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Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

bcglorf says...

"welcomed a relatively small number of European Jewish refugees in the 30’s while under British rule"
The Jewish population in Palestine approximately doubled from 84k in 1922 to 175k in 1931, and tensions already started pretty heavily then in 1931. The Arab narrative is pretty emphatic that the invasion start in the 1920s(and unspoken, the resistance and tension internally between Jew and Arab too).


"Then in the 40’s the Jewish minority, America, and England ignored their pleas to minimize immigration, ignored immigration laws, and invited a major invasion, so many European Jews came illegally..."

Come now, don't play dumb, you left out any reason why European Jews might do this outside of 'launching an invasion'. What other motive might 1940's Jewish Europeans have had to ignore immigration laws to migrate out of Europe????


That's where your narrative and mine clash irrevocably. I count the refugee flight from 1940s Europe to be even more desperate than the plight the Palestinians in Gaza face today. I can not accept your POV where upon arriving in Palestine and facing violence and discrimination there too, that it's just plain and simply obvious that the Jewish people's are invaders and bad guys with no right to an existence in the land they fled to.

You know, unless you want to credit Trump's MAGA approach to the southern border as valid cause it's awful similar, save that the Jewish people were facing much more desperate circumstances

newtboy said:

In short-The small population of Arab natives along with a native Jewish minority welcomed a relatively small number of European Jewish refugees in the 30’s while under British rule (but with a date set for their independence by the League of Nations, a date that came and went without ever establishing a Palestinian state). Then in the 40’s the Jewish minority, America, and England ignored their pleas to minimize immigration, ignored immigration laws, and invited a major invasion, so many European Jews came illegally that the Arab natives quickly became the minority, then had all rights stripped by the now well armed invaders that now claimed their land and property…invaders that kept coming by the millions. How is that not an invasion of squatters?
It’s a complete abandonment of the Palestinian Mandate the Brits ruled under, which was allowed internationally after ww1 for the sole purpose of getting Palestine in a position to rule themselves, something the Brits failed to even try then actively sabotaged by supporting the mass immigration of millions of European Jews, and was the biggest possible “fuck off and die” to the Palestinian people that had cooperated fully with the international plan for their independent future that was unceremoniously stripped from them and handed to Israel.
From that point, details don’t matter so much. Invading occupying forces don’t get to whine because the natives won’t just go away and die….at least I’m not listening when they do. Want to stop being attacked, stop murdering innocents and taking land.

I wonder why you think Israel is not so dominant seeing as they already proved repeatedly their military dominance even when their neighbors band together. Not one of the countries you mentioned has an advanced military, they are last gen at best, really two or more generations behind, and have third world resources not trillions to spend. Iraq proved that advanced weapons beat numbers hands down every single time. Unless Iran gets a nuke capable of getting through the highest levels of missile defense on the planet, their “neighbors” (Palestines allies) pose no actual threat to Israel and a pretty minor threat to the expansionist settlers invading Palestine.

I never ignored any rolls of the neighbors supporting, arming, and instigating unrest…but those roles are minuscule compared to the actions of Israel. Nothing recruits for Hamas like the Israeli army. Nothing creates more terrorists than murderous settlers. No other factor has 1% the effect that Israel’s own actions do in creating enemies.
Murderous expansionist settlers should be eliminated with prejudice immediately. They are the biggest factor driving Israel’s murderous regime to murder more innocents.
If Israel acted civilly instead of treating the natives like the Nazis treated them, its neighbors couldn’t easily convince angry teens to pick up guns and shoot Israelis. Give the Palestinians something to lose, or they’ll have nothing to lose, a chip on their shoulder, and a clear enemy responsible for their plight. This is the official recipe for a terrorist.

Blaming the neighbors is like claiming N Carolina is RESPONSIBLE for all shootings in N Y because some guns used are procured there…nonsense. They are complicit, but minimally so. It’s the shooters motives you need to look at, not the store they use. Why are they so ready to sacrifice their lives to just shoot or throw rocks AT Israel (99/100 times hitting nothing)? Because they have nothing to lose but life in an ever shrinking ghetto ruled over by a foreign racist regime that wants them just gone and is more than happy to starve children to death and bomb refugee camps to accomplish that goal.
The neighbors didn’t invade, expel, ghettoize, and gleefully murder the Palestinian people, that was Israel.

