"I'd love to see it."

I'd love to see it to, just for the comedy factor of Paul shoving his anti-war stance down the throats of the idiots that make up the Sarah Palin GOP.

But it will never happen. The powers that be who run the GOP and the news media won't allow it. If Paul was smart (which he's not) he'd just run as a lib instead of a fake Republican (RINO!). But he won't. So, your pipe dream of Paul vs Obama will never, ever, ever happen. Instead we'll have the laugh fest that is Romney vs Obama, or Palin vs Obama.

600 square feet of panels is two 6'x5' panels on a rooftop--that isn't very big.

Elementary geometry says you need TWENTY 6'x5' panels to get 600 sq feet. Regardless, the issue is not the surface area per se but the COST to cover that much surface area. Photovolt panels are expensive, highly inefficient, and use toxic elements. They need maintainance, replacing, repair, and have a lifecycle. Same with the VERY expensive batteries you need to buy.

And it doesn't cost $50,000 per household.

Many estimates put the installation of a fully functional solar powered home at well over $50K. 660 sq ft costs $10,853 just for the panels using the cheapest product I could find. Then there is wiring, connectors, inverters, batteries, mounts, control panels, and monitors... The backhills of Alberta may be different, but in the U.S. it is highly illegal to install your own electrical system... You're looking at thousands in licensing, regulatory, and labor. $10K? Not on this planet.

But let's say you're super lucky and manage to get the whole shebang installed for only $25K somehow. That's about $150 a year in savings over 20 years versus fossil, or $13 a month. Is that worth it? Well, no. There's a reason people don't buy 20 years of food at once in order to save a few pennies a day. Same goes here.

Imagine you install your cool new solar system and 5 years later you lose your job. Unless you make up the cost in the sale of your house, you just lost $15K pal. Good luck selling your house when you're charging $15K more than the guy down the street... And get ready to pay ANOTHER $20K to install your new system in your next house... Oh nos! You need to move again in 3 years...? (Sad trombone...)

Solar is OK for heating water. It sucks for general purpose electrical needs. It is a pipe dream, because it can't be done in a way that makes sense because the technology is still too expensive. Yeah - people are 'doing' it... People are also 'doing' hydrogen fuel cells for cars but 99.99% of the population can't afford the $100,000 price tag.

Why do you have such a blind allegiance to the republican ideals?

I'm not a Republican, so I'm not even sure what you mean by this. This has nothing to do with politics. This is about common sense and what is actually possible with real-world physics and economics. I realize such things are problematic obstacles to people who are blinded by political blinders - but they still matter on planet Earth.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:


The average household uses 1,000kWh a month. This would require 666 sq ft of solar paneling. There were 105 million households in the US in 2000. This means to supply only the residential needs of the U.S. we would need 70 BILLION square feet of solar paneling every 20 years. Those facile with math will note this is 2,590 square miles...

...Or 1/2 the rooftops of New York, L.A. and Los Vegas.

600 square feet of panels is two 6'x5' panels on a rooftop--that isn't very big. I have some friends that are _completely off the grid_ using this much solar a small windmill. Land space is an invalid argument against solar power.

And it doesn't cost $50,000 per household. My friends, who have no bills for electricity or heating, had their system (including the windmill and battery storage system) installed for just over $10,000 (CDN.) To run powerlines to their house would have cost $15,000, and they would have still had to pay the electric company monthly fees for lights. Yes it was a small loan, but in 5 years that will be paid off, and there will be no more bills, save a little engine oil for the windmill. Whoever is quoting you numbers like $50k per home is misleading you.

It isn't a pipe dream. People are doing it.

He's always trying to keep republicans happy even though they hate him.

Bush had to keep Democrats happy even though they hated him too. There is a word for a politician who does whatever he wants over the objections of everyone else. Dictator.

As far as Stewart is concerned? M'eh - nice to see him finally taking a few shots, but he's late to the party. Plus he isn't alarmed at Obama's radicalism or incompetence. No. Like many leftists, Stewart is more upset over 'hypocrisy'. He isn't mad that Obama has death camps or violates the law. He's mad that he's a hypocrite about it. Nice to see Stewart catching up to my analysis, even if it takes him 20 months.

Obama doesn't care about America, or its people. He's a leftist radical from academia who is trying to actualize all the bullcrap theories he and his other college buddies argued about between bong hits. His reaction to the oil spill is a great example. He doesn't care about the oil, or the environment, or business, or people. He just sees this as an excuse to cram Cap & Trade down everyone's throat and so realize another leftist academic pipe-dream (alternative energy).

You can see it every time he opens his flapping yap. He can't stand it when people disagree with him. He doesn't like trying to GOVERN and actually make things work or help people. All he wants to do is hold seminars, give speeches, and run workshops like a good little Alinskyite. He's a small, petty, incompetent, lightweight dilettante. He's out of his league and he knows it. Too bad Stewart - unlike myself - didn't realize this 20 months ago.

The manufacture of solar panels requires the use of toxic elements such as cadmium, lead, mercury, et al... The productive lifespan of a solar cell is 20 to 25 years. Over a 20 year time frame, 1 square foot of solar panelling will generate about 360kWh of electricity.

