A vicious cycle.

Blacks and latinos get arrested for nothing. Then crime statistics (which are based on arrests) for these groups get high. Then people say blacks and latinos are responsible for most crime. Then cops say they must arrest more blacks and latinos.

Rinse repeat.

I'd say any of the above. Also, we need a Viva Latino(a) channel.

Whoever made this ad isn't trying hard enough.

I see all the basic criminal sub-races represented; Tyrone is there and his Latino and Asian gangland peers. But it just doesn't feel like middle class, white, christian conservative stereotyping of minorities without a 3rd generation single welfare mother with 6 kids living in public housing.

Perhaps a little more research next time if you really want to sell your game to side-huggers.

This made my day. This morning I wrote a similar thing he now (yesterday evening in USA) talks about

It's interesting whenever one of these arguments comes up. "How can the GOP attract Latino voters" or "How can the democratic party attract black voters". It's simply trying to MARKET to certain groups of people a certain way.

In a functioning democracy the question should be "How can the GOP represent the Latino community better?"

I just wanted to post the same video you did (http://videosift.com/video/Audience-at-GOP-Debate-Cheers-Letting-Sick-Man-Die)



Here's another gem: http://videosift.com/video/Rick-Santorum-How-GOP-Can-Attract-Latino-Voters

I strongly suggest giving Canada a try if one of these people wins

@swedishfriend

1. "Compared to their native Swedish peers, immigrant students, on average, have weaker education outcomes at all levels of education. Nearing the end of compulsory education, at age 15, there are very significant performance disadvantages for immigrant students." Source.



2a. Generally, in the modern era, the achievement gap between the descendants of immigrants and the host population correlates with the achievement gap between the immigrants' nation of origin and the host nation. For example, expect US achievement gaps to be with us for the long-term:
NYT: "Triumph Fades on Racial Gap in City Schools"

2b. US school test scores are virtually the best in the world once you break down test scores by region of ancestry. Asian Americans do better than Asians in Asia; Latino Americans do better than Latinos in Latin America; African Americans do better than Africans in Africa; European Americans do better than Europeans in Europe. The illusion that US scores aren't the best in the world is caused by the demographic composition of the US, not by US school policy.

2c. Indeed, as expected from the US's dominance of international test scores (once broken down by country of origin), descendants of Swedes living in Minnesota significantly outperform Swedes living in Sweden. (Search that post for "achievement gap" to read more about the achievement gap in Sweden between natives and descendants of immigants.)



3. Exceptions: US Muslims, such as Iranian-Americans, significantly outperform other US groups, including the majority group, because they were drawn from high performers in their country of origin, such as scientists.

and japanese people get more excited about these sorts of things than latino sports commentators and football

Whether or not this is a police state is a relative question. Your class, your race, and where in the country you live can all be factors. In the Guliani days, I would argue that parts of NYC was a police state for some poor youth in some parts of the city. In Georgia, they just created a law that tries to create a police state for latinos.

Over the last ten years, I have seen bad cop behavior migrate, so that lower classes, the lighter skinned ethnic groups, and people in more states are starting to be victimized by it.

@longde "I bet latinos and blacks in Cali wish they could suffer the atrocities you say Asians have."

Nobody would want to go from receiving huge SAT bonuses to receiving the 140-450 point SAT disadvantage that Asian minorities receive.

It seems hard to defend that kind of deliberate racism instead of advocating affirmative action be based on parental income.

@chilaxe

"atrocious racial discrimination"

You mean little Johnny will have to go to Davis instead of Berkeley. Or Notre Dame instead of UCLA. Or (gasp!) De Anza instead of San Jose State. Oh the horrors!!!! Yeah, its worse than the Japanese Internment. Is that all? I bet latinos and blacks in Cali wish they could suffer the atrocities you say Asians have instead of the ones they are saddled with.

@bareboards2 As you can see, chilaxe has a major bone to pick with Affirmative Action, especially the forms which benefit latinos and blacks, but not some Asian groups. Implying that blacks and latinos may still suffer from mass bias in society would weaken some of his criticisms of those programs. So, he must raise the bar for racism, requiring explicit evidence for a phenom that has very subtle forms today.

I have lived in the south, as well as the San Fran Bay Area, and I am very familiar with the attitude that would have someone overreact over a petty crime. Apparently, it has gone over Chilaxe's head the fact that these boys will be overpunished for a petty crime, and this may have some bearing in bias against them or their group.

He calls them repeat criminals (proof?). I say they are stupid kids. I know plenty of people of all races who committed crimes in their high school or college youth, but went on to live productive lives. Only a subset of them (guess which) are given snap labels like 'offender' or 'criminal'. Nothing to do with race, though.........

It would not change my mind. Whatever the source, the sift should not by default become place of hostility for black (or asian, or white, or muslim, or latino, et al.) people by bigots who hide behind "free speech" to spread hate speech. This is not stormfront.

Regardless if we can see the logic in it or reason behind it, most African Americans would be highly offended by BK's remark; also by so many sifters jumping up to defend that putrid behavior. Unless we want a site where only white people congregate and feel comfortable, that type of hate speech should be highly regulated, if not prohibited.

I wonder would people be so tolerant and supportive of BK if he spouted some crazy anti-semetic drivel. What if snide or subtle anti-semetic comments popped up all the time? Would we feel comfortable on this site? Burd's point is that that is what is happening wrt anti-black speech.

But really, I think the biggest target of bigotry on the sift is muslims. We have whole sets of videos depricating muslims under the excuse of being anti-religion. But the tenor of the anti-muslim comments and videos is much more debased than the anti-christian ones. Christians on this site are regularly presented as buffoons; but muslims are regularly characterized as dirty, dangerous animals. Look at the roster of videos if you don't believe me. Compared to this, the anti-black bigots are just the icing on the shit cake.


>> ^smooman:
Im curious tho if your mind would change if bk was black

@grinter

Are you saying Jews/Latinos/Asians don't need to have the opportunity to be on basketball teams because they're naturally not as good at it? Wouldn't that mean that if Asians and Jews were naturally better at academics, they should be able to occupy all the seats at the top universities? I don't think that's what we want to argue.

@longde

1. What do you mean Asian Americans don't experience discrimination? They're demonstrably racistly discriminated against as a matter of official policy.

2. Most Asian Americans aren't Hmong, and the group averages are still true. Feel free to stop making references to Whites, Latinos, or Blacks, since those groups have much variance within them, and then we can finally make affirmative action based on income instead of self-reinforcing tribalistic concepts.

3a. Everybody has to develop their human capital if they want to be skilled in advancing in the business world. I read a dozen books (or audiobooks) per year on how to do it, and I think about it constantly, trying new things, writing down my thoughts, and improving on my (many) past mistakes.

3b. People can use anything as a crutch, and when something goes wrong, which is a constant part of life, they attribute it to that crutch. They then won't develop their full potential. We should probably have affirmative action based on height, beauty, and likable personality (if you believe in affirmative action), and if we'd rather be born as Will Smith (Hollywood's highest paid actor) than Paul Giamatti, these are more significant crutches than what sub-culture we belong to.