I don't believe this was ever about taking Ukraine with the Russian military. I believe this is about destroying Ukraine and squeezing Europe's energy-dependent balls until the EU cracks under the economic pressure caused by the sanctions. This is already happening with Germany whimpering to Daddy Vladdy for all that precious, precious oil and gas. "Oh, we gave Zelensky a billion euros!"; yeah, and you gave Putin 25x that in oil/gas purchases.

The mealy-mouthing and dissembling has already begun, most shamefully from the New York Times, who is calling for Ukraine to make "hard choices". "This isn't capitulation" -- fuck you NYT, yes it is.

I had honest hopes that the western powers would show some spine and resolve, but as soon at their economies started to feel a little pain, the number of fucks given for Ukrainian lives went to zero. Russian is going to rape and murder its way from Odessa to the Belarus border until the western powers figure out some way to make it all Zelensky's fault or force him to cede massive amounts of Ukrainian territory before any real economic pain felt.

The worst part is that Finland and Sweden are going to be granted NATO membership, but Ukraine still is denied. Why are these two the hills NATO is willing to die on and Ukraine not? If NATO isn't willing to risk nuclear war over Ukraine, what happens when the tip of a single Russian boot touches Finnish soil? What happens when Finland then calls for Article 5 and the rest of NATO suddenly realizes shit just got real? What happens when it's time to shit or get off the pot; put up or shut up? Either NATO charges into the teeth of a potential nuclear war, or NATO is shown to be a paper tiger. If someone sees a middle ground, I'm interested in hearing it.

(Incidentally, NATO's Article 5 is pretty porous. A-5 doesn't say every NATO nation commits whatever forces are deemed necessary by the whole to defend against an aggressor. Instead, it says that in the event of A-5 coming into play, each member will take "such action as [the member state] deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."

Notice the whole 'each member' and 'deems necessary'? Yeah, to quote a popular movie 'I don't think this mutual defense pact means what you think it does'.)

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Oh right. The naturally chilled (North Atlantic at 48 degrees Farenheit) feature is quite civilized---must be nice!

Fortunately that's a basking shark, which eats plankton. They're just off the coast of Ireland, so he was probably in more danger from the cold water of the North Atlantic. ;-)

>> ^marbles:

@cheerleaders for Western colonialism and imperialism
This is what you support:
http://videosift.com/video/Make-No-Mistake-NATO-committed-War-Cri
mes-in-Libya
Get ready for the occupation force in Libya, the advance on Syria, and maybe even a confrontation with Iran.
http://videosift.com/video/Military-Sources-Reveal-Ground-For
ce-Invasion-of-Libya
http://videosift.com/video/World-War-III-Defined-Wider-War-
Unfolding-in-Middle-East
This has been planned out for at least 10 years.
Gareth Porter: General Wesley Clark, who commanded the North Atlantic Treaty Organization bombing campaign in the Kosovo war, recalls in his 2003 book Winning Modern Wars being told by a friend in the Pentagon in November 2001 that the list of states that Rumsfeld and deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz wanted to take down included Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan and Somalia.


And meanwhile you lament the loss of monsters like Saddam, Gaddafi and Assad. Well done.

@cheerleaders for Western colonialism and imperialism

This is what you support:

http://videosift.com/video/Make-No-Mistake-NATO-committed-War-Crimes-in-Libya

Get ready for the occupation force in Libya, the advance on Syria, and maybe even a confrontation with Iran.
http://videosift.com/video/Military-Sources-Reveal-Ground-Force-Invasion-of-Libya
http://videosift.com/video/World-War-III-Defined-Wider-War-Unfolding-in-Middle-East

This has been planned out for at least 10 years.
Gareth Porter: General Wesley Clark, who commanded the North Atlantic Treaty Organization bombing campaign in the Kosovo war, recalls in his 2003 book Winning Modern Wars being told by a friend in the Pentagon in November 2001 that the list of states that Rumsfeld and deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz wanted to take down included Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Sudan and Somalia.

America needs to split into two countries. The people who push for this kind of stuff can move into the beautiful and picturesque oceanic area otherwise known as the North Atlantic. The other people can share the remainder of the land amongst themselves. It will be a bit tough on the latter folk, a lot of late night comedy shows would have to be cancelled due to lack of content, but I think overall it would be fair.

