>> ^Gamble:

No one has ever died from pot? Sorry, stopped watching right there.


Hi Gamble, you seem genuine. Let me add what I can.

I'm going to call bullshit on that French study.

It says, "French researchers studied all drivers involved in fatal car crashes over a two-year period and found 7% tested positive for marijuana, including nearly 3% who tested positive for a combination of marijuana and alcohol."

This study is from before 2005, I don't believe roadside marijuana tests existed back then, as they aren't used much even now. That means they did tests that determined the person smoked weed in the past few weeks. And so 7% of those people tested positive for having smoked marijuana in the past few weeks? Whopp-dee-doo. From The National Survey on Drug Use and Health:

Among adults aged 26 or older, 6.3 percent were current illicit drug users in 2009. In this age group, 4.6 percent used marijuana, and 2.1 percent used prescription-type drugs nonmedically. Less than 1 percent used cocaine (0.6 percent), hallucinogens (0.2 percent), heroin (0.1 percent), and inhalants (0.1 percent). The only statistically significant changes between 2008 and 2009 in the rates of past month use among adults in this age group involved nonmedical use of stimulants (which increased from 0.2 to 0.4 percent) and methamphetamine use (which rose from 0.1 to 0.2 percent). In addition to these increases between 2008 and 2009, the rate of current marijuana use among adults aged 26 or older was higher in 2009 (4.6 percent) than in 2002 (4.0 percent).
( http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k9NSDUH/2k9Results.htm#2.4 )

So obviously among those 4.6% marijuana users aged 26+ there are a lot of drivers who would test positive for drug use in the past few weeks.

It also says, "The study also showed that drivers who tested positive for marijuana were more than three times as likely to be responsible for the fatal car crash. Researchers say the likelihood of being at fault increased as the blood concentration of marijuana increased."

So they took blood tests? That doesn't determine if you're stoned. Marijuana stays in your blood for a long time. If you smoked yesterday at 2 P.M. you would still definitely have marijuana in your system. But you definitely wouldn't be stoned at all.

Lastly my own personal experience: I drive stoned all the time. But before you harangue me for being a danger to society let me tell you that I know when I am in control and when I'm not. I am a responsible driver and there have been very few occasions when I've smoked a joint and needed to rest before driving. It's happened a couple of times where I've been somewhere, smoked a big joint and then needed to leave. I get to my car and shit is still spinning and overwhelming a bit. It's these times when I take 10-15 minutes to let the initial effects wear off and adjust to and get serious about my surroundings.

Alcohol is far far worse, for me anyways... I've driven tipsy once or twice, and it's just not to be done. It's different, everything's just a big fucking joke when you're drunk. I had to keep reminding myself to be careful and not just let go and enjoy the ride lol. When stoned, I'm vigilant.

Lastly, I would like to mention that I feel weed affects me quite strongly. I've smoked a ton of weed in my day, and compared to me friends, I still get pretty darn high. Especially if I've gone even a week without smoking.

Anyways, tl;dr Marijuana is a relatively safe drug and the prohibition against it is highly suspicious.

I searched google for about 20 minutes for news articles to back up my statements. In all honesty, I found just one. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/
25/driver-blamed-string-crashes-says-he-smoked-pot-fi/ I'm not quite sure why so few articles come up. Perhaps drivers aren't tested for marijuana as much as they are alcohol? I'm open to debate here.

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^Gamble:
I'm not discussing whether or not it's toxic. I'm stating the the claim that nobody, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, has ever died from marijuana abuse is bullshit, and a ridiculously unbelievable claim to make.
I drink, I smoke, and a few years ago, before my employment started testing me, I smoked pot. I have no problem with anyone else doing the same. However, the claim that it can't kill you is, frankly, retarded.
Take automobile accidents alone. (Keep in mind, in the interest of being fair, that alcohol-related auto fatalities occur far more often.) In France alone, 7% of all drivers in fatal car crashes were found to be under the influence of marijuana. As with alcohol, the impairing effects stack with the more you consume.
Alcohol is statistically shown to kill more on the highways than marijuana. I disagree with drunk-driving, and sincerely hope that all those that do find their way into a ditch without harming others. Marijuana is an impairing substance as well, and I have no more patience for it on our roads than I do alcohol.
In light of all that, I'm 100% supportive of everybody getting baked out of their minds as long as they don't endanger others.
>> ^enoch:
so can i infer from your comment you disagree with joe rogans claim?
while i did find three "possible" recorded deaths over the last 20 yrs due to weed..they could not be substantiated and a coroner in england who theorized much more...there really is no evidence to back up the claim that weed kills.
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
but you go right ahead and plug your ears and cover your eyes and continue to believe the corporate funded propaganda campaign demonizing weed.
it is like it's the 1940's again!
yaaaaay.