Blaming the victims is not an argument that will win many over…and no question the Palestinian people are the TRUE and only victims.

Where are the European countries now…the same ones that facilitated the Jewish invasion should be obligated to enforce the borders, and/or take the Palestinian refugees and free them from the ghetto/prison Israel keeps them in….but none are.

Side note- I keep hearing people who support Palestinians described as anti semitic. It bears noting that European Jews, the VAST majority of Israelis, are NOT Semitic…but all Palestinians are. Being pro-Israel is actually and factually anti-Semitic.

Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

bcglorf says...

Tragically it's all more complicated than anyone can really state, right? I mean, if you had a 30 book(10k pages a book) series solely on the conditions in the region of Palestine between 1930 and today you'd still have so much material to cut, you could limit all 30 books to only 1 sides POV.

The closest I see to shortcutting things, is trying view what is likely to happen in the future, and from that maybe what one might try and do.

The trouble being there's so little one can do. The reality is that Israeli military strength compared to Palestine is completely and entirely one sided, and thus Israel can and will do whatever it wishes to militarily. It's all their choice, period. In fairness to Israel, you have to note that Hamas as stated in their own charter, given that same power would've already cleansed the entirety of Israel and have created their own single state 'final' solution.

It's also not actually about Palestine vs. Israel, which should be obvious given the fact of Israel's military dominance. Israel IS really facing existentially threats of it's own, just not directly from Palestine, and instead from ALL of it's neighbours. That state of constantly requiring Israel to be capable of winning an existential war since it's inception has kept things in a perpetual state of near-war, and more often proxy-war with the Palestiniances as the pawns of alternately Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and others depending which time and region we choose to look at.

Predictively, that gives us that Isreal can not, under any circumstances, accept conditions to exist where any party(in particular Iran as the main backer) views the "Al Aqsa Flood operation" as a success. That means Israel will do whatever they deem necessary to ensure that happens and Iran in particular views that operation as a mistake. Nothing the UN or any of the rest of us say or do can change that.

newtboy said:

A reasoned and relatively factual position. Congratulations, but….
In my and many expert’s opinions the deadly indiscriminate pressure is exactly what pushes desperate and grieving innocent civilian Palestinians into Hamas’s arms. You would create two terrorists for every one caught with the inhumane treatment of the civilian population…and commit a serious war crime in the process.

Israel should abandon all expansionist settlements from the last 30 years and free the Palestinian citizens from the oppressive genocidal apartheid they’ve forced on the population for decades. That would end the conflict tomorrow, instead Israel has telegraphed its intent to take over Gaza militarily and occupy it again…and America stands by their side, but not all Americans.

If America had spent 10% of what we spend supplying Israel with weapons they use on civilians instead on building infrastructure, schools, hospitals, roads in Gaza, the Palestinians would not rightly see us as racist enemies, and might have the resources and inclination to oust Hamas. But we don’t.

Palestine gets no aid. You can’t withhold something that never existed. The reason Hamas gets any support is they do supply Gaza with food and medicine while Israel and America just embargo entire populations because a terrorist group lives in the country. Think if the world did the same, bombing cities flat and starving America because the Boogaloo Boys live in America.

Hamas is not Palestine, they’re the warlord gang that took over from the intentionally weakened Palestinian parliament and the only group supporting Palestinian civilians (while also using them as shields and cannon fodder).

Hamas fucked around, but Israel is making innocent Palestinian civilians “find out”. That’s a serious war crime that should put every Israeli soldier in prison, and get Netanyahu executed.

The most INTENSE Night Ride I've ever done

noims jokingly says...

Yep. My first thought was no brakes, no lights, not a lot of consideration for others.

BSR, surely it's against the sift rules for you to put this here to help drum up business! 🚴‍♂️ 💀 🤑

newtboy said:

Looks fun, but I can’t support all the light running and wrong way weaving through traffic.
Also, if you’re going to ride with no brakes, learn how first. There are multiple ways to stop with no brakes that he didn’t know.

People like them give cyclers a bad rep.

