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This whole thing would have been avoided had they just held the conference in a more remote place. With the money they spent on security, they could have BUILT a the appropriate facilities in some small town near an airport, and STILL have had enough left over for security. There was no reason to host it in the largest city in Canada. The group of black robed anarchist criminals said beforehand that they would be there and cause trouble, so why were they not dealt with before? Slight incompetence on the part of the Canadian Gov't.

I would say we as Americans could worry about this....if we took care of the same problems on our own soil. There are immigrants brought into the US (some illegal, some not) who are brought here sometimes by their own family members. They may be Mexican, Indian, etc...their relation who live in the US own a convenience store or dry cleaner, and they provide housing, and charge for meals. They set it up so these people might have a minimal amount left over if any, and basically get a worker whose wages go back into housing and food charges that they collect direct from the wages. Sometimes they got these people sleeping 5 and 6 to one small apartment. And that's taking place in the US.

Lots of really bad shit happens in the US, but somehow our news networks find it easier to investigate and report on other countries problems....maybe it's just easier for their audience to digest. Or maybe in this case....because it deals with some major company and not the Quickie Mart on the corner.

Lots of blatant problems and injustices happening in the US, and we're out policing the world like we know what the fuck we're doing.

>> ^NetRunner:

I've got plenty of anger to go around. I'm mad about the fact that there is an entire political party whose purpose is to eliminate responsibility for the rich, and eliminate rights for the poor. I'm mad that their opposition party can often be bribed by corporations to water down any attempts to fix things into near meaninglessness, and that a media-led populace of morons will condemn them all the way up one side and down the other for daring imply that corporations do evil things because, well, the corporate owned media doesn't like it when anti-corporate sentiments break out.
Even after all that, I've still got more than enough anger left over to direct at the people who actually inflicted this particular wound on us, and who're whining about how it's really made them have to put in a lot of long hours.
As for why the government hasn't "stepped in", this is actually part of the rub. See, we don't have a government-run oil company in America (even though virtually all other oil producing nations do), so we have to rely on private expertise in fixing the damn thing. Even as it is, I don't think people grasp this, but if there were easy ways to plug the leak, or even expensive ones, I guarantee it would've been done by now. We're looking, I believe, at the limits of what man can do, and apparently we can't plug a damaged well under water of this depth.
Maybe this will change people's opinion about the risks involved, and our need to get off oil. My read on how the media and the right is talking about this is that it hasn't really had that effect. Other than partially strengthening the left's resolve on the topic, I mostly see people who once proudly chanted "drill baby, drill" still saying the same thing, just slightly less brazenly.


I'm kinda glad to hear you don't buy into the whole "Democrats are saints, Repubs are sinners" bullshit, because enough people on here do. Like Seric said in the post above yours, many different companies were involved on and around the offshore drilling platform, so it will take a while to figure out whose fault it was. In any case, accidents happen, and those are the risks we take in echange for a steady oil supply.

I believe the government hasn't stepped in, because they don't want any blame to be directed at them. Right now the general public are aiming at BP and their incapability to secure the leak. You might be right when you say that BP may very well be doing everything humanly possible to stop the leak, but there might just as well be more capable people outside of BP who could do a better job. However the government would rather keep their hands relatively clean and instead scrutinize BP for their failing efforts. Typical behavior of politicians.

It would be great if this would indeed get people thinking about our oil dependency, especially since it is becoming more of a coffin nail every day. Unfortunately that goes way beyond the grasp of the general public and would first and foremost require people to look at their own squandering of resources and how it creates such an enormous demand for oil, which corporations will always look to profit from.

Nah, too complicated. They'll just blame BP's CEO for everything.

