God hates Ontario.

Just like the rest of us.

I didn't know Toronto Dominion bank did much business south of Ontario.

from http://www.agelesslove.com/boards/showthread.php?t=10717

Twas early in the spring when I decide to go,
For to work up in the woods in North Ontario;
And the unemployment office said they'd see me through
To the Little Abitibi with the survey crew.

Chorus:
The blackflies, the little blackflies
Always the blackfly no matter where you go
I'll die with the blackfly a-pickin' on my bones
In North On-tar-eye-o, eye-o, in North On-tar-eye-o!

Now the man Black Toby was the captain of the crew,
And he said "I'm gonna tell you boys what we're gonna do;
The want to build a power dam and we must find a way
For to make the little Ab flow around the other way."

chorus

So we survey to the east and we survey to the west,
And we couldn't make our minds up how to do it best.
Little Ab, Little Ab, what shall I do?
For I'm all but goin' crazy on the survey crew.

chorus

It was blackfly, blackfly, blackfly, everywhere,
A-crawlin' in your whiskers, a- crawlin' in your hair;
A-swimmin' in the soup and a-swimmin' in the tea
Oh the Devil take the blackfly and leave me be.

chorus

Black Toby fell to swearin' cuz the work went slow,
And the state of our morale was a-gettin' mighty low,
And the flies swarmed heavy; it was hard to catch a breath,
As you staggered up and down the trail, talkin' to yourself.

chorus

Now the bull cook's name was Blind River Joe;
If it hadn't been for him, we'd've never pulled through.
For he bound up our bruises and he kidded us for fun,
And he lathered us with bacon grease and balsam gum.

chorus

At last the job was over; Black Toby said "We're through
With the Little Abitibi and the survey crew."
T'was a wonderful experience and this I know,
I'll never go again to North Ontario.

I'm Canadian, and I don't know anyone here (at least around Ontario) who pronounces it "sabotaage."

The only problem with an Ontario sift-up is Ontarians.

>> ^Bruti79:

The woman he was talking about didn't have a life threatening brain tumour. She had one, and the doctors said it wasn't life threatening. She lived in Kingston, and got a second opinion in Toronto, and then again in Windsor, and they all said, it's not life threatening, it can wait and she got scheduled for 5 months down the road.
When it comes to wait times, getting an MRI in Ontario can be long if it's not threatening. That lady got 4 MRIs in one week. She wanted her surgery right away, so she did that of her own will. I'll find the link, but I hate this lady is being propped up as the reason why Canadian health care doesn't work =P


The CBC had a panel of experts look at her MRIs and, knowing the type of tumour (which was non cancerous by the way, "tumour", sounds bad but it's not always a dire situation) they concluded that the worst possible outcome for her waiting the five months is that she MIGHT begin to lose a little of her vision as the tumour pressed up against her optic nerve. But as soon as she received the surgery her vision would return to normal within days.

On the other hand my dad had some heart problems show up in his annual physical, his doctor referred him to a specialist, they installed a heart monitor which he wore for 24 hours. He was out of the hospital with a new pacemaker before his doctor even got the results of the specialist's tests. The system does work, especially for life threatening cases. It's only in cases where delay of treatment does not threaten life or long term disability that the system moves slowly.

The woman he was talking about didn't have a life threatening brain tumour. She had one, and the doctors said it wasn't life threatening. She lived in Kingston, and got a second opinion in Toronto, and then again in Windsor, and they all said, it's not life threatening, it can wait and she got scheduled for 5 months down the road.

When it comes to wait times, getting an MRI in Ontario can be long if it's not threatening. That lady got 4 MRIs in one week. She wanted her surgery right away, so she did that of her own will. I'll find the link, but I hate this lady is being propped up as the reason why Canadian health care doesn't work =P

Note that this debate circle mostly around rights in the public services.

