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New Rule: Words Matter | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

newtboy says...

There’s a difference between “racist” and “biased”. IMO, that’s what Bill is saying.

(To be clear, the difference I’m standing on here is racist implies it intentionally targets one race, biased in this context means while it may inadvertently impact one group, that is not the intent.)

Standardized testing is biased towards those with better educational opportunities….not any particular race. It just so happens one “race” is far more likely to have fewer educational opportunities on average….but that’s not the test’s fault or design, nor the student’s, and is not MEANT to target anyone by race. It just measures what you know….what you’ve been taught.

When it comes to SATs, they don’t take into account the educational opportunities people may not have had, and so aren’t a great measure of a student’s ability to learn, but are a measure of what they’ve learned. As such, they are a good metric for colleges to use in admissions, but are also sorely lacking when it comes to identifying ability. That means they should not be the ONLY measure used in admissions, but are still a useful tool for colleges.

I’m all for color blind admissions, if they measure ability as well as wrote knowledge, finding a way to measure how well they made use of the opportunities to learn they were presented….no matter what their skin color or economic status. So far, I don’t believe any such measure exists.

Really, I’m all for free jr college for anyone. It’s cheap, $150 a semester the last time I went, probably double that now, still a bargain. Most people drop out before year 3, so that’s a great way to allow everyone the opportunity for higher education without the expense…and frees up 4 year colleges to eliminate year 1&2 and teach more people who might graduate.

bcglorf said:

@newtboy,

One of Mayers examples is calling out headlines about SAT's being inherently racist as false. Isn't that something you've told me you felt strongly about? I know we had discussion on including race in college admissions, and you against a race/color blind admission process as that was too pro-white. Seems it's not wrong on at least that point to say Maher's ruffling feathers with the left?

As US Withdraws from Afghanistan, Refugees Must Be Evacuated

luxintenebris jokingly says...

first: a small request; Bob, use a spelling/grammar program.
https://tinyurl.com/4nkfbzaa

second: a sincere observation; when has TT ever mentioned Afghanistan before? checked only the last 10 years of his posted comments.* Nix. Nil. Notta. More dead air than normal.

* [the Beck prediction is in the same league as bob's 'landslide' prognostication. the swing & miss league.]

then a few questions about his contentions...

- now he is concern about the Afghani women? too weird coming from our own Tali-ban-abortion tribesmen.
- would he know the mechanisms of the 25th? what the requirements are? obviously, stupidity isn't one. (orange you glad?!)


none of the events should have surprised anyone. personally, it was a bit like déjà vu. although not lived through, but seen easily with the mind's eye. highly predictable by many, long ago, and not so much psychic ability as an inevitability.

believe that the US presence did make an impression on the Afghanis. just hearing today's Taliban leadership words are so unlike those 20 years ago it's heartening. remember these were the folks that blew up historical items in the name of Mohammed/Allah. total trocklidites. at least they've learned PR and some knowledge of how the rest of the world views them.

will know how successful, if the country moves to the 17, 18, or 19th century? how will they keep the boy/girl on the opium farm after they've seen the big city?


what should happen, not in another country, but this one, is that the USA returns to a draft. or some required national service. the 'privatization' of the military and the all-volunteer service is a corrupt failure.

too many times, too many people talked about iraq/afghanstan and knew of NO service person serving there.

return it back to a collection of representation of ALL sections of the American people. when we don't know a single person in the conflict, the majority loses connection.

then, what should have been 3 years becomes 20 years.

can't find the speech but Geo Mason once talked about this very situation. essentially, he said; right now all levels of society are present in our fight for freedom, but what about the future?

he questioned whether the defense of the country would continue to be all citizens or descend into 'higher-ups' calling the shots and the lower in society actually doing the fighting and dying.

the last two wars have answered this.

'draft dodger' use to be derision, now it's a class of people.

(clinton, bush jr, trump...just to name a few)

in short, we ALL should have had a literally 'dog in the fight' that affects ALL of us. then, maybe, it ends when it is supposed to...or we try to lead by example instead of pounding bombs on people that don't want 'our way of life'...or we aren't so easily mislead as citizens.

it could be the one very powerful connection for ALL of the American people to keep ALL of US united.

* * * *
this is where I'd put a (but can't find an example of it) David Letterman monologue link where he said (believe it was Iraq, but still good as a comment on Afghanistan) to the effect of..."And the administration says we're going to bring democracy to them, upgrade their infrastructure, and improve their schools! And they say if it works there we're gonna try it here!"

so instead, something for the kids...
https://youtu.be/3XoIDGs11kE?t=198

2011. not a new thing kiddies. roll that reality over your blistered tongues.

What did Reagan think about the right to vote?

noseeem jokingly says...

Although I'd agree that Reagan's administration was engrained with corruption, there is some serious competition from Nixon. *

Also just seems to be the nature of the Beast. Nixon, Reagan, Bush Jr., and Orange-U-Glad-I-Ain't-President. All involved with numerous scandals, corrupt Administrators, and some serious charges of being war criminals in the mix as well.

