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The settlers are using ottoman-empire-timed documents to claim ownership of the land the house is built on, it seems. I'm not entirely certain how those documents are valid in court yet.

...and teh Lord spake upon Moses, "throw treats at thy kittehs, and those who use their paws to capture the treat before it touches the ground shall be saved, and dwell forever on the ottoman, and those who ignore them, shall be forevermore known as stupid-widdle-puddy".

those are really good. That showerhead was especially well done. Way to outshine me, nic and it's not like it's the first time you've done it!

edit: that dd pic is insanely good. I don't know how you do it.

Now it's official: http://wildwestshow.videosift.com/talk/RhesusMonk-of-Arabia-steals-Gold100-from-the-Ottomans

bcglorf: "Let's not pretend that for all the atrocities committed by the Jews and Zionists in 1940's Palestine there weren't just as many atrocities perpetrated against them by Arab Palestinians. It was a mess both then and now."

Qualm:Even hard-core Israeli apologists like Benny Morris don't believe that. It is no mild understatement to say this is not historically accurate.
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bcglorf: "Your insistence that it was just a series of murderous rampages initiated by Zionists against friendly Arab Palestinians is what's been exposed here."

Qualm:I never make that claim.


Okay, I don't see a whole lot of room in between the above statements for ambiguity. I've openly stated, more than once, that Zionists and Israelis have committed numerous atrocities, through the 1940's(and before and since for that matter). Yet when I point out that similarly atrocities where committed against them by Arab Palestinians, you suddenly balk at the notion. Do you or do you not recognize that the violence and atrocities committed in Palestine from 1900-1948(and again onwards for that matter), included a very large proportion of tit for tat and revenge/self defense motivations from BOTH sides.

That's my reading of history, and it seems pretty consistent(and unbiased) with all of human history. The Jews and Zionists were more aggressive/violent/defensive given their treatment in Europe and status as a minority in Palestine. Similarly the Arab Palestinians had been under the yoke of either the Ottomans or the British and were also more aggressive/violent/defensive as a result. Neither of those are any excuse for the atrocities committed, it's just a much stronger motivation for their societies than a simple Zionist campaign to expunge the Arabs and Arabs defending themselves. It's much simpler than the Zionist position of Arabs bent on annihilating all Jews. The truth is in the middle of those, do you reject the whole of this?


Rougy:Your obdurate unwillingness to admit that Israel is at fault for anything is what is really being exposed here.


Really? I repeatedly condemn the atrocities they've committed. Up thread I've repeatedly referenced atrocities committed by them from before 1948 through to the present day as a given. I referenced the most recent invasion up thread saying There's a lot of undeniable evidence the IDF need to be prosecuted for crimes committed in the recent offensive.


You are pro Israel, right or wrong, and that is clear as day.


No, I'm anti-Hamas, there's a very big difference. If you'd like me to condemn all of Israel just out of 'fairness' I won't. That'd be the equivalent of condemning all Palestinians, which is the workings of a racist. I condemn Hamas specifically as a horrific organization that manages to kill more of it's own people than anyone else. An equivalent condemnation would be of Avigdor Lieberman and his Yisrael Beiteinu party as racists and a horrific evil, I'll happily condemn them as strongly as Hamas as they chant 'Death to Arabs' with as much vigor as Hamas chants 'Death to Israel'.

All world giant leaders eventually collapse to give rise to a new leader. It happened to the Sumerians, the ancient Chinese, Egyptians, Romans, Ottomans... the list goes on and on.. it will happen someday. The question is ... when and how.

In all likelihood the USA's demise will come about by it's own actions. Whether through mass financial greed and mismanagement (as we see today), or running itself to bankruptcy trying to police and domineer the planet.

I am not anti-USA. I want it to prosper. I want everyone to reach for the American Dream, however.... I am a realist. The US government doesn't work for the good of the people. They are fallible people with great power. As the saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility. Unfortunately the responsibility factor has been thrown completely to the wind. The turds fly in our faces, the mere citizenry, not theirs.

Mass corporate/financial deregulation, warmongering, a brinksmanship political stance with anyone posing a slight threat to military (nuclear) superiority, and most of all.. pure and simple as greed and hunger for individual power.

We the citizens are in for a heck of a roller-coaster ride. Put your seat belt on and hold onto your hat. When you come out the other side all of your remaining pocket change will have fallen out, your clothes will be ragged, your teeth broken.. and you will be shaking in fear and bewilderment.

I hope I am wrong. I really do.

>> ^Pprt:
Ahahaha, did I just see a Turk accuse another "race" or being bloodthirsty murderers? The Ottomans were, asides from the Huns, probably the cruelest empire in the history of humanity.


That's the best you can come up with? Recalling the acts of a thousand odd years ago? X D

Ahahaha, did I just see a Turk accuse another "race" or being bloodthirsty murderers? The Ottomans were, asides from the Huns, probably the cruelest empire in the history of humanity.

The way the Ottoman Empire was split was one of the worst mistakes in human history.

>> ^quantumushroom: The American language is English and its unique culture of freedom and commerce allows many disparate groups of people to live as one nation. [...] The American Indians were not "native" to the Americas but crossed the land bridge that used to exist between Russia and Alaska.