>> ^Duckman33:

100% correct. No one has died from pot. Get over it.


I have never seen any evidence that anyone has ever died as a direct result of marijuana use, and you provided none to back up your claims. But I have heard and read many reputable people say that no one has ever died from it's use.
I can tell you one thing. I'd feel more comfortable getting behind the wheel after taking a bong hit or two than after drinking a six pack. If anything I'd drive slower and more cautiously. Drunk I'd speed, and more than likely be swerving all over the road. Comparing the impairment you get from weed to alcohol is ridiculous.

>> ^Gamble:

I'm not discussing whether or not it's toxic. I'm stating the the claim that nobody, IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, has ever died from marijuana abuse is bullshit, and a ridiculously unbelievable claim to make.
I drink, I smoke, and a few years ago, before my employment started testing me, I smoked pot. I have no problem with anyone else doing the same. However, the claim that it can't kill you is, frankly, retarded.
Take automobile accidents alone. (Keep in mind, in the interest of being fair, that alcohol-related auto fatalities occur far more often.) In France alone, 7% of all drivers in fatal car crashes were found to be under the influence of marijuana. As with alcohol, the impairing effects stack with the more you consume.
Alcohol is statistically shown to kill more on the highways than marijuana. I disagree with drunk-driving, and sincerely hope that all those that do find their way into a ditch without harming others. Marijuana is an impairing substance as well, and I have no more patience for it on our roads than I do alcohol.
In light of all that, I'm 100% supportive of everybody getting baked out of their minds as long as they don't endanger others.
>> ^enoch:
so can i infer from your comment you disagree with joe rogans claim?
while i did find three "possible" recorded deaths over the last 20 yrs due to weed..they could not be substantiated and a coroner in england who theorized much more...there really is no evidence to back up the claim that weed kills.
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
but you go right ahead and plug your ears and cover your eyes and continue to believe the corporate funded propaganda campaign demonizing weed.
it is like it's the 1940's again!
yaaaaay.

>> ^Duckman33:

100% correct. No one has died from pot. Get over it.



I have never seen any evidence that anyone has ever died as a direct result of marijuana use, and you provided none to back up your claims. But I have heard and read many reputable people say that no one has ever died from it's use.

I can tell you one thing. I'd feel more comfortable getting behind the wheel after taking a bong hit or two than after drinking a six pack. If anything I'd drive slower and more cautiously. Drunk I'd speed, and more than likely be swerving all over the road. Comparing the impairment you get from weed to alcohol is ridiculous.

Didn't want to downvote but i had to.

Promoting marijuana using the same fear tactics that governments employ to PREVENT us from using marijuana? No thanks.

>> ^geo321:

Here's a infographic for the US..http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=6825
and here's a marijuana use chart for the world..
http://iloveweed.net/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/a3b4b7c8d0c9a543
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Isn't it interesting to see how low the Netherlands ranks in the marijuana use charts, even though the use and sale are allowed here. 7% of the population smokes compared to 13% in the USA.

Here's a infographic for the US..http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=6825

and here's a marijuana use chart for the world..
http://iloveweed.net/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/a3b4b7c8d0c9a54373cb3f304bca0054.gif

^NetRunner:
Try a non-partisan study, please!

Perhaps you can find some studies indicating that drug use has increased significantly in Portugal since decriminalization. I'm having a difficult time with that, from any source (though I haven't tried Limbaugh yet).


As for my murder legalization example, I don't think it's hard to see that there would be more murders.

I didn't say there wouldn't be more murders, I said (or rather implied) that the comparison was absurd. You're also looking at prohibition in a vacuum, as if it is the only factor limiting use.

First a determination has to be made as to whether marijuana use needs to be reduced. If not, and prohibition is lifted with no other changes, then use will probably increase. In this case, increased use is not undesirable.

The other possibility is that it is determined that marijuana use does need to be reduced. In that case we want the most effective and least costly method. One option is prohibition, but there are others, such as in Portugal's case.

