Novel prize? For his ghost written books?

Really, how’s that peace deal with the Palestinians working out? Iran? Yemen? Afghanistan? Hardly a Mid East peace deal without them.
He “made” deals that had already been made between the parties involved....meaning he just took credit for other people’s work as usual, and the deals made are meaningless. More trade agreements than peace deals by nations that weren’t hostile to begin with.
The Nobel committee evaluated his “work” and found it much less of an achievement than getting elected president as a black man.

Why do you care? He’s happy to lie about it and claim he’s received multiple peace prizes from them....pay no mind to the fact that he used the science medal in his tweet where he made the claim, you don’t care. Donny said he won, so he won, right? Sounds familiar.

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I believe it was made public a few decades ago that the US has had a roadmap for overtaking the middle-east for at least 3 or 4 decades. I recall hearing that around 2005 or so, but it's been so long I don't remember the source. Only that there was a specific plan that the US had laid out that was a strip of specific land across the mid-east that military strategists had basically said "we topple here, here and here, and we run the world forever", or some such equally power-mongering statement.
Then I again maybe the info in this clip is what I heard back then and I'm just getting it mixed up.

Look, these anti abortion crazies are just like the mullahs, mufti and Taliban in the mid east. Exact same types of people, same motivation, same stupid ideas. It's just we have a better immune response to them over here.

@spoco2
iraq was going to happen.9/11 was just a convenient tool to get there.
see: http://www.takeoverworld.info/grandchessboard.html
or: http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/chalmers-johnsons-blowback-the-costs-and/

as for the political extortion coming from saudi arabia,and understand this is pure speculation.i would surmise it had something to do with very unsavory information that the body politic of washington would do much to keep under wraps.
when you consider the political landscape of the mid east it is an animal wholly and unequivocal in its absolute opposite of western politics,and that the US foreign policy over the past 50 years has been grossly under-reported and was rife with murder,assasinations,(economic as well as literal),coup de tats and the ruining of whole countries to rape and pillage their resources.
the open hand of the free market can never succeed without the closed fist of military might-arundhati roy
i have no doubt that certain american political factions got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
just look at how the bush years handled the iraq war and how convinced they were things were going to go in certain direction.
it probably would have in a western country but the mid east is organic as much as it is chaotic.
western politics has always and i mean ALWAYS gotten the politics of the middle east wrong.

>> ^bcglorf:

as Americans we have to look in the mirror FIRST.
You can't do that unless you've got a mirror handy somewhere.
If I invent a time machine, and go back and beat out Clinton for the presidency and deploy American troops into Rwanda and save 700,000 lives by slowing the genocide it looks pretty good to us. BUT if you only look at America, and ignore the crimes of the Hutu militia's in Rwanda, all you would see is American intervention precipitating another African civil war that killed 100,000 Africans.
You can't judge the interactions between two nations in a vacuum where only one nation's crimes and failures are considered, which is the unfortunate turn Chomsky has been taking for awhile now.
You can't judge America's role in Libya without equally assessing the role of Gadhafi as well. Without assessing both you are not only being dishonest with your audience, but deliberately so.
Also notice that this is 15 minutes of a much longer speech.
My point sadly applies to pretty much all of Chomsky's work for the last couple of years .


I guess you just don't get it then.

>> ^bcglorf:

It's more selective than that.
The US and it's allies try to prevent any government from holding power if that government opposes US interests.
Wait.
All nations try to prevent any government from holding power if that government opposes their interests.
Chomsky's rallying cry for moral equivalency in assessing the hypocrisy of American foreign policy is drowned out by his abject failure to rally cries for the equivalent moral failures of any other nation at all.
Point in fact, Gadhafi starts murdering his own people and when the UN asks for help to stop it and America steps up, America is the bad guy, and apologies are made for Gadhafi...
Moral equivalence would seem to place Gadhafi and his government at much greater fault and failure. But instead Chomsky comes out swinging the biggest axe at America for backing the UN resolution to stop Gadhafi.

It's really terribly sad to see what Chomsky has come to these days.


