*newb

@raven: as far as I've noticed, the standard procedure is ban problematic newbs, and unban them if they let dag know they have understood the mistake.

and this works, I guess, since if they send insult mails instead, they would have been problematic users, while if they do apologize, they have learned something they wouldn't learn as well otherwise

Yeah it must be a newb moment!

lol maatc has been here long enough that I forgot that HE was the one who posted praerie dog when was still a newb!

gg man!

NEWBS, if you can't strafe jump then you can't do this either
BTW I'd seriously doubt that this is viable on the 360 version... takes a mouse to do this kind of tom-foolery properly

I'm all for helping out a newb who was led a stray, BUT this is blatant self-linking first post and I consider it *ban worthy

Once we start down the road of giving breaks on these types of post, I think we are going to open a flood gate of "OH, I didn't see the HUGE RED PRINT telling me not to self-link NO MATTER WHAT"

As usual, Krupo, you provide insightful comments. But,

"When have those ever not been sifted right to the top? It's like the new Family guy. I mean, hell. I think it was yesterday that there were THREE Robot chickens in the Top 15." <- Various topics/video genres have hot and cold spells. And as the Woohoo channel proprietor, I've seen many vids that lay sprawled out on the sidewalk with a bottle in their hand and a distinct lack of attention.

I think you missed mine and gunrock's point. It's not that some genres are sometimes hot and sometimes cold, but that when a particular genre is hot, should the obvious easy post be rewarded the same (or more) as a truly well crafted sift talk post, for instance. I would argue not, since the effort and ultimately the long term value to the community is not as great. Since there is obviously no way to control for the vicissitudes of the community, my argument is that non-video-posting activities should be rewarded, on average, in equal measure to original submissions.

some "costs" could be variable, depending on Sift activity: say, if the Sift is quiet on the front page, cost of a *-promote would drift down to a pre-set floor. If videos are being published fast and furious, up the cost, to discourage people from spending Siftars on a promote that'll just flush recently sifted vids off the front page.

That's just absolute genius. Unfortunately, you're talking about implementing an incredibly complex economic structure, which I'm pretty sure would take quite a large coding effort. I'm torn, because the benefit could be very large, but it's unknown.


The issue of cliques, timing, and anon posts is too tangled for me to separate (right now). I believe you are sincere, Krupo, when you say that you do not choose to view or skip a vid based on user name, but my own and several others anecdotal evidence suggests that many folks do. And short of server log data to the contrary, I won't be easily convinced otherwise. That being said, I realize it's just a natural side effect of a community site. Ultimately, Dag pointed out the most important reason why anonymity in the queue is bad (as much I as knee-jerk liked the idea) - catching drive-bys, spammers, and silly newb self-linkers is heavily dependent on the community, and that ability would be severely hampered (if not completely destroyed) by queue anonymity.

I also see one of every star category on the front page right now
I'm not convinced that necessarily indicates an equal distribution of views in the queue. Again, timing and many other factors are in play there.

newb took a turn for the prickly all of a sudden, didn't he?

am I supposed to laugh, newb? (talking about this last one)

it's discarded because I tried to change the description and it auto discarded it for some reason. I don't know how to un-discard it, and I can't repost it. haha

In reply to your comment:
"why is it discarded? i can't find a dupe. I guess the newb user didn't confirm the post after the first step.

well it's a great video, but on my principle of "no flash posts" i wouldn't have upvoted "

why is it discarded? i can't find a dupe. I guess the newb user didn't confirm the post after the first step.

well it's a great video, but on my principle of "no flash posts" i wouldn't have upvoted

I do say the sift community is one tough nut to crack, I've been on the net for awhile and I can't say I've seen anything quite like it. I enjoy it here because the central sift community shares the same hobby as me..sharing videos, and this is by far the most elite group compared to any other vid sharing site (but dozens of new ones are popping up daily)

But it can be a difficult community to warm up to, When I first saw the collectives come up some months ago I could sense a great potential in growth. Instead of 1 community forming around the front page and top videos, there are now opportunities for 40 massive communities to grow around each collective.

Problem is lurkers can't become members of collectives without asking for an invitation, many internet lurkers are internet newbs and may find it difficult to join their choice collective.

I say disable the "invitation" option and allow users to one click join a collective.

Savvy Sifters PM me asking for an invite to my collective, yet the not so savvy sift newbs email me asking "how do I join your collective". Think of yourself as a newb and visit a collective that your not a part of, and imagine how you will join that collective.
http://www.videosift.com/collective

Anyway, from what I hear Sift 3.0 is going to correct that confusion? I predict a natural delurking at that time.

looks like the supra just spun out of the hole. That or the supra driver is a newb.

newbs

>> no more Borat or the like. Mustn't forget that he is a raging anti-semite.
Borat is also played by Sasha Baron Cohen, a Jew speaking Hebrew for non-english dialog.. not so simple. (Though I agree, it is ambiguous/troubling.)

Good rules. The "Please don't..", takes the edge off, in a nice way. While I imagine the self-linkers will continue, it's good to be explicit for newbs.