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Let's mention all the product placement shall we? (All that I really notice, I'm sure the line of shoes, the skateboards etc. are all placement too)

0:09 : Vaio laptop
0:10 : Sony 3D TV (You know, because 3D is the way of the future... ahem The hats under the tv as well? One still has its tag on)
0:39 : Her perfume
1:30 : Nike shoes?

Is there something with the star on his singlet and the stars in her apartment also?

2:15 : Abbey Dawn, her clothing label I assume
2:26 (and onwards) : Wearing 'her' clothing
3:18 : Sony Ericsson phone


FUCKING HELL. I don't mind product placement as a concept, but as SOON as it becomes obvious and invasive then it's just a horrible, horrible thing. THIS is a demonstration of how utterly sickening it can be.

Disgusting.

Oh, and Avril has always shit me to tears with her fake 'I'm such a rebel, so alternative, so bad' in a really safe, Disney sort of way... urgh

>> ^Asmo:

>> ^Duckman33:
Let's not stick our nose into yet another country's business please.

Lemme see, were those M1 Abram's tanks rolling down the streets of Cairo?
Bit late imo...


They co-produced those with us, so they aren't "ours" really. Even if they were, they also have Nike's, which also doesn't matter.

>> ^vaporlock:

Weird, I just watched this the other day. My daughter was asking about shipwrecks and I did a youtube search for Titanic. I thought this was cool, but figured no one on the sift would find it interesting.


As Nike says, "Just do it". You never know!

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

It's just a useful metaphor for the combination of self-interest and the mechanism of supply and demand.

In a completely free market- self-interest is the only guiding rule. You can count on individuals to always do whatever provides them with the maximum benefit- too bad for the environment, your neighbors, single mothers and libraries.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
I don't like the term "invisible hand". It implies a singular unseen designer guiding the market. The market is made up of a large mass of individuals, so the free market is more like a "great number of visible hands".

To me, people who believe markets cannot be left to natural selection (evolution), and think central planning (design) is required in the marketplace, are demonstrating a similar fear-based need for a guiding, loving hand I see in Creationists.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Then I guess I don't understand how you could think it's statist or akin to creationism? This isn't doctrine- this is the free-wheelin', unfettered supply and demand that you free-marketeers love. It also has no heart. Ask the kids working in Nike sweatshops. The invisible hand doesn't care if they get an education.

I don't like the term "invisible hand". It implies a singular unseen designer guiding the market. The market is made up of a large mass of individuals, so the free market is more like a "great number of visible hands".

To me, people who believe markets cannot be left to natural selection (evolution), and think central planning (design) is required in the marketplace, are demonstrating a similar fear-based need for a guiding, loving hand I see in Creationists.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Then I guess I don't understand how you could think it's statist or akin to creationism? This isn't doctrine- this is the free-wheelin', unfettered supply and demand that you free-marketeers love. It also has no heart. Ask the kids working in Nike sweatshops. The invisible hand doesn't care if they get an education.

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Then I guess I don't understand how you could think it's statist or akin to creationism? This isn't doctrine- this is the free-wheelin', unfettered supply and demand that you free-marketeers love. It also has no heart. Ask the kids working in Nike sweatshops. The invisible hand doesn't care if they get an education.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
I knew which invisible hand you meant.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Dude. I'm talking about THE invisible hand.
In reply to this comment by blankfist:
And that is where you and I disagree. Competition ensures we care for each other. You mentioned Time-Warner as if it's the 'Going Galt' example of free markets, but I'd dare argue that if you're incorporated you're no longer part of the free market but instead part of the collusive crony market.

Only statists think of societies in terms of having a guiding hand, much like Creationists think history of life had one. There's no invisible hand. Only people.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Not evil, no. Just driven by a voracious invisible hand that cares not for me and thee.

@Tymbrwulf, I don't know what prompted your lame and sudden attack against me, but you do understand you're citing a cracked.com comedy page to bolster your argument, right?


@dystopianfuturetoday, glad to see you had to edit your comment above and add a bullet list. Very classy, sir. Allow me to touch on that NEW list.

-Why your anti corporate movement is funded by corporations.

You keep citing the Kochs as being supporters of CATO as if their contributions are in any way a strike against the liberty movement. Here's a fun fact: how many corporations can we count that donate to your Democratic Party? A whole helluva lot more than donate to any liberty movement. And don't get me started on the Democratic support of the military industrial complex.

-Your double standards on 'coercion by threat of violence' as it pertains to private property.

You're trying to compare defensive and offensive violence. Fail.

-An example of a successful modern society that doesn't tax.