You've never actually read Chomsky have you? Because if you had you would've heard him say time and time again that he is an American...so his job is to talk about America because all other American commentators are really good at assessing other nations crimes but not Americas. It's literally in almost every book he writes...he does an astounding amount of research and work and you want this 80+ year old man to do more?

Sorry but I agree with Chomsky...as Americans we have to look in the mirror FIRST. We have to assess our decisions and decision making capabilities because that's what We have control over more than anything else.

Seriously READ some Chomsky sometimes he does no good adding his voice to the obvious things other countries do wrong because we see those clearly. America is his subject and he's well versed in it's foreign policy...much more so than you.

Did you speak to God yourself shiny? Or did you read the re-re-re-translation of a book written by agenda driven nutters like you 600 years after a bunch of backward uneducated nomads in the desert wrote it?
(No offense to early mid-east culture but the Chinese at least could read and write by then, shame God gave them a miss).

You don't sound like a bad person but you HAVE to understand that to those of us who are not indoctrinated into believing in ancient peasant stories of magic tricks you sound like a NUTTER. And a nutter who claims to know the inner thoughts of a supreme being! If I was God I'd kick your ass for presumtion.

Come on, you must know you're crazy. If you lament the state of civilization then understand that tribal superstitions and fearfulness are FAR from part of the solution. Let's face it if you'd been born in a different country you'd be just as fervent about a whole different story.


>> ^shinyblurry:

I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell, and neither does God..

God has made it very clear He isn't letting any sin into Heaven and everyone knows that..

I don't mind it for the Lords sake but the worst part of it for me is knowing that the ones doing this will be judged for it if they don't repent.

well, yeah. that obviously was the entire conversation, or even the end of his insight. but he predicted a lot of the things that are going on now with beautiful accuracy. and of course, in the end... the US has had its dick in mid east sands for far too long for anything to ever ever be ok. >> ^Yogi:

>> ^peggedbea:
except some of us care on insane day/month/year destroying levels and don't need our heart wounds opened up by watching bloodshed we are way too aware of.
so i'm not watching the video, because i don't watch brutality on purpose. i dont mind if you do, but my heart/feelings/stomach can't take it...... but i wanted to add something i thought about the other day that made me happy....
so one of my bff's is an awesome dude. he is a teacher and spends half of us time teaching teenagers in the middle east. sometime around a decade ago he had just gotten back from teaching some teenagers in Syria. We were talking about impending wars in the middle east and speculating what they would look like and how they would play out. we rightly guessed that iraq would be invaded, someone would lie, and we'd pretend we were "liberating" them.... so my friend said something amazing. he said that we won't need to "liberate" anyone. if we just leave them alone, his students generation will grow into adults and they will demand democracy and civil liberties. he predicted it would be helped along by what the internet was surely to become. and said that his students want stupid things like pepsi and brittany spears but they also want to participate in a whole world culture and some of them just want to be gay or have blue mohawks or wear tshirts that say "fuck you" or bang on loud instruments or whatever. but his students 9 or 10 years ago are now in their 20s. and theyre as strong and tenacious and smart and sick of being stifled as he said they were and they know their power. and they are sooo amazing.
and my friend is probably the smartest person i know.
>> ^Mammaltron:
We wouldn't want people to see things which are uncomfortable for them, that might make them care about the fact they're happening! That way lies madness


Your friend is very smart and a good person...but he is somewhat misguided. There have been people banging on about democracy in the Middle east for decades, they protested they rose and fought for their freedoms. Many ended up crushed but United States backed forces. So while it is your right to night watch this film I would suggest that you possibly join a local group. Protest this sort of treatment...the only way to stop these kinds of films is not by watching it and getting mad but to make sure our government isn't going to facilitate the next batch of them.

