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Trump Is Immune - LegalEagle analysis

newtboy says...

WRONG.
The invalid and corrupt SCOTUS changed the law to make “official acts” by one person, the president, above the law, can’t even be scrutinized…which has NEVER been the case, indeed our government was designed to avoid exactly that. NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW has been the American motto since its inception. That creed has now been invalidated by this unfathomable decision which adds the asterisk “*except the president when acting officially” while intentionally leaving open the question of what is an official act and what isn’t, allowing for uneven, unequal, inconsistent application based on politics or payoffs, not law or facts.

They did say acts by the POTUS in or outside their authority can be prostituted…legalizing bribery so long as the policy change comes before the final check. A Freudian slip you got correct. That was another change this extremist court just made.

Once again since you cannot read or comprehend what you’ve been told repeatedly, the position was not fear mongering about hypotheticals, it was pointing out the specific anti democratic crimes already committed and those promised by one candidate in their campaign of retribution against the non cultists…the exact examples brought up during arguement that were just determined to be legal, like the assassination of a political rival by the military. That is not hypothetical now, they ruled on it precisely.

LIAR.

No President has ever needed immunity for official acts before Trump because none ever tried to commit felonies then hide behind their authority as president (Nixon tried, but like Trump his crimes were definitely unofficial acts not official no matter how he tried to make them official, not presidential orders but campaign activities just like the coup, but he had the moral fortitude to step down and go away, Trump would rather burn it all down.)

Explain why Trump needs immunity if he didn’t commit crimes.

bobknight33 said:

SCOTUS upheld what always been. Acts done with in POTUS authority are immune from prosecution. Acts done outside of POTUS authority can be criminal and prostituted. Nothing changed nothing added nothing removed.
From the SCOTUS ruling " the dissents position in the end boil down ignoring the Constitution's separation of powers and the Courts precedent and instead fear mongering of extreme hypotheticals.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

What felon and rapist repeatedly raped a 13 year old girl who looked just like then 13 year old Ivanka?


Credible accusations, dates he was at the island getting naked girl “massages”, she went into hiding after credible death threats from MAGA. This is the felon and rapist you emulate.

Supreme Court ruling on Donald Trump immunity

newtboy says...

From his Supreme Court hearing-
“No one is above the law, that’s a foundational principal I’ve talked about coming from Federalist 69, coming from the structure of the constitution. We are all equal under the law in the United States Of America.
The foundation of our constitution was, as Hamilton explained in Federalist 69, “the Presidency would not be a monarchy” and it specified all the ways under the constitution the president is not above the law, no one is above the law in the United States of America.”
“The president is subject to the law, no one is above the law in the United States of America including the president of the United States and that’s something that is made clear in Federalist 69.
Even in a national security context where the constitution gives the commander in chief power to the president, the president remains subject to the law. The president is not above the law with respect to the criminal process.”
“No one is above the law in our constitutional system. Federalist 69, Hamilton, makes clear all the ways that the executive branch as designed by the framers of the constitution was different from the monarchy.” - Kavenaugh

Now that he’s hearing the case- “The president is not subject to the law, and is not only above the law both criminal and civil when performing official duties, but any actions claimed to have been performed as official duties may not be used as evidence or even investigated, even in cases where they broke the law unofficially outside any possible official duty, no matter how exculpatory or illegal those official actions were (like murdering a witness (Epstein)), and if the president so chooses they may convert to a monarchy at their whim, so long as they claim it’s official.”

This is a complete 180 from what he said at his confirmation, just like Barrett claiming at her confirmation Supreme Court precedent was settled law not to be revisited then revisiting and reversing dozens of decades old precedents.

SCOTUS is invalid so long as those on it believe they are above the law and allowed to sell judgements to the highest bidder, something every single right wing justice but no Left wing justice has been PROVEN to have done, some to the tune of tens of millions….and lied on sworn statements about it for decades too.

bobknight33 said:

SCOTUS upheld what always been. Acts done with in POTUS authority are immune from prosecution. Acts done outside of POTUS authority can be criminal and prostituted. Nothing changed nothing added nothing removed.

From the SCOTUS ruling " the dissents position in the end boil down ignoring the Constitution's separation of powers and the Courts precedent and instead fear mongering of extreme hypotheticals."

