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The Mayflower and the people aboard her were a deeply religious sect of people that did indeed flee to the colonies to practice their religion. I fully understand that.

What you, and most cherry-picking christians fail to acknowledge is that the Mayflower crew was not the first nor the second or even the third permanent settlement in the new world. Jamestown, roughly 20 years prior was established without pretense of religion by wealthy Europeans hoping to find gold. The were ill-equipped and not manual laborers so to speak and that's why the first Jamestown settlement was in dire straights. A second crew arrived and began growing tobacco, which, at the time, the sale of tobacco seeds was outlawed outside of Spain. John Rolfe acquired some and thus established the first functional, economically viable colony at Jamestown a full six years before the Mayflower even sailed from England.

Economy, money and enterprise is what established America, not some freedom from religious persecution as, again, Americans have been force fed for years.

You're right, the first wave of settlers weren't strongly committed Christians, although one of the first things they did upon arriving was join the Rev. Robert Hunt in a communion service. However everything else is the complete opposite of what you said. Indeed, John Rolfe was the first to establish the colony, but what you've left out is that he was a deeply committed Christian! He is the one who converted Pocahontas to Christianity and took her as a bride. He had a Christian purpose for Jamestown such as to "advance the Honor of God, and to propagate his Gospel." He also said:

"no small hope by piety, clemency, courtesy and civil demeanor to convert and bring to the knowledge and true worship of Jesus Christ 1000s of poor wretched and misbelieving people: on whose faces a good Christian cannot look, without sorrow, pity and commiseration; seeing they bear the Image of our heavenly Creator, and we and they come from one and the same mold. . ."

So yes, Christianity was there at the outset, and it continued to be the prevailing influence in shaping this country.

I am not discounting what the pilgrims did at Plymouth. They did amazing things, especially with the Indians. I just want to clear that Plymouth was not what founded the colonies. They were not the first and were one of many.

If you won't listen to me, listen to the library of congress:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html


>> ^Hive13

@shinyblurry:

The Mayflower and the people aboard her were a deeply religious sect of people that did indeed flee to the colonies to practice their religion. I fully understand that.

What you, and most cherry-picking christians fail to acknowledge is that the Mayflower crew was not the first nor the second or even the third permanent settlement in the new world. Jamestown, roughly 20 years prior was established without pretense of religion by wealthy Europeans hoping to find gold. The were ill-equipped and not manual laborers so to speak and that's why the first Jamestown settlement was in dire straights. A second crew arrived and began growing tobacco, which, at the time, the sale of tobacco seeds was outlawed outside of Spain. John Rolfe acquired some and thus established the first functional, economically viable colony at Jamestown a full six years before the Mayflower even sailed from England.

Economy, money and enterprise is what established America, not some freedom from religious persecution as, again, Americans have been force fed for years.

I am not discounting what the pilgrims did at Plymouth. They did amazing things, especially with the Indians. I just want to clear that Plymouth was not what founded the colonies. They were not the first and were one of many.

>> ^Enzoblue:

Hopi's didn't have cows. The first cow came to the Jamestown colony (Virginia) in 1611.


JESUS CHRIST! Haven't we put those poor people through enough Genocide, Rape, Torture, Murder and stealing their land that you have to go and take their COWS from them too?! You sick bastard!

>> ^Enzoblue:

Hopi's didn't have cows. The first cow came to the Jamestown colony (Virginia) in 1611.


Bisons then

Hopi's didn't have cows. The first cow came to the Jamestown colony (Virginia) in 1611.

I just want to know what's on the menu. Jamestown had Kool-Aid, the Heaven's Gate cult had pudding. I hope it's Rice Krispy squares.

Thank you QM.........finally I hear from someone else (besides choggie) who actually has some understanding of what is going on and you actually have the respect of the very conflicted Mr. DIRT-DIRT DIRT who continues to dig himself deeper into the........DIRT! ---- Listen Dirt---It is obvious you hate the U.S. Government so why do you speak about the U.S. Constitution and Bill Of Rights which people like you are destroying. You and some others who commented don't even know about Jamestown or much of anything about American history yet you pull out all this propaganda designed to develop a hatred of America and everything America does. Because of the disrespectful hatred you exude I am not inclined to check out your link which is probably a link to loads of propaganda and,besides that, I don't trust you or any "link" you would offer. I know we do not have a perfect government but it is a hell of alot better then most others in this world and I have spent enough time in many countries to conclude that. Our system of government is being weakened by asinine politicians (such as the Mayor of San Francisco) and people who have no idea what is right and what is wrong (no morals). The standard of living you enjoy here is much better than other countries yet all you seem to "give back" is hatred of the government and system. Do you even live in America? What country do you live in? I am firmly against oppression of people or women by bad governments anywhere in the world but here this huge problem with illegals is different and the situation has wound up oppressing and depressing all of us. Illegals are people who are trying to "cut in front of others who have been standing in long lines" and this is NOT liberty, justice or freedom. IT'S INJUSTICE.

farhad---Tell me what the "actual freedoms" are that you say I'm so willing to give away.

animals for crackers--- I do acknowlege that there were some stupid U.S. Citizens, (who are blindly giving their own country away) at the Illegal Immigrants Rights Protest in their erroneous support of these Illegal immigrants but in my view both the protesters and the police were "out of line" . I certainly don't want a police state. In the "old days" the police would arrest an illegal immigrant and deport such a lawbreaker and these invaders (Foreign Nationals) certainly wouldn't have the "freedom" to parade down our cities streets demanding an astronomical HAND OUT from the American Government which they disrespect and ,for the most part, hate-- as they wave their Mexican flags. The Founding Fathers would be bringing out the Calvary they would be so aghast. And if the Government gives them what they demand, they will not be grateful and WHAT IS IN PLACE TO STOP ANY FURTHER ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?--WAKE UP CITIZENS!!!!!!
I believe the police are extremely frustrated and feel like they have their hands tied and they won't stand there and let these profane creeps throw things at them.
You know the Border Patrol Agents have been virtually stripped of their ability to apprehend lawbreaking illegal immigrants by asinine Courts (seems to be alot of them today). The citizens who support these illegal immigrants are mostly-guess what--Mexicans or citizens who have an immature understanding of what is actually going on and think that this is a fun "60's style civil rights protest" --Weeeee--as THEY SELL THEIR OWN COUNTRY DOWN THE RIVER!
W I S E -U P ! And ---HOW MANY ILLEGAL MIDDLE EASTERN TERRORISTS ARE IN THE MIX --JUST WAITING IN THE WINGS--TO DO THEIR EVIL DIRTY WORK!
Just remember - THE FBI /CIA IS WATCHING YOU !