UM. THere is NO WAY SHARIA LAW CAN TAKE EFFECT IN A COUNTRY THAT ALREADY HAS RULE OF LAW! It can't, if you think it can, you need to submit yourself for psychiatric assistance. THe UK is NOT a muslim country and isn't a theocracy. If anything, we added to sharia law in the mid-east by kicking Saddam out! He was SECULAR and not Islamic fundamentalist. In fact, Al Qaida was a banned group in Iraq, until of course we allow Saddam to be killed (like Al Qaeda had planned to do anyway). Not that Saddam was a great guy, but lord knows, the US prefers dictatorships to democratic elections (even at home). If you people are actually thinking Muslims are gonna take over, please, PLEASE read a book without Glenn Beck on the cover!

Part of Obama's motivation to go along with lifting that moratorium was to ease the demand for foreign oil, and therefore ease pressure on the military to maintain the oil empire, including the wars in the mid-east. I don't think it would be fair place much blame on him directly for any of those problems.

But that doesn't mean the blame game isn't going on...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8655259.stm>> ^entr0py:

>> ^JesseoftheNorth:
As much as it pains me to say, Obama deserves some of the blame for this for lifting the moratorium on offshore drilling.

Obama lifted the moratorium on offshore drilling a month ago. I don't think they've thrown up any new oil rigs in that span of time. Though it does show just how unwise his plans were. Which is why he reinstated the suspension on new drilling.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8654138.stm

I don’t know where conservatives get their crystal ball, but I hope they kept the receipt. Lets take a look at their track record:

*Prediction: The Iraq war will be over in six months
*Prediction: Our troops will be welcomed as heros, candy and flowers will rain down on them
*Prediction: The oil revenues will pay for the Iraq war.
*Prediction: Overthrowing Sadam will cause a domino effect of stability breaking out in the Mid East
*Prediction: WMD will be found in Iraq
*Prediction: A connection between Sadam and 9-11 will be proven.
*Prediction: The autopsy will prove Terry Schivio had a fully functioning brain
*Prediction: It will be proven that Mark Foley/Larry Craig were set up by dastardly liberal operatives.

Basically, these tools couldn’t predict six o’clock at five-thirty. Additionally, this Gerald Celente has been making the same predictions for the last 20 years. It’s almost as if he wants these things to happen.

That surely was a long-winded way of saying, "I downvote apples because of oranges."

>> ^quantumushroom:
All right libs, you don't deserve this explanation, but here it is:
I can understand opposing policies you don't agree with, even the harsher ones that kept America safe; it's the juvenile and disgraceful way liberals conducted themselves during the Bush years and continue to do so now that no conservative should abide.
Don't believe me? There's a disgraceful leftist comment about Bush in this very sift. See if you can find it.
What could a conservative/non-liberal be mad about? How about eight years of trashing Bush, sniping his family, criticizing his appointees, second guessing his every motive, blaming him for the high price of gasoline and a hurricane, assigning to the man one of the most implausible and stupid conspiracy theories ever created and equating life under Bush with nazism, ALL under the aegis of a totally-in-denial mainstream media that worked for free on behalf of Democrats the entire election cycle. (I'll be merciful and leave out how Democrats set the stage for the housing collapse with government "fairness" meddling, leading to the demise of Fan/Fred and triggering the first round of bailouts).
All Obama has done is win an election, sneak in more socialized medicine, use American tax dollars to allow foreign brown babies to be killed in the womb, offer to unleash all the gitmo terrorists back to Mid-East battlefields (and America) and pass another bailout bill to pay off his political debts, a bailout awfully similar to the one that made Bush's presidency a failure despite victory in Iraq.
Obama's real character has yet to emerge...he and his merry band of socialists are not selling anything that hasn't been tried and failed. You're going to have to learn this the hard way, I'm afraid.
As for this "spontaneous" video, you think Obama doesn't know his fan club cameras are rolling? The subtext here is that it's now OK for liberals to love the military because a Democrat is Commander-in-Chief.
Part-time patriotism is neither appreciated nor wanted.

All right libs, you don't deserve this explanation, but here it is:

I can understand opposing policies you don't agree with, even the harsher ones that kept America safe; it's the juvenile and disgraceful way liberals conducted themselves during the Bush years and continue to do so now that no conservative should abide.

Don't believe me? There's a disgraceful leftist comment about Bush in this very sift. See if you can find it.