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

The just released Epstein call logs have uncountable messages from Don the con almost daily in 2004 (exactly when it was already known by prosecutors Epstein was actively running the child prostitution ring he was convicted for in 06) setting up “massage appointments” with Epstein’s girls at his kiddie rape island where flight logs prove he visited at LEAST 7 times on Epstein’s plane (we don’t know how often he took his own plane there, but often).
I know…you will say these rich Republicans were flying for hours to a private island where a child prostitution ring operated for years for LEGITIMATE MASSAGES with 13 year old girls and not pedophilic debauchery or anything else untoward…because they couldn’t get legitimate massages on the mainland? REALLY!? 😂

After months of shouting how only their/your felon was absent from the (at the time unreleased) Epstein lists…Crickets from the “THINK OF THE CHILDREN” brigade. Not one word from the right about disgraced Trump beingTHE MOST PROMINENTLY AND OFTEN MENTIONED PERSON ON THE LIST OF CHILD PROSTITUTION CLIENTS, with near daily recorded correspondence with Epstein and his madams and constant “massages” booked at the island. Suddenly releasing the Epstein files isn’t important, and we should forget what we already know and just move on because child rape isn’t really a crime…not if Trump did it.

At this point I expect right after the election the tapes of Epstein clients murdering infants for adrenochrome will be released because literally every accusation is an admission, even the completely bat shit crazy ones! HOLY FUCK!

Let’s also not forget The Spirit Of New York in 91 when Trump and other old rich men partied hard and sexy with unchaperoned young girls as young as 13 on a yacht. It’s not a one time thing or misunderstanding, there are decades of evidence directly from the man himself showing how he loves little girls sexually, and I mean pre-pubescent 13 year old girls like the one who says he raped her on the island…never retracted but she dropped her case because she and her family were constantly being threatened with murder by maggots and couldn’t get protection.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

@newtboy said: Lied to? How so….be specific.

As expected, you cannot answer because you just spew nonsense like a brain damaged infant….as usual.

Bonus- American Muck Rakers about two years ago launched a website with information suggesting that Lauren Bobert had been an escort on a sugar daddy website, that she had had multiple abortions, and that she engaged in illegal drug usage at the time.

Boebert insisted she was going to sue them and their donors…but didn’t. They sued her for defamation…and she just settled with them and paid Muckrakers who had the story about her being a drug addled hooker who has had multiple abortions (and who has performed public sex acts in front of children REPEATEDLY…once on camera) correct in the first place. They claimed to have lost 90% of their donations due to the threat, so it’s likely a big settlement…and isn’t she already bankrupt, having closed her failed business, sold the house in the divorce, and can’t even afford a criminal attorney for her unemployed criminal son who is also a teenage father and neighborhood menace? Isn’t agreeing to pay them a settlement and never filing a suit herself an admission that their reporting was accurate, and she is a drug using hooker who has had multiple abortions…everything she rails against?

bobknight33 said:

@newtboy

Again you have been lied to by the fake news and Democrat party.

Supreme Court ruling on Donald Trump immunity

newtboy says...

Lied to? How so….be specific.

😂 Reiterate the oblivious 😂….um…yes. The oblivious felon did make this claim first, the oblivious “justices” did reiterate.

So why is Trump celebrating like he just got a get out of jail free card?


This is not how it’s always been, before this ruling official acts still had to be lawful…not anymore. As long as they’re official acts, they are legal (as far as penalties are concerned) no matter what the law says. That’s what they ruled.
Edit: They did not give the disgraced ex president his claimed total immunity however…if the courts decide fomenting a coup was not an official presidential act, or falsifying documents for fake electors is not an official president’s act, or secretly pressuring a governor to “find” 11000+ votes is not an official presidential act, or taking and withholding classified state secrets and lying about having them to the FBI and actively hiding them from warranted searches after he was no longer president are not official presidential acts, then he still has some serious legal trouble to add to whatever happens next week at his sentencing.