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^campionidelmondo:
I'm angry, too, but I think that anger is misdirected when you solely direct it at BP. Yes, they should pay damages, but that's not gonna prevent the next spill. Trust me, BP is just as pissed about the spill as we are, the only difference is that they'll continue to take high risks as long as it is financially feasible and tolerated by the government.
I've got plenty of anger to go around. I'm mad about the fact that there is an entire political party whose purpose is to eliminate responsibility for the rich, and eliminate rights for the poor. I'm mad that their opposition party can often be bribed by corporations to water down any attempts to fix things into near meaninglessness, and that a media-led populace of morons will condemn them all the way up one side and down the other for daring imply that corporations do evil things because, well, the corporate owned media doesn't like it when anti-corporate sentiments break out.
Even after all that, I've still got more than enough anger left over to direct at the people who actually inflicted this particular wound on us, and who're whining about how it's really made them have to put in a lot of long hours.
As for why the government hasn't "stepped in", this is actually part of the rub. See, we don't have a government-run oil company in America (even though virtually all other oil producing nations do), so we have to rely on private expertise in fixing the damn thing. Even as it is, I don't think people grasp this, but if there were easy ways to plug the leak, or even expensive ones, I guarantee it would've been done by now. We're looking, I believe, at the limits of what man can do, and apparently we can't plug a damaged well under water of this depth.
Maybe this will change people's opinion about the risks involved, and our need to get off oil. My read on how the media and the right is talking about this is that it hasn't really had that effect. Other than partially strengthening the left's resolve on the topic, I mostly see people who once proudly chanted "drill baby, drill" still saying the same thing, just slightly less brazenly.


Requiring the $500k acoustic switches that are required in Norway etc. would seemingly have prevented the spill.* If the far left hadn't defected from Gore in 2000 we would likely have had that regulation of the industry.

So the repercussions of that 'push even if it means we lose' strategy aren't just obvious things like the Iraq war and Alito and Roberts on the supreme court for the next 10-30 years.

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77pBcf0o444&feature=related
*http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/05/03/norway

>> ^campionidelmondo:

I'm angry, too, but I think that anger is misdirected when you solely direct it at BP. Yes, they should pay damages, but that's not gonna prevent the next spill. Trust me, BP is just as pissed about the spill as we are, the only difference is that they'll continue to take high risks as long as it is financially feasible and tolerated by the government.

I've got plenty of anger to go around. I'm mad about the fact that there is an entire political party whose purpose is to eliminate responsibility for the rich, and eliminate rights for the poor. I'm mad that their opposition party can often be bribed by corporations to water down any attempts to fix things into near meaninglessness, and that a media-led populace of morons will condemn them all the way up one side and down the other for daring imply that corporations do evil things because, well, the corporate owned media doesn't like it when anti-corporate sentiments break out.

Even after all that, I've still got more than enough anger left over to direct at the people who actually inflicted this particular wound on us, and who're whining about how it's really made them have to put in a lot of long hours.

As for why the government hasn't "stepped in", this is actually part of the rub. See, we don't have a government-run oil company in America (even though virtually all other oil producing nations do), so we have to rely on private expertise in fixing the damn thing. Even as it is, I don't think people grasp this, but if there were easy ways to plug the leak, or even expensive ones, I guarantee it would've been done by now. We're looking, I believe, at the limits of what man can do, and apparently we can't plug a damaged well under water of this depth.

Maybe this will change people's opinion about the risks involved, and our need to get off oil. My read on how the media and the right is talking about this is that it hasn't really had that effect. Other than partially strengthening the left's resolve on the topic, I mostly see people who once proudly chanted "drill baby, drill" still saying the same thing, just slightly less brazenly.

I'm surprised at you choggie. Those "you know who you are" lines are rather passive and indirect... doesn't suit you.

I don't have any shady doings here, really. @kronosposeidon and I have had 2 (entirely public) spats in the past, though I don't think there's any grudges left over from either. @LadyDeath took to harassing me on a regular basis after she took this downvote personally. I didn't hesitate to give it right back, though, and I guess that wasn't the mature thing to do. Eventually, though, it seems she had more fun harassing @LittleRed and @thepinky, so she left me alone. And of course, nothing has made this site more enjoyable for me than her absence.

I do wish I could hobble @ant for his constant misuse of NSFW invocations. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I could.

AGREED.

In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Well, we sure were well fed yesterday... and today too for that matter. God I love left-overs.

As brilliant as the lamb stew was, it was pretty simple to make. I think it's a universal truism that the best recipes the world over all came from peasant food.