The mortality rate in this movie always bugged me. I mean, sure, maybe they were in the north atlantic and everyone else freezed to death, but you can't tell me only a single tiny group of people got out of the hull itself.

[redacted]

proof?
ok..lets use the same anecdotal evidence you used from the very SAME interview.
http://videosift.com/video/60-Minutes-Deepwater-Horizon-s-Blowout-Part-1
part 2.
http://videosift.com/video/60-Minutes-Deepwater-Horizon-s-Blowout-Part-2
notice anything that may ADD to what you posted?
would you like me to post the senate hearings from c-span while those companies involved all try to pass the buck?
would you like me to also post the comparisons of regulations comparing the countries in the north atlantic with the USA?
or the fines over the past ten years levied against haliburton for similar malfeasance?
would you like me to spoon feed this to you?


listen man.
you want to believe this was all just a small random quirky accident that nothing or nobody could have stopped..well,that is your choice.
but dont come to the table with that flimsy flaccid thing you call an argument,because it is small,wimpy and weak.
the next time you want to spout off do a bit of leg work so you dont get tagged in the nose.
you have a right to your opinion but not to your own facts.
and the fact is:BP used political influence to avoid having to keep safety standards by having regulations thrown out the window.the result of this was 11 dead and whole communities and eco-systems wasted.
so you call this a random freak accident.
well..sure.you are correct..
BUT if BP had been forced to be inspected every month and haliburton had to keep strict production values.
FOUR failsafes would have never failed.
at least not all of them at the same time.
and then...using your anecdotal premise...look at how the BP manager dealt with the destroyed rubber.
so you are right about the freakishness of the events but EACH one was due to malfeasance on BP's part.
why?
greed and profit.

It's been mentioned in Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth as well, but with a much bigger implication.
If the Greenland ice sheet melts and pours enough fresh water into the North Atlantic, we'll have far worse consequences than a few meters of higher sea level.

Yes, in terms of CO2 emissions, an electric car (coal powered) beats the crap out of combustion engines. (CO2 is a bullshit problem when you consider what the warming of the north atlantic will do... CO2 absorbtion/out gassing from the atlantic will make car emissions look like your penis sitting on top of Mt. Everest)

In the US, 50% of electricity generation is coal. 20% is nuclear, 15% is natural gas, 6% is petroleum.

Sure, this is how it starts, all cute and hugs and naptime... until those kids are handling the spent fuel rods and dangling beneath ships in the north Atlantic fixing cable, and the robot overlords are all sucking up the solar energy on the beach... you'll see!

>> ^bcglorf:


bcglorf, you have taken time to give my points the same answer that you did in the first place, which is your belief that better batteries are the answer to all the problems related to the coming shortages in oil. I absolutely think that better batteries will help, but I do not believe that they will be the unilateral solution to every facet of those problems.

The differences I have suggested between the engines in small duty personal vehicles and large scale engines are real. You are correct that the principle in all combustion engines is the same but the issue with powering larger engines is the scale of the energy required to move them.

I live in (arguably) one of the most important military ports on the western coast of the North Atlantic. I have seen the engine rooms of several destroyers and other warships and am familiar with with how big these engines really are. No matter how good the batteries get, they still require a power source. A nuclear powered ship is not the same as a battery powered ship. The only things that can move the battleships and aircraft carriers I've seen are diesel fuel and nuclear reactors. And putting a nuclear reactor in every ship more then 100 feet long just isn't practical.

I am also familiar with Tesla motors and think that they're doing great things. But even with their successes there remains the problem of scale. The increase of energy required to move lager and larger masses in not a constant.

I am not going to have time to give you a more fully developed argument right now. I can see by how quickly you responded to my last comment that you probably haven't looked at the references I posted for the the quotes I cited. Check them out. Some may be old news for you, but I expect you'll find them interesting anyway. I'll be back later to find out what you think.

The thing one should really be scared about is that Russia gets drafted as the new common bad guy the Americas has to be protected from (again).

She'd have brought home a lot more points had she actually talked about the global race for the Arctic pole, the new shipment channel which might open up connecting the North Atlantic and Pacific due to global warming and its conflict of ownership, etc.

It's what she's not talking about that makes me want to hide in my cardboard-box because you always have advisers to sort out the other fallout :-P