If only Pierce put this investigative effort into real stories, we might have a better world.

@hpqp

I didn't mean consent in the sense that this was forced on her. I meant consent in the legal sense. That is, society does not consider her competent to do things like read, understand, and sign contracts. Or at least such a signature is not considered "informed consent." Nor is she considered competent to independently pursue other avenues of body modification such as tattoos, or piercings. Clearly those laws exist not to protect her from other people, but rather to protect her future self from her present self.

I think I'm just part of the chorus that thinks progress in these areas is laudable, but caution is also warranted. I find it hard to believe e.g. that we have long term data on people having early grs. Somebody needs to be the first, and I'm sure they've been careful to select the best candidates. I've been working on my PhD in psychology. It's not my area, but I'm exposed to the clinical literature. I know how murky case work of any sort can be. Skepticism about radical intervention is always appropriate.

I mean, there are people that really feel they need to cut off their appendages. Should we help them do so, or should we try to change the way they look at their limb? I know this isn't exactly the same thing, but isn't it? I mean, does she really know that someday she won't feel the urge to conceive a kid? Does she really understand what that means?

@VoodooV

"One day"? You definitely didn't watch the report, nor the interview.

Gender isn't just about sexuality btw, and gender identification happens a lot earlier than puberty. When did you know you were a boy (or girl)? Only at puberty?

As for if it should be covered by state healthcare insurance: of course it should (I wouldn't be surprised if it already was in the case of Kim).

edit: who should be doing the "decision making" about someone's body, that person or that person's parents? You talk as if it were a whim to get grs, and the parents got it for their kid like they would an ear-piercing.

Manufacturers Warnings
- Do not camp at the beach, tent attracts crabs.
- Do not pierce tent flaps.
- Keep sand out of cracks.
- Backdoor entrance to be used in emergencies only.

Got you beat:
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>> ^DerHasisttot:

>> ^gwiz665:
@DerHasisttot's penis you say? I gotta see this!

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>> ^DerHasisttot:
?? http://videosift.com/video/Penis-Piercings-apparently-hurt ??
Also, your line "our favorite sifter," it means nothing: http://happy.videosift.com/talk/Here-here-there-there
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I can explain that Der...um, baby, well... *Runs away!

?? http://videosift.com/video/Penis-Piercings-apparently-hurt ??

Also, your line "our favorite sifter," it means nothing: http://happy.videosift.com/talk/Here-here-there-there

Wait? Why did I kill that video instead of just renaming it? Okay, I really know I am tired now...off to bed--rambling now too.

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Thought of a much better title (So I discarded the old one...) I hope you vote for this one again--I should have done this the first time instead of allowing it to sit forever! Is this cheesy? Sure, but that's why you love me...right?

http://videosift.com/video/DerHasisttot-Has-His-Penis-Pierced

@radx - @notarobot - @MarineGunrock - @RittWitt - @DerHasisttot - @hpqp - @dotdude

Thought of a much better title (So I discarded the old one...) I hope you vote for this one again--I should have done this the first time instead of allowing it to sit forever! Is this cheesy? Sure, but that's why you love me...right?

http://videosift.com/video/DerHasisttot-Has-His-Penis-Pierced

>> ^radx:
"Verdammte Scheisse" -- just your run-of-the-mill curse, nothing fancy.


Yes--for a penis piercing of course...

we should have a *loud warning on some of these videos that are so loud that they will pierce your eardrums if you are listening on a headset set to a normal level.

>> ^Ornthoron:

Even without considering the pros or cons of having a foreskin, I am simply unable to understand how anyone can condone removing a piece of an infant boy's body before he can consent.
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I had mine removed when I was about 6 for medical reasons. Never missed it. However, if it were removed for anything other than valid medical reasons that would be wrong. I can't stand parents who have their young child's ears pierced either. Mutilation is mutilation.

>> ^VoodooV:
Where's the outrage over mutilation due to body piercings? tattoos?

I think tattoos for infants should be banned, as well. That's a good comparison. Pierced ears is a bit of a stretch, though -- less of a modification and it heals on its own.