Irrelevant. Also, I noted compulsory tax vs. voluntary tax above. I hope you're actually reading the comments before posting responses.

-Your use of deceptive slogans and frames in lieu of an actual argument.

Not sure what you mean unless you're trying to paint words like "central designer" and "statism" as being deceptive slogans? I've given nothing but cogent and well framed arguments. I understand I may be in the minority on this site and a lot of people vocally disagree with me, but that doesn't mean I'm not giving you strong arguments. To the contrary, I must be because I've brought on the wrath of several Sifters in here already. That's me tickling that cognitive dissonance.

-Your frequent use of 'begging the question'.

Where have I proposed a premise as truth that requires proof? This, to me, is grasping at straws. I know we love to accuse people of fallacious arguments, but this seems out of left field

-The striking similarities between your own opinion and corporate opinion.

Like your striking similarities to white land owners and their democratic belief in slavery?

-How markets reward violence, labor exploitation and pollution.

This is unfounded. You can post links to isolated incidents all day long, or how corporations (government created entities) are doing bad things under the limited liability protections of the state. And labor exploitation is real, but you're forgetting a part of the market that corrects for these things: the consumers. You like to use Nike as an example, but there's a couple problems with that argument: 1. You can't assume to know the economy of the country with these "sweatshops" (otherwise that would be begging the question, sir). 2. This may be more money than they can make in that part of the world. 3. Nike is a corporation, therefore a government protected entity that enjoys crony capitalism and corporate welfare that keeps competition in the marketplace noncompetitive, so there are less companies able to compete with Nike.

Boom.

You've obviously never stepped on a slice of Veveeta in your brand new Nikes have you!
Oh, wait a minute that's not really cheese is it. Nevermind.>> ^rabidness:

Stephen Fry must have joined the new world order! He's hiding the TRUTH! We all know the moon is made of cheese, you can't get footsteps on cheese now can you?!

Here's another awful comparison for you dft.

If I had a choice between starving and eating a human baby, I'd starve.
If I had a choice between starving and eating a cat, I'd live.

The instinctual feelings you talk about exist almost exclusively between humans and other humans. We are built to protect young, our young. Most don't care about other animals. Most eat other animals. Just because it is a cat and many have them as pets doesn't make it any more wrong than if it was a squirrel or a rabbit.

As for the killing innocent creatures comment, show me a creature that isn't innocent. When I go deer hunting, it isn't because the deer came to my house and robbed me and stole my Nike's.

The resoin people wine about apple and want to slag it off is not down to the products specifcally.

they are against steve jobs Bullshit atitude and the bullshit atitude of allot of people that bum apple and the companies general ethos.

thats why people dont feal like they need to argue against specific shit HTC andriod phones or slag off nokiea because andriod , and nokiea dont market themselfs as a fasion accesory.

You normaly buy other devices off the merrits of the indavidual devices , but a large propotoin of people that buy apple stuff buy it because its apple , in the same way they would buy a nike T shirt or a guchi hand bag.

To make things more clouded , apple have produced some realy good products over time , but they transfer the sucssess and perception from these gr8 products to the other compleaty shit products and amazingly a huge group of there user base stand buy them.

>> ^volumptuous:

Ubuntu?
Yeah, I'll just do that. Because you know, I don't need things like Adobe CS4/5, Logic Audio, Pro Tools, Ableton Live, Max/MSP, Final Cut, Color, Motion, Lightroom and basically every other piece of software I use for my professional and fun purposes.
After scanning around some Ubuntu forums and finding out just what a nightmare it is to run any of my required software, I called a friend @ JPL, and one at Oracle to ask if my summation was correct, and they said "for what you need, Ubuntu makes zero sense". Yep, there you go campion.
Why are we talking about Ubuntu? Oh right, to show that we don't need sweatshops to live our wetern lifestyles. Which for me, (aside from about 1/2 the tech I own) is absolutely true.
I work from home, my GF takes mass transit. We have a massive garden where we get most of our food from. We buy all other food from locally grown, sustainable sources (mostly south central farmers market). We make all of our own cleaning agents, use soap nuts for washing clothes, recycle all water, harvest rainwater, solar dry food, hardly ever use a heater, have no A/C or central air. We use canvas bags to shop with, compost 100% of all food waste, recycle or reuse all plastic/paper/glass etc. Our combined trash for a full month is 1/2 of a normal small plastic bag.
I DO NOT buy Nike products, have never bought anything from WalMart, don't buy fastfood (aside from the ocassional In-n-Out) and we both study the source where all of our merch is made. In this ugly web of global corporate confusion, it's not always easy to find out where every piece of every camera or MIDI controller or PS3 you buy comes from.
It is very easy to "vote with my wallet" although I am not so naive to think it makes a dent on the big picture. But a lot of people would rather just scream "just buy Ubuntu and the world is saved" that's a load of bullshit.