Some events that been push through this debate's strainer since some years now, to name a few:
A young Sikh men brought is Kirpan(tradional knife) to the elementary school. Should he be allowed to do so ?
In name of religion, a Muslim man refused to pass his driver's license test with a woman instructor.
Orthodox Jews required that windows giving view to women exercising be shaded in a community gym
Some muslims community are asking to be legally freed from work or study for the Friday noon prayer and be accommodate to do so.
In Ontario some people are legaly charge upon the Charia, should the Quebec allow such thing

Actual "Liberal" government (traditionally on the right) (generally get the early generation immigrant electorate) push the so called "reasonable accommodation" policy in public services kind of by opposition to the France "secular" policy in the public services. Reasonable accomodation advocate the right of expression in public services of religious symbol for main religion. The nationalist party (traditionally on the left)is pandering to the right wing of its party (the openly progressive and pro-union wing have been expelled from the party last week) and it's feeding what i'd called a negative nationalism which go along intolerance and racism on this issue.

This debate is now raging for more than a year here, although I didn't get into it, for the terms of the debate are completely distorted by partisan politics, and intermingled with emotional response arising from the erosion, or the fear of it, of "traditional culture". Consequences of a geopolitical-cultural encirclement and the ever-growing cultural and economic globalization.

So I didn't thought thoroughly about it. As for now, the questions i'm asking myself, is to where you draw the line ? What if my belief says that I should go naked to school ? Which beliefs will have rights and which won't ?

Hope that your distance will enable my fellow sifters to see clearer in this debate and help me by ricochet.

Red

>> ^Sagemind:
As of this morning, the Province has announced a new budget, a cutback on spending, and cancellation of more public programs due to a $1.5 Billion deficit!! Go Olympics!


That sucks. Yay Ontario!

And Jian also speaks French fluently, and I think he did pronounce it in French. The C was just too close to the EEE and sounded like Lewis E K >> ^Drachen_Jager:
>> ^MilkmanDan:
Must not be in Quebec, or they'd have pronounced his name 'Lou-eee' -- which I believe through watching him before and a quick google search he prefers.

It's a national show Dan, done in Ontario I believe. Jian is a musician turned broadcaster (from Moxy Fruvous, quite a cool band back in the day).

>> ^MilkmanDan:
Must not be in Quebec, or they'd have pronounced his name 'Lou-eee' -- which I believe through watching him before and a quick google search he prefers.


It's a national show Dan, done in Ontario I believe. Jian is a musician turned broadcaster (from Moxy Fruvous, quite a cool band back in the day).

>> ^arvana:
I can't believe nobody has mentioned Homo Milk yet -- that is far more WTF to me than bag milk. And yes, there is Homo Bag Milk...


I don't know why you'd say that, homo is shorted for homogenized(aka the shit tastes like water). Most places just don't call it that. Personally I'm a 3-4% mf drinker that likes non-homogenized milk, but I grew up on a farm. In Ontario, where we have more cows than people.

What I can buy at my local grocer, 3L containers don't exist either. 1L to 4L jugs. Bags 1-4L, homo/non. Cartons 1-4L, can't buy actual whipping cream so I have to make my own. 0.25-0.5L speciality types for cooking. And I live in a city with a population under 50,000. What I would like to buy at the store is milk in glass containers. Over in Kitchener/Waterloo and a few other places, theres a couple of companies that still do daily milk delivery in glass containers. I have to say, nothing quite like getting it every day in your milk box. And I have one of those too!

>> ^StealthNuck:
I think this an Eastern Canada/Ontario thing. Everywhere else we have mostly cartons.


Yeah, and plastic jugs too!

I think this an Eastern Canada/Ontario thing. Everywhere else we have mostly cartons.

This chick apparently doesn't have a "Snip-It" which is a little bag cutter with a magnet on it. Only noobs cut their milk bags with scissors.

I used to drink way too much milk. Like more than a bag a day, on average. This stopped when I was about 27... I started drinking pop all the time instead. Calorie wise there's not much of a difference.

In Ontario, we have milk in cartons too, up to 2 litres. If you only need a little milk, that's what you buy. The bags are for families.

I think the bags could be friendlier to the environment than a jug by using less plastic. Four thin plastic bags require less plastic than does a sturdy gallon jug. In any case, the friendliest type of milk packaging is cardboard or glass, not plastic.