As long as the President is using official powers, what he uses them for cannot be questioned. Biden could assassinate Trump like he claims Biden tried to do 100% legally now, and Thomas, and Alito, and the other corrupt “justices” that invalidated a long cherished institution for money, and anyone he thinks threatens America…100% immune because protecting the nation is a Presidential duty.
Fortunately Trump tried to hide most of his crimes by using unofficial orders to non governmental agents through unofficial channels, so he’s got an uphill climb to argue they are official acts.
The issues listed in the dissent are not extreme or hypothetical, they are in fact campaign promises by the convicted felon and terrorist leader and specific examples argued by the Trump lawyers as things that are (now) legal…like assassination of a political rival.
The court just couldn’t help but try to minimize its extremist ruling that upends 248 years of the rule of law and puts the president above the law when using presidential powers (like assassinations, or cancelling elections, jailing political rivals, disbanding the border patrol, etc.) by calling threats made by those who have followed through on those exact same threats before “fear mongering of extreme hypotheticals"
The president refusing to accept the election results and trying to seize or hold onto power illegally was one example…not extreme or hypothetical or fear mongering, it fucking happened, and this ruling means it may be legal (if considered official).

Biden damn well better make use of this immunity to save democracy or maybe he deserves to lose, he now has carte Blanche to pull anything, absolutely anything as long as he says it’s for America, everything is allowed, nothing is forbidden. I’m worried he has morals and won’t use these new unlimited assassination and coup powers…very worried. I know for an absolute certainty that the other guy doesn’t.

bobknight33 said:

@newtboy

Again you have been lied to by the fake news and Democrat party.

Sadly this had to go to the Supreme court just to reiterate the oblivious. When will you learn -- you are always being lied to about Trump.



SCOTUS upheld what always been. Acts done with in POTUS authority are immune from prosecution. Acts done outside of POTUS authority can be criminal and prostituted. Nothing changed nothing added nothing removed.
From the SCOTUS ruling " the dissents position in the end boil down ignoring the Constitution's separation of powers and the Courts precedent and instead fear mongering of extreme hypotheticals."

Supreme Court ruling on Donald Trump immunity

bobknight33 says...

@newtboy

Again you have been lied to by the fake news and Democrat party.

Sadly this had to go to the Supreme court just to reiterate the oblivious. When will you learn -- you are always being lied to about Trump.



SCOTUS upheld what always been. Acts done with in POTUS authority are immune from prosecution. Acts done outside of POTUS authority can be criminal and prostituted. Nothing changed nothing added nothing removed.
From the SCOTUS ruling " the dissents position in the end boil down ignoring the Constitution's separation of powers and the Courts precedent and instead fear mongering of extreme hypotheticals."

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

As true today as it was over 5 1/2 years ago when I said it….

“There is no winning your opponent to your side when your opponent doesn't even believe their own argument. Bob applauds what he angrily railed against just 2.1 years ago and denounces the exact same tactics he defended. His arguments aren't rational or capable of contradiction, they're feelings he won't defend against facts except with occasional whataboutism....feelings he hopes will make you distrustful of all right wingers, I think that's why he's comes here, he thinks he has an audience of lefties that will believe the right is as silly and deluded as he claims, and some are, but the purpose certainly seems to be sewing division, not comprehension, certainly not unity.”

-it has worked, those who still call themselves Republicans have mortgaged their morals and ethics and are silly and deluded and wholly untrustworthy. Hopefully that’s a small enough portion that winning elections will be impossible, it looks likely.

Biden Brings Felon On Stage

newtboy says...

It’s hardly fun anymore since every accusation is an admission. There’s no sense of accomplishment for figuring it out anymore, it’s literally every single accusation is something they’re doing because they have no imagination whatsoever, they just look at what they’re hiding and pretend their enemy is the one hiding it. I need them to come up with a new ploy, this one is stale and boring.

surfingyt said:

newtboy you know youre winning when the best this moron can do it go "nah ahh your guy does that."

lol bob you are such a LAH-WHO-SER. this election is gonna be fun watching you cry again.

Biden Brings Felon On Stage

newtboy says...

“Fined for mishandling the payment “?
She hired a law firm and classified the payment as legal fees. Isn’t that something your side says isn’t a crime? 😂
The dossier was bought and paid for by Republicans, then sold to the Clinton Campaign. I know you hate that fact, but it’s there.

The laptop contents are fantasy, as is the diary. Half truths and pure fiction. Shouldn’t have tampered with it if you wanted anyone to pay attention….not that it would matter anyway, Hunter is nobody.

