightful.

That is disturbingly powerful stuff. The power to distort reality and create a new one so quickly and wholly - shows how malleable the human mind is. Amazing.

Wow. Powerful stuff.

Powerful stuff...

Has someone struggling to write his first short movie, it's gonna change my perspective and try to add focus to interesting characters...

Powerful stuff. I can kind of see why he was pissed off.

Powerful Stuff and TRUE! Every bad trait we have was passed down generation to generation by our ancestors, to our parents and then to us - proven fact!

Anyone who's been through couples counselling has come face to face with this. We never see it until it becomes a problem - the trick it recognising it early enough before you pass it on to your kids!

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I have this album, and it's really powerful stuff. Max Roach plays with such authority. And the message is almost shoved down your throat. Almost so much that it would almost not be taken seriously if released today after the irony generation. The climate sure was different in 1960.