Almost unavoidable when Republicans come to power. As Rumsfeld noted, you go to war with the army you have.

*Tea Pot Dome Scandal in the 20th Century running also.

robdot said:

Reagan had the most corrupt administration in history . Only to be outdone by trump. Google it. He was also a senile old man who barely knew where he was. We made Star Wars,because he saw it in a movie. Even though everyone said it wouldn’t work,and it never has.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Aaaahaha. Have you seen Eric's interview yesterday trying to defend Weisselberg? He's so dumb he actually publicly admitted the company paid him under the table and gave him millions in unreported perks and salary to avoid taxes....$3.5 million in unreported salary with cars, opulent houses, tuition for his family members totalling $359,058, etc. Eric doesn't think >$3.5 million hidden from the IRS is even an infraction....that's more than the average worker makes in their lifetime....Imagine if you fraudulently reported never making a dime your entire career, imagine if a Democrat did that....what should happen to such a criminal? What should happen to the business owner who organised the secret payments?

It makes one wonder how much Eric doesn't report if $3.5 million hidden from the IRS is nothing to him. He, Don jr, and Ivanka were all top level executives during Weisselberg's time there, and all received the same off the books compensation or more, and also had oversight over all these illicit secret payments just like Daddy....prosecutors have the secret record books, Weisselberg left them for his estranged daughter to find and turn over...that's where these charges come from, their own off the books records their crooked accountant kept at home. Expect them to be next, and do you really think they won't flip on Daddy to avoid prison? LMFAHS!

Hilariously he, in efforts to minimise these massive massive financial crimes, admitted his father personally paid Weisselberg's family's tuition as a company perk with personal checks signed by Don himself, indicating there's physical evidence of daddy's personal involvement in a long term tax fraud scheme that's not just felony tax fraud but grand larceny.

And we haven't even gotten to the bank frauds Trump's already publicly admitted to, overvaluing properties on loan forms, then undervaluing them on tax forms. He calls it good business and claims everyone does it, not tax and banking fraud that are serious felonies most people wouldn't even consider. It's sure going to be a fun couple of years watching the whole group go bankrupt and to prison.

Imagine if Clinton had done this...how many congressional investigations would we have had by now? Instead, Republicans don't even want to know what happened Jan 6, probably because any investigations will show their involvement in the failed coup, that's definitely how it looks. They certainly don't want to know about Trump's tax and bank frauds because a felon can't be president and they've got no one else.

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TangledThorns (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Try again, troll. It's on Trump Jr's rumble page, and now the entire unedited video is posted instead of the cut version. All real.

Anyways, we all know Biden doesn't practice nepotism like Trump, so whatever problems his son may or may not have are moot, unlike the Trump's that were all deeply involved in Daddy's administration and who all took tens of millions in foreign bribes to sell out America in the deals they set up and Daddy agreed to.

Also, let's not forget the main player left supporting the election fraud fraud actually is a long term, heavy, and admitted crack head. That crack head as Trump's right hand man and advisor doesn't seem to bother you, just like Don Jr's long time public coke and crack habits don't.

TangledThorns said:

Good try at a deep fake, not. Anyways, we all know President Biden's son is the real crack head.

Trump Jr High As A Kite Rambling Nonsense

luxintenebris jokingly says...

...like on cue.

it's a cult. to a point of religion.

just for fun (practice for t.t.) think what would happen if Hunter met up w/Jr? one addict to another. would Hunter help or Jr ask for help? a good outcome would make a great Lifetime story.

in all truth, hope Jr gets help. not in a rush to pile on. divorced, rumors of him being cuckold by s.s. agent, the inevitable breakup from that screaming harpy...his role in life is becoming a gutter ball.

can't be easy for the kids either. when is some hockey puck gonna call their daddy a crack head?

TangledThorns said:

Good try at a deep fake, not. Anyways, we all know President Biden's son is the real crack head.

[not a fake. rumble published it.]

Trump Jr High As A Kite Rambling Nonsense

surfingyt says...
newtboy said:

So...there are other less cut versions of this on YouTube, but they all seem to come with 5 minutes of inane commentary.
I do not know if this if ultimately a deep fake, but I do know there are better, cleaner versions out there. If anyone can find one without the commentary, please post it here and I'll happily replace it.

Here's one with the commentary, Don Jr starts at :30
https://youtu.be/hhDVLI3f0GA


I, for one, think it's real.

Trump Jr High As A Kite Rambling Nonsense

newtboy says...

So...there are other less cut versions of this on YouTube, but they all seem to come with 5 minutes of inane commentary.
I do not know if this if ultimately a deep fake, but I do know there are better, cleaner versions out there. If anyone can find one without the commentary, please post it here and I'll happily replace it.