Contradictory arguments. Native Americans come by land bridge, and European settlers arrived there by sea, by historical definition that you use to claim Israeli rights to settle, the Americas thus belong solely to the Native American people who were there beforehand.

Furthermore you conveniently ignore the conflicts between Native American Indians and Europeans/Americans who at the time believed in 'Manifest Destiny' of the formation of the United States of America.

Racism and intolerance with a generally misunderstanding of the plight of American Indians still exists today both in Canada and the US. But no one really cares about Native American Indian issues.

THEIR land 5000 years ago.

Your claim of Israeli ownership is false with a through reading of history which shows the land being occupied by various ethnic and religious backgrounds.

So Israel could in effect belong to the Ottomans, Persians, Muslims and so on and so on depending on how far in history ones goes. You also omit the often mentioned reason for religious Jewish belief in holding Judea and Samaria, the belief of the 'Land of Israel' promised by God to the Jewish people in the old Testament.

Arab nations could easily absorb ALL the "Palestinians" if they wanted to.

By that logic you are basically stipulating that any and all conflict and civilian death is justified if there is avenue for people to be forced to flee, and should be absorbed by neighboring states. Which stems from your belief that Palestinians have no claim to the land when they in fact do, the original agreements, subsequent treaties and UN resolutions always outlined a two state solution something agreed to by Israel and the Jews themselves.

Your hateful attitude towards ALL Arabs and Muslims is documented thoroughly in the Sift. You used to talk how all of Iraq and the Middle East should be turned into a glass parking lot. Your ideas have no firm ground in reality and application in real world situations.

>> ^rougy:
>> ^Raaagh:
I think the increased severity due to increasing commonality of hatred directed at the USA, and the fact that the people who are planning and carrying out the attacks are hardened warriors with dehumanising religious motivations.

What do you think is causing that hatred?


this is an interesting question. i asked a good friend of mine who studies islam and the middle east and has spent alot of time in the region..
"what do they want?"
his answer was about how at one time there was the persian empire, the ottoman empire, the arab world was rich in trade, philosophy, intellect, cultural and a serious world power. now, they live in caves and squalor. his answer was they just dont want to be poor anymore. most of them are illiterate, desperate and highly religious. so.. they cant actually read the qaran, but someone who can comes to the village and tells them what it says. or what his interpretation would be. and basically tells an entire village of otherwise ignorant people that they once were kings and now they live in squalor and they live in squalor because of oppression and the perversion of the western world. the exports of western culture to the middle east are brittany spears and lindsay lohan which is highly offensive in its own right, but especially offensive if youre highly religious and live in poverty. you cant blame anyone for seeing that and thinking we are all pigs. you add what they see of our culture and what they see from our leaders. they see we side with israel and most of us are completely ignorant to the details of the conflict, they see we side with india, another conflict we are ignorant of... they also have an excellent propaganda machine and we give them plenty to hate. but basically they just dont want to be poor anymore, blame the us, and are told the qaran demands jihad and that jihad will restore their people to glory.

also, another aspect that makes these ideas spread like wild fire through islamic cultures is that islam has no religous hierarchy. there is no one authority that says "this is what we think about this" or "no, blowing ourselves up wont solve anything"

And how fucking dare YOU trivialize the atrocities faced by the Jews, the Rawandans, and inflicted upon by the Ottomans, history past, by lumping them up with this cheap exploitation!? You, sir, owe everyone here an apology for your pathetic insinuations!

>> ^wjolson:
yeah i dont think this should make it. if you are showing this as a social commentary rather than entertainment then well.... but even still, to even recognize what these kids did by exploiting peoples sicknesses and misfortunes while displaying an obvious disdain for an entire social class seems frighteningly like something nazis would do to jews for laughs.
the lack of compassion which is required to treat humans as animals is the same lack of compassion that allows ethnic cleansing and genocide to occur. seriously; the nazis, the Rawandan government in 1994, and the ottoman empire used propaganda designed to strip the jews, tutsis and armenians of their humanity, in order to be able to systematically murder them in the millions with the complacency of the rest of the populations.
so at the very least, no upvote from me. in my opinion, i think you should remove this or atleast explain your reason for posting this to avoid fellow sifters thinking less of you.


Terrible!?

First of all, this is fucking hilarious. Second of all, the majority of footage shown here is punkass kids and thugs 'fighting', as opposed to, hobos being exploited. Thirdly, employing words such as "would", "maybe", "possibly", and "perhaps" gain nothing in arguments, lest with fools. Fourth, trying to equivocate this video to Nazi, Rawanda, Ottoman, Mongolian, Roman, American, British, Portuguese, Spanish, Russian, Mayan, Japanese, etc. atrocities, is absurd. Do not employ this tactic in future arguments; unless it's with retards.
My videos speak for themselves and folk here will think what they will. Check my pq. I reckon my peeps be surprised I ain't post this shit more quick-faster mofo. Now, don't get me wrong, I completely understand and appreciate your allergy to this sort of stuff; it merely urges me to post more.