Yes, religion changes... way too slowly, and usually only because of the pressure from secularists and a population it can no longer keep ignorant. And bringing in the papal system is probably one of the worst examples: just look at how the remain opposed to contraception, abortion and homosexuality, for example, when these things are accepted as perfectly moral by the majority in "western" countries. Of course, where people have had less secular influence/education, such as Africa, their immoral stance still causes major damage.

>> ^longde:

OK, so who gets to choose? You want me to choose a subjective thing like "good" on your behalf? I get enough of that from religious people, I don't need college professors getting into the act.
edit: This is how I interpret his talk: Scientific moralism: people using the scientific method to glean principles from genetics, neurology, etc that can be tied to a set of axioms and laws of moralism. To me it sounds like he wants to replace religious high priests with scientific high priests.
And religion changes all the time. The papal system is a good example of that.>> ^hpqp:
>> ^longde:
I'm not convinced. I think "good" and "bad" can be very well defined; the problem is that they are arbitrary. At the core, who gets to define what is "well being" and "good"? We can't even all agree on medical "health".

This is a cop-out stance, pure and simple.

OK, so who gets to choose? You want me to choose a subjective thing like "good" on your behalf? I get enough of that from religious people, I don't need college professors getting into the act.

edit: This is how I interpret his talk: Scientific moralism: people using the scientific method to glean principles from genetics, neurology, etc that can be tied to a set of axioms and laws of moralism. To me it sounds like he wants to replace religious high priests with scientific high priests.

And religion changes all the time. The papal system is a good example of that.>> ^hpqp:

>> ^longde:
I'm not convinced. I think "good" and "bad" can be very well defined; the problem is that they are arbitrary. At the core, who gets to define what is "well being" and "good"? We can't even all agree on medical "health".

This is a cop-out stance, pure and simple.

the vulnerabilities of a species creates a neurological demand for adaption. Species that adapt well, flourish. Neurological demand creates neurological growth.
the armor plated dinosaurs our gone. the planet is dominated by a species that has problem solving (adapting) ability.

*i know this is comedy but there is a tone of scientific philosophy here*

According to a study reported in Annals of Neurology, DOI:10.1002/ana.22089, yes under some circumstances electric shocks can create more brain cells (well, stop them dying)... but not like this.

>> ^gorillaman:

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
To those on this site that like to throw around 'fag' and 'gay' in a derogatory manner, maybe it's time to grow up a little. Even if you don't mean any harm, you still contribute to the kind of ignorant American culture that causes things like this to happen. Stop it.

Horseshit. Maybe don't exploit the death of a child to push your suppressive ideology.



>> ^gorillaman:

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
To those on this site that like to throw around 'fag' and 'gay' in a derogatory manner, maybe it's time to grow up a little. Even if you don't mean any harm, you still contribute to the kind of ignorant American culture that causes things like this to happen. Stop it.

Horseshit. Maybe don't exploit the death of a child to push your suppressive ideology.


WOW HAHAHAHA I point at you and laugh. Yes because telling people to stop casually spewing out hate words is 'suppressive ideology'. Yes I suppose if this is OPPOSITE WORLD, and wanting to make the planet a little more accepting and tolerant is 'suppressive ideology'. hahahha There is no exploiting the child's death here, which is a hilarious deflection tactic to divert attention from a very VALID and pertinent point about stopping the use of hate words.

Those that can't give up on calling people 'fag' and 'gay' or 'pussy', or similar words are perpetuating suppression against those groups. Those are suppressive words and used in a negative manner. The people telling you to stop being ignorant and become a little more socially aware aren't 'suppressing' you, they are informing you of your ignorance that you need to do something about. That isn't fun to be told, so it is understandable that people lash back, wanting to defend their use of such words. Those words are used to imply that being a 'fag' or 'gay' or a 'pussy' is a bad thing. Fag is used as a hate word. And there is nothing wrong with being gay, and pussies, as in vaginas, are great. I love them. I never insult the pussy. mmmmm pussy. There isn't anything wrong with having a pussy, and nothing wrong with being female.

I always laugh at the completely average, run of the mill, scared to think 'outside the box' of their ignorant social groups/unbringing, people I've met who simply can't NOT say those words. It is laughable. And even when they are informed what these worlds do, how hurtful they can be, how ignorant and stupid they appear/are for using such words, they STILL insist on saying them because it makes them neurologically comfortable.

Go call a bunch of black guys 'nigger' and tell us how they suppressed you when told you to shut your ignorant face. Or of course you could always continue to parade your ignorance to the world rather then do something about it.

