i fully support fuckin shit up for the lulz. because some parts of me are mostly a 16 year old virgin boy.

but... see link in the description. they gave 17 alternatives to paypal. at least some of them aren't bitcoin.>> ^DerHasisttot:

http://www.little-gamers.com/2011/07/28/a-rainy-day/

what in particular are you talking about when you say "virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything?"?

The hillbilly analogy was used as an example of punishing an individual (the drunk) versus punishing a faceless company like PayPal. By punishing Paypal (taking down their site) you are punishing the people who work there and the investors who own the company. Do they deserve punishment because of the decisions of a few at that company? Shouldn't we hold the leaders or directors responsible instead?

>> ^peggedbea:

>> ^critical_d:
When will we stop romanticizing the vigilante acts of a group of people who aim a LOIC at a website and press go?
I am in no way defending the targets or their actions that caused them to fall under the crosshairs. But PayPal is not a hillbilly with a who drank too much at the bar, got a blowjob from a hooker, and came home to beat the wife cuz dinner wasn't ready. People who don't deserve to be punished are...and that sucks.

romanticizing? or supporting? ...and hopefully never.
the drunk hillbilly analogy makes very little sense.
who exactly is punished? people who couldn't access their paypal accounts for a few hours?? inconvienced maybe, punished? not quite.
or are you talking about the 20 year old kids who are facing $500,000 law suits and 15 years in prison for what is the virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything? beacuse yeah, that does fucking suck.

when will people stop sounding like protofascist drones and reclaim their innate ability to think critically and be free?
what's happening here is so much bigger than bored teenagers fucking shit up for a day. it's a new current in radical movements. there's always been radical activity under the surface of any dominate power structure, and hopefully their always will be. this is the fist time in history it's been so able to truly be a global force. and that my friend, is fucking huge... a few hundred thousand kids, world wide, understand the technology so much better than any corporate/governmental IT division. they're writing the fucking code. this is the kind of movement that i think really has staying power, and it will be impossible for either political party just absorb some of the ideology into their platform to placate it, like they do with all movements that gain any sort of momentum.

>> ^critical_d:

When will we stop romanticizing the vigilante acts of a group of people who aim a LOIC at a website and press go?
I am in no way defending the targets or their actions that caused them to fall under the crosshairs. But PayPal is not a hillbilly with a who drank too much at the bar, got a blowjob from a hooker, and came home to beat the wife cuz dinner wasn't ready. People who don't deserve to be punished are...and that sucks.


romanticizing? or supporting? ...and hopefully never.

the drunk hillbilly analogy makes very little sense.

who exactly is punished? people who couldn't access their paypal accounts for a few hours?? inconvienced maybe, punished? not quite.

or are you talking about the 20 year old kids who are facing $500,000 law suits and 15 years in prison for what is the virtual version of walking into a store and not purchasing anything? beacuse yeah, that does fucking suck.


when will people stop sounding like protofascist drones and reclaim their innate ability to think critically and be free?

what's happening here is so much bigger than bored teenagers fucking shit up for a day. it's a new current in radical movements. there's always been radical activity under the surface of any dominate power structure, and hopefully their always will be. this is the fist time in history it's been so able to truly be a global force. and that my friend, is fucking huge... a few hundred thousand kids, world wide, understand the technology so much better than any corporate/governmental IT division. they're writing the fucking code. this is the kind of movement that i think really has staying power, and it will be impossible for either political party just absorb some of the ideology into their platform to placate it, like they do with all movements that gain any sort of momentum.

When will we stop romanticizing the vigilante acts of a group of people who aim a LOIC at a website and press go? I am in no way defending the targets or their actions that caused them to fall under the crosshairs. But PayPal is not a hillbilly with a who drank too much at the bar, got a blowjob from a hooker, and came home to beat the wife cuz dinner wasn't ready. People who don't deserve to be punished are...and that sucks.

@longde paypal blocks donations to wikileaks, while providing service to groups like the kkk and a norweigian terrorist organizations. it's handed over 1000 names to the fbi for what is basically the virtual equivolient of hundreds of people walking into a store and not buying anything. when a corporation does the bidding of the state department (as it did in the case of wikileaks), it's fascism. and vice versa.

this http://pastebin.com/LAykd1es
>> ^longde:

And what's wrong with Paypal?

And what's wrong with Paypal?

Isn't there some kind of PayPal raise funds thing we can do to get that plate for Dag?

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Mastercard, visa, Paypal - spineless, lickspittle corporate lackeys - all of them *promote

That sounds like you are saying all arbitrary valuation is a Ponzi scheme, which I don't think is exactly right. If people stop buying stocks, it doesn't cause the companies to crash, if people stop investing into bonds, the money doesn't crash either. Investing real money into money causes the money to increase in valuation without a need for continued investors. Any investing can lead to bubbles when fueled by speculation...Bubble != Ponzi. Bubbles to be had here for sure, just like any IPO for a stock. I think you are wise to be cautious, though, this is a pretty crazy new idea. In that, though, no risk, no reward. It would be akin to investing in gold before a major nation switched to the gold standard...chaching. Same here...if everyone starts using that currency, it will be in high demand making it more desirable.