George Floyd, Minneapolis Protests, Ahmaud Arbery,Amy Cooper

newtboy says...

Nonsensical long ago debunked racist propaganda, bob.
They tried that excuse at trial, it failed. It was bullshit then, is still now.
More liars lying.

Only one innocent man here, the one being framed after his murder….Floyd.

You are so gullible. There’s a reason you can only find this on “valuetainment”, a no facts needed far right internet propaganda site that’s steered you wrong multiple times before. You never learn. You’re never embarrassed at how many times this type of insulting lie falls apart. You still think you’re going to get away with it THIS TIME….never works out…your optimism in the face of so much failure is impressive though.. Such nonsense.

bobknight33 said:

Innocent men framed

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Ruh-roe… remember the 30000 emails from Clinton’s server that ended up having nothing untoward in them once they were found?…well 15,000 or more “lost” emails and texts surrounding the fake elector schemes belonging to disgraced former Coffee County election supervisor Misty Hampton are now in the hands of the Fulton County district attorney as they prepare for the trial against Sidney Powell and ken Chesebro beginning this Friday after the FBI uncovered them.
These were listed as “lost” and had been hidden by Trump co-defendant Hampton, and will include her invitations to Powell and other Trump frauds to come steal election data and tamper with voting machines…just in time for Powell’s trial which will essentially be discovery for Trump’s trial…and he’s toast with what’s already been discovered in every trial he faces.
Enjoy. 😂

School Board cuts off parent

newtboy says...

Told you you wouldn’t understand. I put it right in your face, yet you cannot comprehend.
First, the book is likely not a real school book.
Second, it describes bullying, not sex acts.

My take is he’s reading about a bully taunting a gay kid….something that happens daily in most schools beyond 1st grade today.
If you think every 6th grader in America hasn’t heard, even used the exact same insult then you are insane.
Scratch that. No if/then statement required here.
You are insane.
Every 6th grader in America has heard most have used some variation of that insult.
This was likely a high school, not a convent preschool. Grow up, or home school and make more ignorami.
This is in schools already, which is more than enough justification to teach about it.
This is normal prime time broadcast tv conversation, but makes you go nuts.

You didn’t notice the two young kids in the audience…why wasn’t his display completely inappropriate in front of children then? In his and your tiny brains you think it’s perfectly fine to read these things to children if it helps your hate filled anti-freedom movement.

Edit: If you want to protect school children from disgusting indoctrination into groups known for abusing children sexually, start banning any mention of religion from schools and keep MAGA republicans away. No other group is more likely to sexually abuse children than the Christian church besides possibly NAMBLA….but Republican politicians are a close third.

It’s not the dick in mouth part you can’t stand or find offensive, it has nothing to do with the act, it’s the mental image of two men that you can’t stop thinking about that’s getting you amped up. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Homophobes are always angry at themselves for having homosexual thoughts they’re afraid to act on….always.

What a delusional fool you are.

bobknight33 said:

:You wouldn’t understand if I explained."

There is no justification for this to be in schools.

MAGA liars --------- It is in you face and yet you do not see.

A fool you are.

School Board cuts off parent

bobknight33 says...

:You wouldn’t understand if I explained."

There is no justification for this to be in schools.

MAGA liars --------- It is in you face and yet you do not see.

A fool you are.


newtboy said:

You wouldn’t understand if I explained.
Suffice it to say when you MAGA liars speak in school board meetings you lie every single time, usually by bringing in books you were told are being given to children in other districts that you pretend are in yours, but in fact aren’t in any.

Asking “suck any good dicks lately” as an insult in a book is educational, it shows how homophobic conservative bullies act, and may well show how to deal with them in the next paragraph. It is not some homosexual sex act being described, it’s homophobic bullying being described. There’s your lie. You don’t understand, do you?

Remember the stupidity about children being treated as cats with classroom litter boxes? Remember CRT in 1st grade classes? 99.999% of what you scream about never existed, and in most cases it would be better if it did, but your ilk prefers ignorance to knowledge, it makes your irrational hatred much more palatable to yourself when you intentionally don’t know better.

Chicago's "Defund The Migrants”

newtboy says...