In reply to this comment by gorillaman:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

To those on this site that like to throw around 'fag' and 'gay' in a derogatory manner, maybe it's time to grow up a little. Even if you don't mean any harm, you still contribute to the kind of ignorant American culture that causes things like this to happen. Stop it.

Horseshit. Maybe don't exploit the death of a child to push your suppressive ideology.



WOW HAHAHAHA I point at you and laugh. Yes because telling people to stop casually spewing out hate words is 'suppressive ideology'. Yes I suppose if this is OPPOSITE WORLD, and wanting to make the planet a little more accepting and tolerant is 'suppressive ideology'. hahahha There is no exploiting the child's death here, which is a hilarious deflection tactic to divert attention from a very VALID and pertinent point about stopping the use of hate words.

Those that can't give up on calling people 'fag' and 'gay' or 'pussy', or similar words are perpetuating suppression against those groups. Those are suppressive words and used in a negative manner. The people telling you to stop being ignorant and become a little more socially aware aren't 'suppressing' you, they are informing you of your ignorance that you need to do something about. That isn't fun to be told, so it is understandable that people lash back, wanting to defend their use of such words. Those words are used to imply that being a 'fag' or 'gay' or a 'pussy' is a bad thing. Fag is used as a hate word. And there is nothing wrong with being gay, and pussies, as in vaginas, are great. I love them. I never insult the pussy. mmmmm pussy. There isn't anything wrong with having a pussy, and nothing wrong with being female.

I always laugh at the completely average, run of the mill, scared to think 'outside the box' of their ignorant social groups/unbringing, people I've met who simply can't NOT say those words. It is laughable. And even when they are informed what these worlds do, how hurtful they can be, how ignorant and stupid they appear/are for using such words, they STILL insist on saying them because it makes them neurologically comfortable.

Go call a bunch of black guys 'nigger' and tell us how they suppressed you when told you to shut your ignorant face. Or of course you could always continue to parade your ignorance to the world rather then do something about it.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Sam Harris, science, brain, soul, neurology, mind' to 'Sam Harris, science, brain, soul, neurology, mind, consciousness' - edited by xxovercastxx

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Sam Harris, science, brain, soul, neurology' to 'Sam Harris, science, brain, soul, neurology, mind' - edited by xxovercastxx

You are truly a moron. I've tried not to say so, but you are. Your conspiracy theory videos and this retarded attack on immunisation just prove it.

Widespread vaccination has the potential to reduce cervical cancer deaths around the world by as much as two-thirds, if all women were to take the vaccine and if protection turns out to be long-term. In addition, the vaccines can reduce the need for medical care, biopsies, and invasive procedures associated with the follow-up from abnormal Pap tests, thus helping to reduce health care costs and anxieties related to abnormal Pap tests and follow-up procedures.
—American National Cancer Institute, [22]
(source)

If you're all fine with NOT trying to prevent two thirds of cervical cancer deaths based on a misguided fear of immunisations, then have at it sir, and then don't bitch when any woman you knows dies of it.

Go and look up what immunisation has done for the world, go on...

Children DIED because of the hysteria created around the MMR vaccine by the slime ball Andrew Wakefield. Children who would NOT have died did so because idiots like you made parents incorrectly fear a vaccine, so their children were not immunised, infection rates sky-rocketed, and children DIED.

I mock the fucking shit out of you because you are wrong, and your decisions put the lives of other people at risk too, not just your own. There's no two ways about it, vaccinations are a HUGE benefit to society, a HUGE life saver, a HUGE preventer of pain and suffering.

Do you use homoeopathic remedies to ward off evil do you?


>> ^marbles:

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.

There's a big difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it straight into the vein.
Do junkies eat heroin? Why the fuck do you think they go to the trouble of injecting smack, why don't they just eat it?
Hardly any mercury is absorbed through ingesting, like around .01%. So that would be 1/1000 of 17 micrograms actually absorbed or .0017 micrograms / 6oz can of tuna.
And what do we actually know about mercury? Well, we know it's HIGHLY toxic. Let's go to the wikipedia page for Mercury poisoning:
Mercury is such a highly reactive toxic agent that it is difficult to identify its specific mechanism of damage, and much remains unknown about the mechanism. It damages the central nervous system, endocrine system, kidneys, and other organs, and adversely affects the mouth, gums, and teeth. Exposure over long periods of time or heavy exposure to mercury vapor can result in brain damage and ultimately death. Mercury and its compounds are particularly toxic to fetuses and infants. Women who have been exposed to mercury in pregnancy have sometimes given birth to children with serious birth defects (see Minamata disease).
Mercury exposure in young children can have severe neurological consequences, preventing nerve sheaths from forming properly. Mercury inhibits the formation of myelin.
/source

And since we're at it, let's have a peak at Thiomersal's wikipedia page:
Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin, with a danger of cumulative effects. ...
Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.
/source
But you can keep talking out of your ass like you actually have a fucking clue. And keep shooting up your children with neurotoxins too, while mocking those that oppose forced inoculations.
BTW statist idiot, the video is referring to the HPV vaccine. Why do fucking 10 year olds need to be vaccinated for STDs?