Just because an attempted solution includes the decriminalization/legalization of any particular drug does not mean its use will increase. I know you're talking about only repealing prohibition without changing anything else, but the distinction needs to be made, especially if you're going to bring ideas like murder into the equation.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
Amen. Now just make the shit legal across the board. Marijuana use is safer than alcohol use. When people get drunk the streets are filled with drunk drivers. When people get high the streets are filled with pizza delivery dudes.


Yeah, high pizza delivery dudes.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
Amen. Now just make the shit legal across the board. Marijuana use is safer than alcohol use. When people get drunk the streets are filled with drunk drivers. When people get high the streets are filled with pizza delivery dudes.


In my experience, High pizza delivery dudes. Brings back good memories... I have been tipped with a bong rip or 2 when I used to deliver. Good times, but the boss would usually get pissed when it takes you an hour for a delivery 10 min away.

On the vid, I think it's great, they are also enacting more strict rules for the cannabis clubs, which will hopefully ultimately legitimize the whole idea.

lol

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Amen. Now just make the shit legal across the board. Marijuana use is safer than alcohol use. When people get drunk the streets are filled with drunk drivers. When people get high the streets are filled with pizza delivery dudes.

Amen. Now just make the shit legal across the board. Marijuana use is safer than alcohol use. When people get drunk the streets are filled with drunk drivers. When people get high the streets are filled with pizza delivery dudes.

>> ^BrknPhoenix:
You just wanna go get fucked up and hang out. That's all that matters.
Fucking Internet.


WTF are you talking about? No, that's not it at all. The "war on drugs" is a HUGE waste of time and money, and it's failing. Miserably. See: http://www.videosift.com/video/American-Drug-War-The-Last-White-Hope-Full-Movie-1

No one dies from, or as a result of Marijuana use. How many people die a year from drinking and driving? 75,000+.

Marijuana has proven medicinal uses. I can guarantee you a major entity lobbying against it's legalization are the pharmaceutical companies. They don't want to lose their strangle hold on our cash.

Hemp can be used to make almost anything. And would create a LOT of jobs.

And the many points roughy made.

Oh, and roughy, It's legal in Oregon for medicinal purposes. I have friends that can legally grow, smoke, and carry it on their person.

Marijuana prohibition has been a total failure and is perhaps this country's greatest mistake. Not only has it created criminals out of nearly a third of the country's populace, it costs our society billions of dollars every year, creates a strain on our prison system, and has little or no effect on marijuana use in the US. In some cases, prosecuting marijuana use has turned non-violent, middle class kids into violent and unpredictable, career criminals. Once a person has a criminal conviction on their record, they are far less likely to find a good job and become a useful member of society. Other countries with more liberal drug laws have much lower rates of drug addiction among their people. I invite you to my web-page devoted to raising awareness on the assault on our civil liberties: http://freethegods.blogspot.com/

Marijuana prohibition has been a total failure and is perhaps this country's greatest mistake. Not only has it created criminals out of nearly a third of the country's populace, it costs our society billions of dollars every year, creates a strain on our prison system, and has little or no effect on marijuana use in the US. In some cases, prosecuting marijuana use has turned non-violent, middle class kids into violent and unpredictable, career criminals. Once a person has a criminal conviction on their record, they are far less likely to find a good job and become a useful member of society. Other countries with more liberal drug laws have much lower rates of drug addiction among their people. I invite you to my web-page devoted to raising awareness on the assault on our civil liberties: http://freethegods.blogspot.com/

Until these types of videos become honest with the subject matter, then they're not going to be taken seriously by the 'important' people. ONLY the positives of marijuana use are ever covered, but when negatives are discussed, it's the minor effects like: slow movement, poor memory, etc.

I've spoken in passing to a transthoracic surgeon about it in my work who have explained that 'pot lung' is common in such smokers. This is a thick oily coating left on the lung tissue due to the nature of the smoke, impairing function. Now, this effect may not be as deadly as cancer, but if it's enough to be of concern to a surgeon, then shouldn't we not skim over the details? Lets not be ignorant and think that injestion of any smoke in to the body has nil side-effect.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for ending the drug war and the legalisation of drugs - SO LONG AS there is education given to the public on exactly the pros/cons of each kind. This video seems little more than biased propoganda, or at least selective reading of the facts, to both of which I do not respond well.