I plan to read about how it creates additional units without causing inflation or not creating enough which causes deflation. I am interested how it maintains all that. It is all very very intriguing.


*edit grammar and spelling

>> ^Stormsinger:

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^Stormsinger:
Sheeesh, talk about your Ponzi schemes...

I am confuzzled by this statement. Is China investing hundreds of billions in US bons any different than this? Buying money is a strange concept for me, but this doesn't look like a ponzi setup at all...as it is used as a tender not an investment that needs more investment. Akin to calling paypal a Ponzi scheme...unless I don't understand you completely.

A Ponzi scheme is one in which investors get returns not from any profit but only by being paid with the buy-ins of the later investors...which means that sooner or later, when there are no new investors, the last wave or six -cannot- be paid, because there is no profit. A scheme such as what Hybrid is discussing has no profit...it's nothing but pure speculation, and thus, has no profits to pay to investors. IOW, it's -all- bubble...and the last "investors" are going to be left holding empty balloons.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

>> ^Stormsinger:
Sheeesh, talk about your Ponzi schemes...

I am confuzzled by this statement. Is China investing hundreds of billions in US bons any different than this? Buying money is a strange concept for me, but this doesn't look like a ponzi setup at all...as it is used as a tender not an investment that needs more investment. Akin to calling paypal a Ponzi scheme...unless I don't understand you completely.


A Ponzi scheme is one in which investors get returns not from any profit but only by being paid with the buy-ins of the later investors...which means that sooner or later, when there are no new investors, the last wave or six -cannot- be paid, because there is no profit. A scheme such as what Hybrid is discussing has no profit...it's nothing but pure speculation, and thus, has no profits to pay to investors. IOW, it's -all- bubble...and the last "investors" are going to be left holding empty balloons.

>> ^Stormsinger:

Sheeesh, talk about your Ponzi schemes...


I am confuzzled by this statement. Is China investing hundreds of billions in US bons any different than this? Buying money is a strange concept for me, but this doesn't look like a ponzi setup at all...as it is used as a tender not an investment that needs more investment. Akin to calling paypal a Ponzi scheme...unless I don't understand you completely.

I'm inventing my own currency too. It's called the SuperSuperPennyCoin™. To the naked eye, it looks like a regular penny, but in reality it's worth the value of a gold bar. I am currently selling SuperSuperPennyCoins™ for $19.99 a pop ($2000 value). If you want to get in on the ground floor, just paypal me ($19.99 per SuperSuperPennyCoin™).

[Disclaimer: SuperSuperPennyCoin™s are only of value to other SuperSuperPennyCoin™ users]

Stealing is the absence of an action, which is why it is a valid human right. I'm not stealing anything from you (of my own free will) so what other action do you wish me to perform? Healthcare, or food or water for that matter, is not the absence of an action but rather material goods. If you wish to claim such things are a right (a noble goal) then you would have to ensure that you can provide those things to the 7 billion inhabitants of this planet. I wish someone could do such things but it's clearly not possible -- hence why material goods or services can never be a "human right."

In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
You really should try to walk through why you think this is somehow a trap for people who think healthcare is a right.

I feel like I've been stolen from because my government taxes me. Send me a trillion dollars to raise an army to overthrow them.

Don't bother with the Paypal, I won't accept your fraudulent fiat currency. Gold bars are the only form of payment I'll accept.

C'mon, cough it up, this is a matter of human rights, and you have an obligation to me that extends beyond any form of government practical ideas about how to best guarantee those rights.


In reply to this comment by imstellar28:
We aren't talking about taxes we are talking about human rights. If it is human right you have an obligation to me that extends beyond any form of government, yes?

So, do you want my PayPal address?
>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^imstellar28:
Also, I'm feeling a little under the weather today. Can you guys go ahead and send $100 my way so I can pick up some medicine at the store?

Yes, as long as what we're really talking about is me paying my taxes, and that gets used to pay for your (and my) medical bills.

You really should try to walk through why you think this is somehow a trap for people who think healthcare is a right.

I feel like I've been stolen from because my government taxes me. Send me a trillion dollars to raise an army to overthrow them.

Don't bother with the Paypal, I won't accept your fraudulent fiat currency. Gold bars are the only form of payment I'll accept.

C'mon, cough it up, this is a matter of human rights, and you have an obligation to me that extends beyond any form of government practical ideas about how to best guarantee those rights.


In reply to this comment by imstellar28:
We aren't talking about taxes we are talking about human rights. If it is human right you have an obligation to me that extends beyond any form of government, yes?

So, do you want my PayPal address?
>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^imstellar28:
Also, I'm feeling a little under the weather today. Can you guys go ahead and send $100 my way so I can pick up some medicine at the store?

Yes, as long as what we're really talking about is me paying my taxes, and that gets used to pay for your (and my) medical bills.