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.


There's a big difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it straight into the vein.

Do junkies eat heroin? Why the fuck do you think they go to the trouble of injecting smack, why don't they just eat it?
Hardly any mercury is absorbed through ingesting, like around .01%. So that would be 1/1000 of 17 micrograms actually absorbed or .0017 micrograms / 6oz can of tuna.

And what do we actually know about mercury? Well, we know it's HIGHLY toxic. Let's go to the wikipedia page for Mercury poisoning:

Mercury is such a highly reactive toxic agent that it is difficult to identify its specific mechanism of damage, and much remains unknown about the mechanism. It damages the central nervous system, endocrine system, kidneys, and other organs, and adversely affects the mouth, gums, and teeth. Exposure over long periods of time or heavy exposure to mercury vapor can result in brain damage and ultimately death. Mercury and its compounds are particularly toxic to fetuses and infants. Women who have been exposed to mercury in pregnancy have sometimes given birth to children with serious birth defects (see Minamata disease).

Mercury exposure in young children can have severe neurological consequences, preventing nerve sheaths from forming properly. Mercury inhibits the formation of myelin.
/source


And since we're at it, let's have a peak at Thiomersal's wikipedia page:

Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin, with a danger of cumulative effects. ...

Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.
/source

But you can keep talking out of your ass like you actually have a fucking clue. And keep shooting up your children with neurotoxins too, while mocking those that oppose forced inoculations.

BTW statist idiot, the video is referring to the HPV vaccine. Why do fucking 10 year olds need to be vaccinated for STDs?

Alas for the field of rational science - it has been hijacked by biased politically motivated cretins. Climate science has been utterly lost, and not content with besmirching that branch alone, the trogs are moving into neurology?

A slightly larger amygdala has been associated with complex social interaction and the ability to move more information into long term memory. Whoopeedoo. The anterior cingulate cortex is associated with error detection, which is nothing more than a simple cognitive function. Again - whoopeedoo. A person with a huge anygdala can have excellent error detection, and just because someone has a bigger ACC doesn't necessarily mean they can perform higher thought for squat.

To imply from this study that Democrats are all complex thinkers and that Republicans don't think at all is in and of itself proof of quite the opposite. Only someone being driven by their basest, most fearful emotions could possibly believe such Gobbelesque tripe. Whatever brains believe that sort of flawed interpretation are certainly NOT being driven by complex thought.

From Chuckles info page: "Chuckles is a Red Fox who was brought to TreeHouse as a kit from St.Libory on April 7, 2007. The farmer who found her stated that one of his hounds had shaken Chuckles and was carrying her around in its mouth. He rescued Chuckles from the hound and brought her to TreeHouse for medical evaluation and care. She recovered from her physical injuries but exhibits unusual behaviors that indicate permanent neurological injury, including an amusing laugh.

Chuckles is now living out her days at TreeHouse and is a favorite of many of the volunteers who come to feed and care for the animals. She often 'chuckles' at them when they bring in her food. As a foster parent, Chuckles has helped TreeHouse raise and release two other Red Foxes this year."

http://treehousewildlifecenter.com/Chuckles.html

Martha Herbert, MD, PhD, Assistant Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School, Pediatric Neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital. PBS, April 2011:

I think it's possible that you could have a genetic subgroup. You also might have an immune subgroup. There are a variety of subgroups. But the problem with the (vaccine-autism) population studies is they don't... they aren't necessarily designed to have the statistical power to find subgroups like that if the subgroups are small.

I went back and reviewed the abstract from the Phoenix study. My numbers were a little off, 56 patients received a surgical airway, 27% survived to discharge from the hospital, but only 3 were judged to have "good neurologic recovery."

In emergent airway algorithms, cricothyrotomy is the choice of last resort, so paramedics would have exhausted all other options. One other study, I can't remember where it was done, found that over half of the surgical airways that had been performed in the field were unsatisfactory airways on presentation to the ER, i.e. only around half were actually successful. I don't think anyone can fault someone for following suggested algorithms. As an old and wise surgeon once told me, "son, you can't get much deader than dead." The statistics merely point to the dismal prognosis, should one be required. "Meaningful neurologic outcome" just means there wasn't a severe brain injury, such that the patient could have some quality of life.