What could a conservative/non-liberal be mad about? How about eight years of trashing Bush, sniping his family, criticizing his appointees, second guessing his every motive, blaming him for the high price of gasoline and a hurricane, assigning to the man one of the most implausible and stupid conspiracy theories ever created and equating life under Bush with nazism, ALL under the aegis of a totally-in-denial mainstream media that worked for free on behalf of Democrats the entire election cycle. (I'll be merciful and leave out how Democrats set the stage for the housing collapse with government "fairness" meddling, leading to the demise of Fan/Fred and triggering the first round of bailouts).

All Obama has done is win an election, sneak in more socialized medicine, use American tax dollars to allow foreign brown babies to be killed in the womb, offer to unleash all the gitmo terrorists back to Mid-East battlefields (and America) and pass another bailout bill to pay off his political debts, a bailout awfully similar to the one that made Bush's presidency a failure despite victory in Iraq.

Obama's real character has yet to emerge...he and his merry band of socialists are not selling anything that hasn't been tried and failed. You're going to have to learn this the hard way, I'm afraid.

As for this "spontaneous" video, you think Obama doesn't know his fan club cameras are rolling? The subtext here is that it's now OK for liberals to love the military because a Democrat is Commander-in-Chief.

Part-time patriotism is neither appreciated nor wanted.

The line for scientific research should never be drawn, not ever.
Look what happened in the arab world when the ruling class at the time around 500 AD decided that questioning the unknown is encroaching on gods doorstep, essentially drawing a line in the sand and saying "no more research, what you don't know now, you never will, cause it doesn't suit our needs".

How many nobel laureates are from the mid-east ?

1...and he shares it with a british fellow.

Seriously, there should never be any kind of discussion where drawing a line in the sand is ever a consideration for research, ever.

CERN invented the internet, they invented MRI, they invented the concentrated x-ray for blasting cancer sites, they invented super conductors, as Brian mentioned, they've also come up with a new method of cooling, they've even invented and built a brand new parallel internet with massive capacity and the ability to have distributed processing / applications running over it (google "The GRID - CERN"), they invented the integrated circuit, the transistor (and as a result, PLENTY of other complex digital structures)...

ALL of those technologies came as a result of EXPLORATION DRIVEN SCIENCE, where noone doing the research at the time had any kind of insight as to what might come of it.

You cant simply sit there and claim that exploration driven science should be stopped because it costs too much, AND you cant foresee its benefits, that's just a failing on your imagination, not on the scientific process.

As much as I admire the older chap for his position within the british academia, it is people with attitudes like him that enable the idiots of this world to hang shit on people with a passion for understanding how it all works.

Once you start saying "maybe thats a bit too far", you open the door for a lot more, just look at what Bush has done to the credibility of scientific reporting by essentially removing the ability for the scientists to report their findings without running it through the "washington filter" first....a disaster.

iran would be well on it's way to become a democracy by now were there no interventions by the US and Israel, which won't give up it's strategic control of mid-East. like 1980-88 iran-iraq war, sponsored and instigated by the US. thus the clerics are still in power. there's a lot of well educated young people in Iran that want to establish normal relations with the west. my ex-girlfriend was in Iran in 1989, had trouble with the "ethics police" in Teheran, a bunch of armed youth and old war veterans that patroled the streets. apparently her feet were to "exposed" (she wore sandals and huge sunglasses) also her long blond hair peeked a bit from under all that disguise, so she was an easy target. she was with another guy and they had to pretend they're married to get a hotel room. they were pushing it a bit when they went skinny dipping in the Caspian sea (they entered from north, through Turkey) but they both came home with good impressions. they met a dozen educated mid-class iranians who were very eager to welcome them in their homes and talk to them about politics, life in Europe and the stuff that was bothering them like strict religious laws and the double lives they lived - out on the street or at work they always have to be careful about what they say, how they behave or what they wear. when at home they're much more relaxed and openly talk about life in Iran.
we shouldn't bomb them, we should help them make a better country for themselves or at least just leave them the fuck alone so they can get their shit together on their own. the US policy for the last few decades certainly didn't do any good to the evolutionary process in that part of the world.