Here's one with the commentary, Don Jr starts at :30
https://youtu.be/hhDVLI3f0GA


I, for one, think it's real.

newtboy (Member Profile)

Trump Jr High As A Kite Rambling Nonsense

White Woman's Instagram -- Bo Burnham

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Allow me to quote the defense attorney for the Qshaman-
"A lot of these defendants - and I'm going to use this colloquial term, perhaps disrespectfully - but they're all fucking short bus people...these are people with brain damage...they're fucking retarded, they're on the goddamn spectrum."

These are Trump's warrior's lawyers, making the claim that if you believed Trump like their clients (and like you, Bobby), you had to be "fucking retarded". That's you they're talking about. Rebuttal? How long was the bus you took to school?

Thanks so much for allowing us to use that term to describe Trumptards as a quote, because I had refrained from using it so far because it insults the mentally defective, not because it's not pc to use that word, but because it degrades them by saying they are as dumb and dysfunctional as a Trumpster.

Enjoy the rest of America's lifespan at this point. The Republican party is going down the drain bit by bit. At this rate, youall won't win a single election in 22, the party is fractured beyond repair between the remaining few adults without brain damage (too few to govern) and the Trump party (too few for a majority and getting more unpopular every day, already too unpopular to win elections). I only know one person in real life that would still vote for anyone that supports or supported Trump, and she has severe brain damage. Every other Republican I know has left the party, including my entire family. My mother campaigned for Bush Sr. repeatedly, she voted for Jr twice...last election she voted for Biden.

GOP Lash Out at Liz Cheney for Not Supporting Trump's Lies

newtboy says...

Google.com

Be sure to look up Russell Ramsland Jr who came up with the Republican plan to contest the 2020 election way back in 2018.

Also be sure to look into every "question" you asked, every one will be answered, you just don't like the facts because they don't jibe with your lies.

bobknight33 said:

f Democrats didn’t rig and steal the election, why are they so afraid of forensic audits in key battleground states- specifically the audit in Arizona right now?

When Trump was a 8 to 1 landslide favorite with bettors around the world late on election night and clearly headed to a landslide electoral victory, why did five states suddenly announce (in coordination) they were stopping counting for the night?

How come by morning these states had resumed counting with no GOP witnesses, and suddenly Biden was ahead? I thought you stopped counting?

How come Michigan had a dump of 149,772 votes at 6:31 AM on November 4th – with 96% of the vote going to Biden?

How did Wisconsin find 143,379 votes at 3:42 AM on November 4th, just about all of them for Biden? How come you could only produce numbers like this for Biden with no GOP witnesses in the room?

How come in Philadelphia Democrats were so desperate to keep Republican witnesses out of the counting room? Why did you refuse entry of Republican witnesses even with a court order in hand? Why did you cover the windows with pizza boxes so no Republican could see in?

Why should college be free

newtboy says...

Stossel is a far right propagandist these days.

My theory is they waste money by offering loans for the first two years at major private universities....knowing that the classes are designed to weed out >75% of students before their Jr year. Jr colleges aren't designed to fail or burn out most students, class sizes are exponentially smaller, and the teachers are often better, certainly more accessible to students.
By offering to loan the money they knowingly set up that 75% for failure and long term debt for nothing. By paying for those two years at Jr colleges they could let students figure out if they are capable of a full degree without the enormous expense. As long as the Jr colleges are qualified, 4 year universities will usually transfer credits already.

As to trades...yes perhaps professionals can, under some circumstances, make as much as some white collar professional, even lawyers, but that certification takes years of low paid apprenticeship to qualify for. I welded for years, I built bridges, water tanks, construction tools, industrial ovens, crash attenuatiors, race cars, boats, .... my average wage in that time was barely over $10 an hour, and never over $20. It takes a long time to start earning a real living wage in most cases.

spawnflagger said:

Don't know this Stossel guy (seems like a tool), but was always a fan of Mike Rowe, and also his initiative to get more workers in the trades.

I've seen plumbers (2-yr degree + certification) with higher hourly rates than lawyers (8-yr degree + bar exam). I also know a guy who makes more now as a general contractor than he did as a DBA (B.S. in Computer Science).
I think part of this is supply & demand- not as many tradespeople so the wages go up to hire those willing, and the cost of higher wages gets passed on to the customer.

But the point of this video isn't "should you go to college?", it's "the liberals want hard-working people to pay for college for all these liberal students", which is a false premise and why I can't upvote it.

I think community college should be taxpayer-funded for those students who want more than just high school. (but they should have to maintain certain GPA to remain free)
As far as other private Universities, they should be able to charge for it. Colleges that receive Federal or State money should have a cap on the rate that tuition can increase per year (maybe based on inflation). Over the past 20 years, most college tuition has gone up way more than inflation or wages.

Rather than student-loan forgiveness, I'd rather see a federal program that will help those students who couldn't finish school go back and get their degree (where it will pay for itself) or get a different degree. Most of this sub-$10k student debt they talk about is for students who never got their degree.



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