The economy crashed under the felon, it got better under Biden. Trump can get credit for the first 6-12 months of the next president’s economy which were not good, but absolutely not last 12 which so far are amazing, far better than the last guy’s best year.

Michael Flynn was convicted of treasonous activity and the felon Trump pardoned him because he did the treason for Trump, namely negotiating with Russia in December before his administration started then lying about it to the FBI.

The Biden’s did no such thing and your multiple investigations have found zero evidence of any payoffs nor a single time Biden changed policy to help China, that was Don and Ivanka who were given millions in patents then the next morning changed policy to favor China, then were gifted more million dollar patents. You can’t point to any untoward or even questionable payment after 4 full years of investigations. At best you just refuse to hear the verified explanations and make up crimes.

Trump lost jobs. He left a negative gdp and recession. Shelves went bare under the felon. Over 1 million Americans died due to his policy according to his own CDC. He added more to the debt and deficit in one term than any listed president did in two. The wannabe dictator left the nation more divided than any time since the 1850s and continues to sew division constantly. Trump was worse than any you listed by any measure. You simply deny the facts.

Nice pedophile fantasy you have there, every accusation is an admission, but not smart especially since Trump definitely fucked his daughter and has bragged about it publicly for decades, Barron is definitely her son, the resemblance is there but not with Melania. Trump is on the Epstein list more than anyone else but Maxwell who he still wishes well…know who isn’t? Biden. Trump is an adjudicated rapist with now 40 accusers. Know who isn’t? One has 34 felony convictions…which one was that? 😂

BTW- the first few post debate polls are out…Biden gained a few points after the debate. Enjoy!

bobknight33 said:

The Russia hoax was just that. Bought and paid for by hilly Clinton, and she got fined for mishandling the payment .

The Laptop IS real. The diary is real

The Economy did get better.
Michael Flynn took a shit deal. along with all the others

.


Biden sold America to China and Ukraine and lined the pockets of himself and his family.

Trump still a better POTUS than OBAMA, Biden or wannabee Clinton.

Joe showered with his daughter. Pedophile Joe is your man.

Biden Brings Felon On Stage

bobknight33 says...

The Russia hoax was just that. Bought and paid for by hilly Clinton, and she got fined for mishandling the payment .

The Laptop IS real. The diary is real

The Economy did get better.
Michael Flynn took a shit deal. along with all the others.


Biden sold America to China and Ukraine and lined the pockets of himself and his family.

Trump still a better POTUS than OBAMA, Biden or wannabee Clinton.

Joe showered with his daughter. Pedophile Joe is your man.


bcglorf said:

@bobknight33

Biden crushingly lost the debate....

But that doesn't make Trump's lies true. It doesn't make Trump the better candidate.

Trumps "Russia, Russia, Russia" lie like the entire investigation into him was a hoax is only one of many things that should disqualify him for office. Not just that he's lying about the investigation, but because of the revelations of the investigation itself. The reality of the investigation is SO bad for him that he has to just declare an alternate reality where it's all a lie.

The truth though is that 34 people were indicted as a result of the investigation into the Trump campaign embracing Russian support. 8 of those have plead guilty or been convicted.

The reality got much worse though, as many of those from Trump's campaign were convicted of obstruction of justice, perjury and witness tampering. In return for their committing crimes to cover other crimes, Trump went ahead and granted them pardons... It's beyond imagination.

That's not the bottom though, there is no bottom. Michael Flynn was one of Trump's loyalists that plead guilty to perjury to protect Trump and thus earned a pardon from Trump. After being pardoned Flynn came back to show his continued loyalty to Trump, and after Trump lost the election, promoted a plan for Trump to declare a national emergency, implement martial law, declare the results of the election irrecoverable and initiate a new election vote this time conducted by the military.

So on seeing that plan promoted, Trump invited Flynn to the Whitehouse to advising sessions on handling the election loss...

There is NO bottom to where Trump will go. He's already a convicted felon, and has yet to be convicted or tried for the most egregious of the things he's done.

AND it is also try that he annihilated Biden in this debate.

Doesn't make him a better president.

Biden Brings Felon On Stage

newtboy says...

Um…Biden wasn’t in the 2016 debate. Derp. I see, your mental state also is in direct line with the felon, just like your morals. Reminder…in 2016 Trump debated Clinton. Another reminder, Trump was president in 2020, but he blamed most of it’s disasters on Biden last night. Huh?