In reply to this comment by laura:
duuuuuuuuuude...now I'm gonna have to try that ~ the peeps in your house are well fed, eh?

In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
For the record, I made that recipe for "Bea" (lamb) stew yesterday. Bought a butt-end leg of lamb, butchered it into chunks which gave me about 2 lbs of meat. Served it with garlic whipped potatoes, Irish soda bread, steamed cabbage and lots of pints to wash it down. Fokkin' delish.

Well, we sure were well fed yesterday... and today too for that matter. God I love left-overs.

As brilliant as the lamb stew was, it was pretty simple to make. I think it's a universal truism that the best recipes the world over all came from peasant food.

In reply to this comment by laura:
duuuuuuuuuude...now I'm gonna have to try that ~ the peeps in your house are well fed, eh?

In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
For the record, I made that recipe for "Bea" (lamb) stew yesterday. Bought a butt-end leg of lamb, butchered it into chunks which gave me about 2 lbs of meat. Served it with garlic whipped potatoes, Irish soda bread, steamed cabbage and lots of pints to wash it down. Fokkin' delish.

I've heard a lot about lobbyists in the USA and i'm starting to think it's an understated and covered up problem over here, or at least a growing one. Over here voting levels are very low, not many turn out to vote, and i think it's because of the lack of belief in the system - we always get lied to, but who are the liars in power this time?

As for weed legalisation, it's just the unpopular drug. Tobacco, alcohol - these are more harmful, but weed is just unpopular. This also ties into politics - last time i checked a 'democracy', if weed was popular and people wanted it, it would become legal yet we are forced to see people fined huge amounts and jailed depending on how much you have. We also have a case of Britain's TOP drug advisor saying "Weed and extacy are less harmful than drinking and smoking." -- this man was asked to be a drug advisor, he was asked his expert opinion and when he GAVE them his expert opinion they fired him! Get a new expert who will lie but say what we want him to say i guess.

Finally; that's the problem i guess. Prisoners should not be left idle, and it's good for them to stay active and also pay their own way + give them what's left over. But the people in charge are not trustworthy. So they get us to agree in principle, and then change the details when they implement.

In reply to this comment by enoch:
i agree and thats what my response was aiming at.
that so many who tacitly accept the fact and dehumanize "prisoners" without even looking into what a "prisoner" actually is.i was attempting to clarify that while we need prisons for those who are violent and are a detriment to society there is a vast population of non-violent offenders where jail does little more than fill the cell.corporate prisons are for-profit and has little to do with "rehabilitation" or "punishment" but everything to do with profits.these are the prisoners i was talking about,not the rapist or the armed bank robber but johnny slacker who dealt a little bit of weed.

the prison system has quietly become the 9th largest lobbyist in washington.they own and control 70% of americas prisons.it is not in their best interest to legalize weed or change the sentencing structure towards leniency.they actively pursue agressive laws and sentencing because it serves their interests.the public has little to do with their objectives.

as for the forced labor.i agree that idle minds can be a bad thing and keeping busy is a good thing.i dont agree that prisoners should be forced to participate in labor that benefits not only the corporate prisons but defense contractors as well.there are a few federal prisons that offer work and training for prisoners to learn a trade that pays a living wage but they are few and availability is limited.

2.3 million for a prison population is a city.the societal ramifications will not be felt for quite a few years but i would be willing to bet the outcome will not be positive.
in any case...thanks for clarifying and responding.
till next time.
namaste.

>> ^rkone:
I'm serious. The monitor is left over stuff, it's obviously not in use. Just like the guitar doesn't really belong on the ground in the corner, it's just stuff collecting.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the speed of cats. I'm certain you could find others on the sift moving just as fast.


I live with 7 of them. Had 8 at one point. I know my cats, and they don't move that fast from a dead stop.

I'm serious. The monitor is left over stuff, it's obviously not in use. Just like the guitar doesn't really belong on the ground in the corner, it's just stuff collecting.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the speed of cats. I'm certain you could find others on the sift moving just as fast.

Because after spending 1k on that, you'll have plenty of cash left over for home decoration.