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If Meat Eaters Acted Like Vegans

ahimsa says...

“Both vegans and non-vegans live in state of disconnect. Non-vegans disconnect from that fact that billions of nonhuman animals are enslaved, tortured, confined and violently murdered for their pleasure, preferences and entertainment. Vegans live in a state of disconnect so that our hearts don’t shatter into a million pieces moment by moment due to the fact that billions of non-humans are being exploited and the people we love continue to participate. Vegans have to disconnect just to be able to get through the day.” -The Thinking Vegan

newtboy (Member Profile)

ahimsa says...

“It is a healthy, natural reaction for someone who witnesses the brutalities inflicted upon nonhuman animals in the agriculture industry for the first time, to ask, "how can we stop this from happening?”. The simple truth is that there remains only one answer, only one way to stop it from happening. We must end the consumption of animal-based products. Until then, nonhuman animals will always be placed in "livestock" conditions, they will always be exploited, they will always be abused and they will always be slaughtered. You cannot teach someone that a life-form has any real value when it is considered acceptable to enslave, kill and eat said being. Whilst humanity views nonhuman animals as resources, mere commodities, they will always be victims of our barbarity. There is no "humane" way to treat a slave and there certainly is no "humane" procedure to take a life.”

nutrtionfacts.org references only peer reviewed research. it is a not-for profit which gives away everything for free and has no goal other that providing accurate information. if anything, the one's who are distorting thetruth and studies are the one's who profit greatly off the suffering and death of non-human animals.

from a 6'5" 300lb pro football player:

“I can honestly say that being vegan is not only the most efficient way to be full-body strong, it’s also the most humane; everyone wins.”

the300poundvegan.com

newtboy said:

So how about rail against factory farms and stop assuming all meat is the same, is mistreated the same, is executed the same, and is full of the same unnatural additives, and stop railing against people who eat meat.
As I've told your cohort, you would do FAR better to try to convince people to eat humanely raised and executed meats than you ever will convincing them to not eat meats, especially when your main methodology is to try to shame them into your position. That rarely works, even if you're a Jewish mother, the queens of guilt.

Nutritionfacts.org does NOT meet the requirements I put forth. It's a private pro-vegan propaganda site, not scientific. Here's what's said about it by scientists...."Greger's promotion of veganism has been criticized for including exaggerated claims of health benefits and for cherry-picking research even though the vegan diet can be a healthy one"

How attached cats are to their owners?

Fausticle says...

Neuroscience research has shown that similar brain regions are involved when we think about the behavior of both humans and of nonhuman entities, suggesting that anthropomorphism may be using similar processes as those used for thinking about other people.

Anthropomorphism carries many important implications. For example, thinking of a nonhuman entity in human ways renders it worthy of moral care and consideration. In addition, anthropomorphized entities become responsible for their own actions — that is, they become deserving of punishment and reward.

yellowc said:

This is pretty funny for a lot of reasons, the biggest being all the people involved are so obviously not cat owners nor have they even bothered to understand cat behaviour.

First of all, the snarky comments at the end of the video, actually, it's not about wanting to believe my cat needs me, I'm very well aware it doesn't need me, that has no correlation to loving me. I appreciate that's just the person writing this script but it puts an underlining tone that cat owners are delusional and sets people up to believe the experiment was a "success", even with the little bite about it not being conclusive.

Not all cats are the same, the beauty of them is precisely their individuality! Breed also plays a very large factor and so does upbringing, not to mention social behaviour of the animal in question. Let's ignore that cats are evolutionarily independent and dogs/babies are not.

Why would a cat care if its owner left momentarily? It is not built to care about such a frivolous event, it takes notes of it (which btw, no other animal was capable of and the narrator incorrectly says the cat is distracted while it distinctly watching the owner leave) and carries on, the situation pans out.

Likewise when the owner comes back, the cat again takes note of this and because it was rather brief, it resumes carrying on its business. This wasn't some "OH MY GOD WHAT DO I DO WITH MY LIFE!??!?!" drastic event. Quite frankly, the cat has the most intelligent behaviour.

The reason it check outs the stranger is because it's an *unknown*, cats don't immediately trust *anything* until they've inspected it. If they had replaced that stranger with a paper bag, the reaction would have been the same. It's not that it is ignoring its owner, it's that it knows its owner is safe. It is inspecting a potential threat.

Cats are simply not basic enough to compare in this experiment and their evolutionary traits are directly opposed to these rather bias tests of affection.

Santorum & College Kids Argue Logic of Gay Marriage

gorillaman says...

