HI! I don't recall addressing anything of this nature to you! But thanks for the personal biography! You may need some work on the writing part, though!>> ^MINK:
>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
>>And have you ever fired a gun; owned anything remotely dangerous to anyone besides yourself? Ever gutted a animal? Wait, no that would require an affirmative to the previous question. Please change the subject again and don't provide any evidence of your own personal survival skills.

HI! I have fired assault rifles and handguns, probably more accurately than you, and oh yeah i can gut a rabbit, the heart and kidneys have high nutritional value.
So does that qualify me to call your behaviour in this thread dickish?
HA! Gun totin' antiwar ex-RAF socialist veggie avengers to the rescue!
Can you fly a plane? because I can, so if you can't then i guess your juvenile debating rules mean you can't answer me back now, so you just have to suck it.


HI! I don't recall addressing any of this to you! But thanks for the personal biography! You may need some work on the writing part, though!

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
>>And have you ever fired a gun; owned anything remotely dangerous to anyone besides yourself? Ever gutted a animal? Wait, no that would require an affirmative to the previous question. Please change the subject again and don't provide any evidence of your own personal survival skills.


HI! I have fired assault rifles and handguns, probably more accurately than you, and oh yeah i can gut a rabbit, the heart and kidneys have high nutritional value.

So does that qualify me to call your behaviour in this thread dickish?

HA! Gun totin' antiwar ex-RAF socialist veggie avengers to the rescue!

Can you fly a plane? because I can, so if you can't then i guess your juvenile debating rules mean you can't answer me back now, so you just have to suck it.

^Its true they do , just not the seeing kind

Also it seems like a lot of the accusations you level against meat production can also be applied to veggie and fruit production.

Like with cows, large tracts of land are cleared (deforested) to make room for production. Many veggies and fruits are genetically modified or breed so they produce larger edible parts, have a longer growing period, and are more resistant to certain diseases. In order to ensure a healthy crop they're sprayed with pesticides, fertilizer, and in some cases herbicides (to de-weed framing plots), all of which have extremely aversive effects on the environment. Further more like various livestock fruits and veggies are breed and cultivated with production, shipment, and profit in mind, not the nutritional value or taste.

I have had the advantage of having grown up with parents who planted their own garden annually, so i am both privileged and cursed to know the difference between home grown tomatoes, broccoli, potatoes, cantaloupe, oranges etc etc over the crap I find in the grocery store. Like meat products fruits and veggies sold commercially are lacking in both flavor and nutritional value of the fresh 'home' variety.

As far as getting sick, over the years there have been a large number of recalls and warnings about various fruits and veggies being contaminated by salmonella, or some other horrible bacterial agent. There's one going on right now over jalapenos, it was tomatoes until those were cleared.

Its how the industry is run, meat or veggie. I don't mind if people are vegans or not, the choices you make are yours to make, but before you go claiming moral high ground you better start checking the back side of your own britches for a few 'stains'.

I'd like to see both industries undergo some major reform, even if it does end up making the cost of food go up. As it is there are many food items meat and veggie, I don't buy because the quality is crap at best. Unfortunately I'm stuck having to compromise my sense of taste for quality, because there isn't much of a fresh foods market where I live, and I don't have the capacity to grow/raise my own.

Unfortunately a lot of foods marketed as "low calorie" or "low fat" have no nutritional value and cause people's muscles to atrophy, slowing their metabolism, making them fatter. Nutrient-sparse high-glycemic-index carbs are the worst thing to eat if you are trying to lose weight, yet lots of them are marketed that way. I recommend milk and boca burgers. My weight has stayed at 138±5 lbs from age 17 to age 23.

People can become deficient in fat. Getting some kinds of fat from food is absolutely essential.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
"I like to refer to bacon as 'fried salt and fat'"
I like to refer to bacon as 'food of the gods'. It's what they eat on Mount Olympus. Bacon and ambrosia all day, every day.


So that's why the gods are dead!

I can really recommend buying a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_machine
Saves money and gets you better bread..

In reply to this comment by MysticBlueRose:
To Eklek: who has time to bake their own bread?