Prosecute the governors who are illegally transporting the migrants across state lines, and the drivers. It’s a federal felony Abbot is guilty of a few tens of thousands of times.

SB 1718 provides that the knowing and willful transport of an adult immigrant whom the transporter knows or reasonably should know to be undocumented will constitute a third-degree felony. Five or more separate offenses during a single episode will constitute a second-degree felony.

If you are arrested for illegally transporting an undocumented alien, you could face up to ten (10) years in federal prison…prosecute and end the illicit transportation facilitation.

Fund border control if you want fewer immigrants. Fund immigration courts if you want them to come legally. MAGA refuses to try either, @bobknight33…the Trump fence is a failure….a total waste of over $30 billion that hasn’t slowed immigration by one person. If that $30 billion was put into agents and courts, we could have a secure border today and a functioning immigration system.

Don't Come To NY NY Mayor had enough

newtboy says...

Why aren’t we prosecuting the governor of Texas and the bus drivers for transporting undocumented immigrants across state lines? It’s a federal crime. Every single one is a full year to ten in prison, and he’s sent thousands. WTF Garland, do your job.

SB 1718 provides that the knowing and willful transport of an adult immigrant whom the transporter knows or reasonably should know to be undocumented will constitute a third-degree felony. Five or more separate offenses during a single episode will constitute a second-degree felony.

If you are arrested for illegally transporting an undocumented alien, you could face up to ten (10) years in federal prison…prosecute and end the illicit transportation facilitation.

BTW- @bobknight33…many of these refugees are climate refugees, fleeing areas made nearly unlivable by climate change. Others flee narco terrorism funded by America’s unquenchable thirst for more drugs and our willingness to arm the world.

A sane analysis of an insane situation

newtboy says...

In January 2020, the Donald Trump-led Justice Department formally declared that impeachment inquiries by the House are invalid unless the chamber takes formal votes to authorize them, which has not happened.

The FBI, DOJ, AG, and other government departments are bound by their still valid decision, so won’t be responding to any subpoenas until the full house votes for the inquiry.

This inquiry is going to be the freedom caucus alone in a room with no witnesses or evidence because their inquiry is not valid without a full house vote first. Hopefully the Democrats will put a babysitter in there to watch them so they don’t foment another coup attempt.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/12/trump-doj-assist-biden-impeachment-probe-00115393#:~:text=In%20January%202020%2C%20the%20Donald,formal%20vote
s%20to%20authorize%20them.

Edit: even after caving and trying to start this illegal inquiry, McCarthy is still facing a removal vote from his own party, and has indicated he expects a government shutdown at the end of this month if Social Security and Medicaid aren’t cut drastically or ended completely. More proof Republicans can’t lead and are the worst possible stewards of the economy or nation.

Let's talk about Trump, Georgia, $200,000, and bail....

newtboy says...

Then why is he whining and crying about it so much? 😂
Why is he floating his plan to flee to Russia?
Don’t be a bit surprised to hear he has, pretending to board his plane (maybe using his double) but switching planes on the tarmac to some oligarch’s plane and being in Russian air space before his plane lands. If he goes to the West coast or Alaska, we’ll all know he’s running away. You think he’s joking about running….he’s not.

I think there’s a really good chance that $200000 is a significant percentage of his liquid cash, it could be more than he has personally…he’s been reduced to using political donations for his legal fees, he may in fact be completely flat broke or even underwater….you know he doesn’t own his properties, right? The banks own them.

The $200000k is nothing, it’s the conditions of release that he’s already broken that will put him in jail, possibly tomorrow because he broke the order the day after agreeing to the terms. Don’t be surprised if when he turns himself in for arraignment he’s put directly in jail, or his bail is raised significantly for already making threats against court officers after agreeing not to. His lawyers are already worried about exactly that.