The average household uses 1,000kWh a month. This would require 666 sq ft of solar paneling. There were 105 million households in the US in 2000. This means to supply only the residential needs of the U.S. we would need 70 BILLION square feet of solar paneling every 20 years. Those facile with math will note this is 2,590 square miles – enough to cover the entire state of Rhode Island. Twice. This doesn’t include the batteries and inverters each system will require… It also doesn't account for each household taking on the potential additional electrical load of charging up an EV every day...

The cost? $50,000 per household. Given average household utility costs, it will take the full 20 year lifespan of the system for the investment to accomplished nothing more than to have paid for its own 'cost' in household utility savings. And at that time you'll have to buy it all over again...

Solar power is currently a pipe dream. We do not have the technology either in solar cells or batteries to make it efficient or cost effective. Even the kindest estimate puts viable solar power for residential use a full 30 years down the road. Now is not the time. Fossil and Nuclear for the win.

It's the way revolts work, NR. They're inherently violent. I'd prefer a peaceful evolution to a freer, voluntary society, but that may just be a pipe dream. Maybe civil disobedience isn't enough?

I think it's great a many of the nation has such ire and contempt for the Federal government. If we can educate them how unconstitutional our government has been for the past century, I think they'd be less inclined to ride that Republican elephant any longer.

^It's a pipe dream that will never happen, and they'd probably find a way to use it to their advantage anyway. I say we nuke BP from orbit. Only way to be sure.

Seriously though, just planting this seed in the public consciousness would be enough to make me happy.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^acidSpine:
long. Wow it's like the only difference between Hezbollah and America is they take care of their veterans

They are even in large part foreigners to Lebanon like the Americans, being founded pre-dominantly by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and still receiving most of their support through Iran and Syria.
Also, let's not forget the racism. From Hezbollah's own description of itself:
Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is
aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the
expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when
this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace
agreements, whether separate or consolidated.
We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as
enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the
legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the
Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan,
Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the
recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.
Now re-read and remember that the 'Zionist entity' is Hezbollah's name for the entire state of Israel, and all that have any desire to see it continue to exist.


First of all, I don't think seperating the Muslim states into countries is a useful exercise when dealing with this sort of issue, since the existing states were divided up by western conquerers in times past, countries are essentialy an artificial, arbitrary construct. Muslim solidarity reigns supreme. The Jews wouldn't even have had the opportuntity to steal palestinian land had not the English occupied it beforehand.

Secondly, I can't see any racism in the quote you provided (didn't click the link cause you never know these days, could land me in guantanamo, ironic since we're talking about recently stolen land ) All it says is that Israel (zionism solidified) has been "aggressive since it's inception", built on stolen land, they want it back and all treaties drawn up by the US are bullshit and Hezbollah won't accept them. Nothing racist there.

Just an honest question here to anyone really. Why were Jews relocated to Palestine folowing WWII? Surely some existing friendly country could have taken them in. Space is clearly not an issue consideing the dimuntitive scale of the region in question. The only answer I can think of off the top of my head is that there was an express desire to reclaim the "holy land" (what God probably calls the COLOSSEUM!!!!) after 2000 odd years away.

Anyway, if it isn't clear, I'm on the Palesininan side of this debate but I feel free from any accusations of bias since I am neither a Muslim, Jew or Zionist Christian. I'm just male, middle class and white like the song but I think I have a solution if you would just hear me out.

Ok, here goes. control of the middle eastern oil fields is removed from corporate ownership and handed over part and parcel of universal arab soveringnty from western backed dictatorships including the Saudi royal family. Part of the profits from the oil will go to compensate Israeli folk for their relocation to Europe, North America, Australia, anywhere really that could accomodate for Isarelies culturaly. The govenment of Israel will liquidise all assets not essential to the re-establishment of Palestine (ie. everything but their tanks and their bombs and their guns and their bombs, whats in your head, in your head, in your head, zombie, zombie, zombie) leaving the infrastructure entact and using the profits as reparations to Palestine for 40+ years of repression. I think it would be fair that America pays Palestine a salary equal to that of the miltary aid given to Israel during their enduring occupation. Think that sounds unfair, check out the debt 3rd world countries are compelled to pay as a price for their autonomy over their former opressors.

Wow, thats about five times bigger than any other post Iv'e made on the internet ever. I hope someone reads it. Pipe dreams naturally but reality blows, suck it down.

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*promote this so everyone knows that afghanistan is just a pipe dream by the oil companies that own washington d.c.

well at least everyone will know that the administration plan counts on the american people being ignorant of the actual situation in afghanistan.

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Sorry, but ^eric is right. *dupeof=http://www.videosift.com/video/Animusic-Pipe-Dreams

This is an updated version of this video. Close enough to be a dupe in my book, but I'll leave that call up to someone else.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
...... Ending the US/Isreal relationship would allow deep military cuts and extricate the US from an unpopular political stance. That's Blumenthal's real issue here. He doesn't care jack whether Palestinians & Isrealis hate each other. His real target is US foreign policy. ..........


And for that, I applaud him. Cutting wasteful spending and avoiding harmful foreign entanglements. I wish so-called conservatives and libertarians had the same goals in mind, rather than feeding an apocalyptic pipe dream in the 'holy lands'.

Zombi- Appocalypse is more of a pipe dream.
Man's need for a real-time, real-life shoot'em up video game that doesn't fight back....