The laptop was real, its contents were unverifiable at best, total fabrications planted by Giuliani and his cohorts at worst. Maybe handing it to the Russian intelligence community before turning it over to the FBI was dumb? Maybe taking possession at all was dumb? I ask you, would you ever accept evidence of Trump crimes that had gone through Biden’s hands, been sent to Ukraine and tampered with, exposed in the media, and only then turned over to authorities?
I’ll answer for you…no you wouldn’t…proven because you don’t even accept evidence directly collected by the authorities with video.

The laptop again. Like Barron’s birth certificate that shows Ivanka as mother?

bobknight33 said:

The Laptop was real the the 50 intelligence officials who signed off as Russian hoax was a hoax on the American people to help Joe win. This hoax was for Joe to have a talking point to refute for the 2016 debate.

Biden Brings Felon On Stage

bcglorf says...

@bobknight33

Biden crushingly lost the debate....

But that doesn't make Trump's lies true. It doesn't make Trump the better candidate.

Trumps "Russia, Russia, Russia" lie like the entire investigation into him was a hoax is only one of many things that should disqualify him for office. Not just that he's lying about the investigation, but because of the revelations of the investigation itself. The reality of the investigation is SO bad for him that he has to just declare an alternate reality where it's all a lie.

The truth though is that 34 people were indicted as a result of the investigation into the Trump campaign embracing Russian support. 8 of those have plead guilty or been convicted.

The reality got much worse though, as many of those from Trump's campaign were convicted of obstruction of justice, perjury and witness tampering. In return for their committing crimes to cover other crimes, Trump went ahead and granted them pardons... It's beyond imagination.

That's not the bottom though, there is no bottom. Michael Flynn was one of Trump's loyalists that plead guilty to perjury to protect Trump and thus earned a pardon from Trump. After being pardoned Flynn came back to show his continued loyalty to Trump, and after Trump lost the election, promoted a plan for Trump to declare a national emergency, implement martial law, declare the results of the election irrecoverable and initiate a new election vote this time conducted by the military.

So on seeing that plan promoted, Trump invited Flynn to the Whitehouse to advising sessions on handling the election loss...

There is NO bottom to where Trump will go. He's already a convicted felon, and has yet to be convicted or tried for the most egregious of the things he's done.

AND it is also try that he annihilated Biden in this debate.

Doesn't make him a better president.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

And another one…
Former North Dakota Sen. Ray Holmberg has signed an agreement indicating he will plead guilty to a child sex tourism charge.
It sounds like he repeatedly went to Prague on state funded trips with the intent to have sex with young (pre pubescent) children.
He was caught when he was corresponding with another convicted child predator trying to procure child porn.
He got a sweetheart deal to plead guilty to just the one charge and only get 3 years in prison despite the charges calling for 30. More two tiered justice with the Republican millionaire getting the kid glove treatment.

Again, ANOTHER TOP REPUBLICAN has ADMITTED to being an ACTIVE CHILD RAPIST.
How many high level Democrats have been convicted of child rape this century? Why have SO MANY top level Republicans plead guilty to child rape this century?

Biden Brings Felon On Stage

newtboy says...

lol. You claim CNN states Biden lost but post a clip from the NYPost of him “hitting back” on his 36 felony convictions (and 50+ more charges) by pointing to Hunter’s 3. WHAT!? Does he know who the candidate is? 😂
Biden lost the fight for live fact checking, but that’s all he lost. Trump was his normal lying and ranting self. Tomorrow’s fact checking will show 90% of his statements were lies, but that doesn’t matter to you, we know, because you share his (total lack of) morals.
The choice is thriving democracy or crumbling despotic monarchy, and that’s no choice.
Biden wasn’t my choice for 2020, he wouldn’t be my first choice in 2024, but given the choice between him and a convicted felon whose second term will be a vitriolic and violent attack against half of America and may never end, I and tens of millions more would vote for Biden if he was drooling in his oatmeal incapable of speaking, and I’m certain it would be better for the country.

So sad…just grasping at nothing in desperation. It’s ok…we all know who you’re voting for, and we all know better.

bobknight33 said:

CNN states Biden lost the debate. Even they turned on Joe.



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