>> ^Unaccommodated:
Being against polygamy is not bigoted. Humans pair off, its what we do. But Polyandry (one female - multiple males) doesn't work except in a few places like Nepal and Bhutan, where there is little arable land. But the men are ALWAYS brothers, there is no other way it would work (also its a dying practice). Polygyny (One Male - Multiple females) doesn't work either, because then you get an excess of poor, young, bored undersexed men, who become serious problems. Infact, the Warren Jeffs FLDS cult would evict 'misbehaving' young men because there weren't enough ladies to go around. These kids were given no chance. As far as homosexual groupings of more then two? No one is asking for that, many are quite content pairing off with one other person. There is also no historical or ethnographic evidence for it either. And as far as marrying anything nonhuman, that is wrong simply because the other thing is not sentient (in the way we are) and doesn't know what its agreeing to. I think you may be one of those dangerous people only took ONE Anthropology class, and has otherwise missed the boat.


Diogenes just linked to an article about people who are asking for exactly these things, and making them work. Polyamorous and polygamous relationships are neither very rare nor dysfunctional.

Marriage involving nonhumans seems to be very simply resolved. We discount the consent of the nonsentient partners. If I want to marry my pencil or goldfish I really don't see how it could be any of your business.

Santorum & College Kids Argue Logic of Gay Marriage

Unaccommodated says...

@gorillaman
Being against polygamy is not bigoted. Humans pair off, its what we do. But Polyandry (one female - multiple males) doesn't work except in a few places like Nepal and Bhutan, where there is little arable land. But the men are ALWAYS brothers, there is no other way it would work (also its a dying practice). Polygyny (One Male - Multiple females) doesn't work either, because then you get an excess of poor, young, bored undersexed men, who become serious problems. Infact, the Warren Jeffs FLDS cult would evict 'misbehaving' young men because there weren't enough ladies to go around. These kids were given no chance. As far as homosexual groupings of more then two? No one is asking for that, many are quite content pairing off with one other person. There is also no historical or ethnographic evidence for it either. And as far as marrying anything nonhuman, that is wrong simply because the other thing is not sentient (in the way we are) and doesn't know what its agreeing to. I think you may be one of those dangerous people only took ONE Anthropology class, and has otherwise missed the boat.

Would people like a healthcare channel? (Sift Talk Post)

calvados says...

How about just Health (or Health&Body perhaps, but I think shorter is better). You can make it known in the description that it's also for fitness (or unfitness)-related things, and medical topics as well.

Also perhaps you want to keep it open to nonhuman subjects -- so that, say, a video about some animal's health condition would also be allowed.

Christian "Bashing" Vs. Gay Bashing

imstellar28 says...

what rights do gay people need, that humans don't already have? thats the problem i have with this: don't frame it as a gay rights issue because its not about gay rights its about human rights. frame it that way and suddenly you have drawn an imaginary line between two groups: "gays" and "non-gays" -- and division creates conflict.

gays have the right to marry/have gay sex/do gay things/give gay blowjobs because they are humans, not because they are gay.

frame it in a different context and suddenly a "gay basher" has a whole lot more in common with a gay person. frame it as a human rights issue, and the only way to take away a gay person's rights is to argue that gays are "subhuman" or "nonhuman" ...thats a lot more difficult than arguing that "homosexuality is wrong".

ask not of a gay basher, "should you bash gays?" ask him, "should you bash humans?"

Richard Dawkins BBC Interview

bamdrew says...

Evolution is a fundamental and unifying principle of biology, and modern science is founded in the dogma of the scientific method. Using loaded words like this and branding Dawkins a fundamentalist seems fine at first glance, but sets you arguing that the scientific method of looking and waiting for evidence is something that is inappropriate as a basis for ones spiritual life, and is equal to belief in superstition.

Group Selection (at -19min) is very much coming back into modern evolutionary biology research, making it interesting that Dawkins still brushes it off as if books from 30 years ago settled the matter. Theres some very interesting research into the innateness of belief in a nonhuman higher-power in children of a certain age, for example.

(no upvote, until the quote at -14min... "well tough, your life is worthless! so what?!"... 2nd half of interview = way better than 1st half)

Little Black Sambo (1935) Racial Stereotyping in Animation

bizinichi says...

I learnt about this when i was taking my Cultural Imperialism class. The strong black woman as the maid of white society was drawn up as a typical character to show that black society was inherently backward (in those times) because they had women running the society instead of the men and that there was no hope for civility in such a society that was AS backwards as this...

Then there is the little black kid. This image portrays black people as happy-go-lucky docile people, HAPPY to be in the position they were, grateful that they were under the white man's rule (to justify slavery at the time, in the eyes of the common man). You'll notice the way that the little kid ends up sparring with animals... whats really obvious in this clip is that it is meant to reduce the character of these people down to the level of animals, unable to be civil and demonized by animals themselves, as if deserving of such treatment... ie: not human, in order to justify the treatment as nonhumans... Remnants of this bullshit that I know of: the cartoon Animaniacs

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