Ubuntu. If you need it, write it. That's how Linux works.

I used to dislike sweatshops and avoided with open disdain any company that used them. Then I realized I love my goddamn Nikes. Fuck off and sweat, motherfuckers.

Kidding. Though I do think the majority of "sweatshops" in underdeveloped and poor countries give better working wages than laborers in those areas typically receive. To us, $5 a day is impossible to live on, but over there that may be a decent wage when adjusted for their economy.

As for @volumptuous claim that Ubuntu cannot handle the software he uses, he is correct, but only because there isn't a market for it - if people chose Ubuntu all that software would be created for it. But Ubuntu isn't sexy like Mac, and all of volumptuous' low fat soy latte sipping, Prius driving, Sig bottle drinking, iPhone calling, Oliver Peoples glasses wearing, carbon credit buying, The Standard in Downtown going, CNN text alert receiving, CFL bulb using, Obama Biden bumper sticker having friends use Mac because they're the "in" thing here in LA.

I know I could google, and I will, but what are your tips for making your own cleaning products as I'm quite interested in doing that.

In reply to this comment by volumptuous:
Ubuntu?

Yeah, I'll just do that. Because you know, I don't need things like Adobe CS4/5, Logic Audio, Pro Tools, Ableton Live, Max/MSP, Final Cut, Color, Motion, Lightroom and basically every other piece of software I use for my professional and fun purposes.

After scanning around some Ubuntu forums and finding out just what a nightmare it is to run any of my required software, I called a friend @ JPL, and one at Oracle to ask if my summation was correct, and they said "for what you need, Ubuntu makes zero sense". Yep, there you go campion.

Why are we talking about Ubuntu? Oh right, to show that we don't need sweatshops to live our wetern lifestyles. Which for me, (aside from about 1/2 the tech I own) is absolutely true.

I work from home, my GF takes mass transit. We have a massive garden where we get most of our food from. We buy all other food from locally grown, sustainable sources (mostly south central farmers market). We make all of our own cleaning agents, use soap nuts for washing clothes, recycle all water, harvest rainwater, solar dry food, hardly ever use a heater, have no A/C or central air. We use canvas bags to shop with, compost 100% of all food waste, recycle or reuse all plastic/paper/glass etc. Our combined trash for a full month is 1/2 of a normal small plastic bag.

I DO NOT buy Nike products, have never bought anything from WalMart, don't buy fastfood (aside from the ocassional In-n-Out) and we both study the source where all of our merch is made. In this ugly web of global corporate confusion, it's not always easy to find out where every piece of every camera or MIDI controller or PS3 you buy comes from.

It is very easy to "vote with my wallet" although I am not so naive to think it makes a dent on the big picture. But a lot of people would rather just scream "just buy Ubuntu and the world is saved" that's a load of bullshit.

Ubuntu?

Yeah, I'll just do that. Because you know, I don't need things like Adobe CS4/5, Logic Audio, Pro Tools, Ableton Live, Max/MSP, Final Cut, Color, Motion, Lightroom and basically every other piece of software I use for my professional and fun purposes.

After scanning around some Ubuntu forums and finding out just what a nightmare it is to run any of my required software, I called a friend @ JPL, and one at Oracle to ask if my summation was correct, and they said "for what you need, Ubuntu makes zero sense". Yep, there you go campion.

Why are we talking about Ubuntu? Oh right, to show that we don't need sweatshops to live our wetern lifestyles. Which for me, (aside from about 1/2 the tech I own) is absolutely true.

I work from home, my GF takes mass transit. We have a massive garden where we get most of our food from. We buy all other food from locally grown, sustainable sources (mostly south central farmers market). We make all of our own cleaning agents, use soap nuts for washing clothes, recycle all water, harvest rainwater, solar dry food, hardly ever use a heater, have no A/C or central air. We use canvas bags to shop with, compost 100% of all food waste, recycle or reuse all plastic/paper/glass etc. Our combined trash for a full month is 1/2 of a normal small plastic bag.

I DO NOT buy Nike products, have never bought anything from WalMart, don't buy fastfood (aside from the ocassional In-n-Out) and we both study the source where all of our merch is made. In this ugly web of global corporate confusion, it's not always easy to find out where every piece of every camera or MIDI controller or PS3 you buy comes from.

It is very easy to "vote with my wallet" although I am not so naive to think it makes a dent on the big picture. But a lot of people would rather just scream "just buy Ubuntu and the world is saved" that's a load of bullshit.