Trump’s biggest problem is two fold 1) prosecutors are going to court to force defendants to get new council not paid for by Trump without massive conflicts of interest, and 2) big surprise once they have lawyers looking out for them instead of Trump they are all suddenly taking the immunity deals and recanting their false testimony Trump’s lawyers coached them to give and instead of “I don’t remember” they are answering questions. This has happened a number of times recently, and will likely happen more now that the codefendents are seeing their cohorts getting off Scott free for telling the truth instead of facing decades in prison for protecting Trump by lying. This is the end, they have him dead to rights on numerous cases now, with video evidence backing up all the statements now being made by his codefendents. Very few are prepared to go to prison for him, and he needs everyone to stay silent to stay out! 91 felony charges and counting, any one of which is a life sentence for the morbidly obese rapist, many of which are state charges no one can pardon. 😂

bobknight33 said:

$200K Is chump change for Trump.

Oliver Anthony - Rich Men North Of Richmond

newtboy says...

What a diverse crowd of middle age white fat Christian people he attracts.
I bet they think taxes should pay for their church events, not feeding the poor.
Look close, I see nothing else in that crowd but dumb overweight drunken white people. This is what you want America to be, it makes you so happy seeing all those beaming angry white faces together without any disgusting minorities dirtying it up, doesn’t it?

No surprise a racist drunk singing about how (too far left) Jebus is good and government/taxes are bad picked up by the extreme right at the top (who themselves are all rich men north of Richmond) and fed to you as an anthem gets lots of views. It doesn’t make it good music or a decent message, it’s just more MAGA whining that everything doesn’t go your way….waaah! A good whine attracts MAGA like moths to a flame by the millions.

BTW- BTS got 108 MILLION views in 24 hours since you think 27m views in 11 days is outstanding….for a right wing “artist” it is, for normal pop singers, it’s a fail.

WAAAAAH! 😂

bobknight33 said:

His vid has 27 M views in 11 days - outstanding

Liberal Redneck - Black Lives Matter

newtboy says...

How stupid are you people, Bob?
He’s mad BLM doesn’t support police? 🤦‍♂️

Black Lives Matter is a movement in response to police (including black police) acting like black lives don’t matter for most of the country’s history and blatantly murdering them in the streets in full public view or in their homes with no worry they might be punished.

But you want to pretend you think it’s a scam because it doesn’t support black police despite them being part of the problem, or because they haven’t tried to solve every single issue faced by “black America”.

They are a one issue organization, and they have made serious, unprecedented improvements on police accountability, but still have miles to go.

Odd you pick on BLM for anything you think you can…silliness like accusing them of not lifting all black Americans out of poverty with their donations…but when the Trumps take millions in donations, stealing directly from needy veterans, and hundreds of millions in political donations from donors and spend it on themselves that’s a nothingburger…and you still tell yourself it’s not because you’re racist, you aren’t racist, there must be some other difference….I got it, BLM isn’t grifting and stealing enough and it upsets you. Right? 😂

Let's talk about the Trump Georgia indictment contents....

newtboy says...

😂
Hilarious YOU are complaining that prosecutors are “gunning full speed to file charges against Trump” because the RAPIST has been complaining vociferously that they slow walked these charges that he claims should have been brought Jan 21 2021 (despite some charges stemming from actions he took in September 21 and later), and says they’re slow walking them to delay until 2024 … ignoring or trying to hide from the fact that 99% of delays came from Trump and his cohorts forcing prosecutors to repeatedly go all the way to the Supreme Court to get their testimony or documents in their efforts to delay trials until after the election. 😂

Republicans dismissed the accusations (not charges) against Clinton after 12 failed investigations found absolutely nothing criminal. Nada, nothing, none, zip, zilch, bumpkis.
Hunter (a private citizen so total 100% red herring) is going to court likely before Trump. His father COULD pardon him and end the nonsensical persecution “by just thinking about it”, but instead a special prosecutor was just empaneled.

Trump the rapist is only running so he can pardon himself from the list of 91 serious felony charges (and growing) he faces today for defrauding and assaulting the American government and people.

What insanity are you believing now?

bobknight33 said:

Odd that the left is gunning full speed to file charges against Trump all the while they slow walk or dismiss charges for Democrats like Hunter and Hillary.

Let's talk about the Trump Georgia indictment contents....

surfingyt says...

91

bewb depends on his sloppiness and lack of nuance to make broad arguments that are laughable on their face.

91 bewb. youre trying to tell us "most" are bogus without going into a single example? i dare you to break down the entire list, coward.

bobknight33 said:

41 counts and most are probably just BS



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