Would you consider taking Bitcoin? I'd be happy to pitch in, but I prefer to avoid using VISA, Mastercard, Paypal and co, who haven't exactly been standing up for free speech lately.

At bottom of every video page?
Paypal: Promote Video $1/hr
[ $100 ] <submit>

Ah, I understand the confusion.

When we launched VS v5.0 we changed the charter structure (to what you now see on the support page, $69 for 365 days).

When you signed up we were on our original structure of $50 for 170 days (or similar; I don't recall the exact length).

If you'd like, you can cancel the latest $50 charge and start a new $69/1 year chartership. Or if you'd like to discuss it further, please reach out to @dag who handles all the PayPal stuff.

Thanks for supporting the Sift!

@dag Do regular Charter subscribers need to redo the PayPal set up?

Also, where's The Lounge, now?

Rats! I fell in to your trap!

Feel free to vote for them now. There's no rule that says you can't upvote your own video!

In reply to this comment by youdiejoe:
Just as I planned ... MUHAAAAAHAHAHAHAA! Thanks!

In reply to this comment by brycewi19:
Felt like your Drunk Jeff Goldblum's vids needed some Sift attention! Hope that's all right with you!

http://videosift.com/video/Drunk-Jeff-Goldblum-does-a-PayPal-Ad
http://videosift.com/video/Drunk-Jeff-Goldblum-does-another-Paypal-Ad

Just as I planned ... MUHAAAAAHAHAHAHAA! Thanks!

In reply to this comment by brycewi19:
Felt like your Drunk Jeff Goldblum's vids needed some Sift attention! Hope that's all right with you!

http://videosift.com/video/Drunk-Jeff-Goldblum-does-a-PayPal-Ad
http://videosift.com/video/Drunk-Jeff-Goldblum-does-another-Paypal-Ad

Felt like your Drunk Jeff Goldblum's vids needed some Sift attention! Hope that's all right with you!

http://videosift.com/video/Drunk-Jeff-Goldblum-does-a-PayPal-Ad
http://videosift.com/video/Drunk-Jeff-Goldblum-does-another-Paypal-Ad

If you don't believe money exists, then you should have no problem giving me all of your money. I will give you 1000 angels and an invisible unicorn in return. Deal of a lifetime. PM me for my paypal address.

(In all seriousness, you should read up on economics. It sounds like Ron Paul has warped your understanding of economics.) >> ^vaire2ube:

im not watching because as i understand it, the debt only exists if you believe money really exists, and i dont think money as we are told exists really exists... they can put you in debtors prison but cant get blood from a stone... and as i understand it, the fiat currency we accept is totally unbacked by anything other than faith... and thats only good for making "bubbles"
yea i still pay my bills my cabin in the woods isnt built yet, whats your plan!

I think Anna and Cenk have sand in their vaginas. How would it be any different from Paypal or Google Checkout? You do know google has a checkout right? Facebook wants that action too.

i hear ya buddah>> ^BoneRemake:

Makes ya feel spiffy, like someone buying you a beer at the barbeque.
I can not support the site because I wont deal with Paypal.

Makes ya feel spiffy, like someone buying you a beer at the barbeque.

I can not support the site because I wont deal with Paypal.

Another way to avoid this kind of thing, at least now, is to not accept Paypal or other reversible means of payment. From what I hear from merchants, Paypal tends to be pretty inflexible in disputes, almost always siding with the buyer, whatever actually happened. The ability to reverse payments is a double-edged sword - On the other hand, it gives the buyer a lot of confidence, but on the other, the seller is exposed to a lot of risk if they're selling something they can't take back. In some markets, scammers are quite active.

I may have picked this up wrong but I think HIS company was only dealing with the money side of things. So, though he was working with the people breaking the rules he wasn't the one breaking them. That said, due diligence would have discovered that THEY were breaking the rules. BUT if I were him I would have been cool with that cos, you know, Nietzsche et al. (joke). So if this was the case an he didn't have a moral objection then I agree that his mistake was the personally owning the account and not the participation in the first place.

And you should ALWAYS start sentences with conjunctions and CAPS LOCK something.>> ^MilkmanDan:

He talks as though his key mistake was personal ownership of the paypal account, but I think that really just focused the fallout on him rather than across multiple business entities. His key mistake was breaking the TOS/EULAs of the accounts that he was (re)selling, and rolling the dice that Blizzard would never catch on.
They did catch on. Personally, I think it is very difficult to prevent this sort of thing and that your best bet is to either just live with it, or change in-game things to make the motivation for it less enticing. Star Wars Galaxies had accounts for early jedi unlockers (being able to play as a jedi was originally a very rare thing) sell for multiple thousands of dollars also. Since jedi as a class was so attractive and so rare, you'd have to expect that such account sales would happen -- that is just bad design, assuming that you want to prevent such activities.
Still, it is hard to fault him too much since this was relatively uncharted territory. And, it makes for quite an interesting story!

I think his ownership of the paypal account was another key mistake. He should have his companies structured so that if one business goes down, his personal assets or his other businesses aren't threatened.

Looking at the other video about him losing $500k in a Limo business, he seems to make alot of really painful but rudimentary mistakes. It's disappointing because I was expecting him to have made the losses on some unique or unforeseen circumstance, not due to lack of basic hygiene.

$1000 in business night courses or a library card could have saved him nearly a million dollars of grief.

Edit: or $2000 for a basic consultation from a business lawyer and a CPA.

>> ^MilkmanDan:

He talks as though his key mistake was personal ownership of the paypal account, but I think that really just focused the fallout on him rather than across multiple business entities. His key mistake was breaking the TOS/EULAs of the accounts that he was (re)selling, and rolling the dice that Blizzard would never catch on.
They did catch on. Personally, I think it is very difficult to prevent this sort of thing and that your best bet is to either just live with it, or change in-game things to make the motivation for it less enticing. Star Wars Galaxies had accounts for early jedi unlockers (being able to play as a jedi was originally a very rare thing) sell for multiple thousands of dollars also. Since jedi as a class was so attractive and so rare, you'd have to expect that such account sales would happen -- that is just bad design, assuming that you want to prevent such activities.
Still, it is hard to fault him too much since this was relatively uncharted territory. And, it makes for quite an interesting story!


I'm certainly not saying the guy is blameless, but his business existed because there was a need to be serviced. Buy an account, or gold, or use wowglider etc, the end user is risking their account. The whole industry is a grey market and the first rule is buyer beware.

I have no sympathy for people who pay for accounts and get them banned. They know (or should know) what they are getting in to and that they risk loss of the account. I guess it would be hard for a business to write in to it's legal stuff "Your account could be banned at any time due to your or our fault, so suck it and see!"