@shinyblurry

Words have meaning.

You can't call God immutable, then show that he can obviously change (have fulfilling relationships, have changing feelings, make decisions to do things), and say we can't understand how he's immutable. You claimed immutability. I didn't. I'm just showing you the logical consequences of the words you're using. After you say words, you can't go back and say you don't know what the words mean, or that they don't mean the same thing when we're talking about God. Again, words have meaning.

There are massive internal inconsistencies in your bible story. "God is immutable" is not a compatible statement with "God has emotional reactions to things people do", or "God has ongoing interactive relationships with people". Yes, taken to it's logical conclusion, God is a frozen thing, which is clearly incompatible with omnipotence, as you pointed out yourself. Either God is not immutable, or significant portions of the bible story are false, including every part where God does anything, feels anything, and especially claims of omni-anything.

About God's supposed immutability. Why would he have two covenants with us if his basic nature never changes? Why would he have one set of rules before Christ, and another set after? Why was he such a warring murderous genocidal badass in the OT, but relatively passive in the NT, and totally absent in daily affairs since then? It seems to me he has changed plenty over the years.

How can God get angry when something happens if he always knew it would happen? Jesus seems to be a completely different dude from God of the OT. I like Jesus. God the father I don't.

"They have no idea what they want. They have no idea what they deserve.."

No idea what they deserve..

Damn, I honestly have never asked myself that question before.

I always knew whether or not I wanted someone, that was usually enough..

>> ^nosro:

I always knew that driving fast cars made women's clothes fall off.


I think you just described Jeremy Clarksons dreamworld.

I always knew that driving fast cars made women's clothes fall off.

Welcome to the sift. Wow, 2 years? I'm a bit late.

In reply to this comment by SpaceGirlSpiff:
Wow... a religious zealot attempting to call someone else on "rationalization"...

I've now been witness to a new level of hypocrisy.

>> ^shinyblurry:

http://www.egetgoing.com/drug_addiction/rationalization.asp
>> ^hpqp:
"I always knew there was a risk in the bohemian lifestyle... I decided to take it because it helped my concentration, it stopped me being bored – it stopped other people being boring. It would make me want to prolong the conversation and enhance the moment. If you ask: would I do it again? I would probably say yes. But I would have quit earlier hoping to get away with the whole thing. I decided all of life is a wager and I'm going to wager on this bit... In a strange way I don't regret it. It's just impossible for me to picture life without wine, and other things, fueling the company, keeping me reading, energising me. It worked for me. It really did." - Christopher Hitchens

Wow... a religious zealot attempting to call someone else on "rationalization"...

I've now been witness to a new level of hypocrisy.

>> ^shinyblurry:

http://www.egetgoing.com/drug_addiction/rationalization.asp
>> ^hpqp:
"I always knew there was a risk in the bohemian lifestyle... I decided to take it because it helped my concentration, it stopped me being bored – it stopped other people being boring. It would make me want to prolong the conversation and enhance the moment. If you ask: would I do it again? I would probably say yes. But I would have quit earlier hoping to get away with the whole thing. I decided all of life is a wager and I'm going to wager on this bit... In a strange way I don't regret it. It's just impossible for me to picture life without wine, and other things, fueling the company, keeping me reading, energising me. It worked for me. It really did." - Christopher Hitchens

http://www.egetgoing.com/drug_addiction/rationalization.asp

>> ^hpqp:
"I always knew there was a risk in the bohemian lifestyle... I decided to take it because it helped my concentration, it stopped me being bored – it stopped other people being boring. It would make me want to prolong the conversation and enhance the moment. If you ask: would I do it again? I would probably say yes. But I would have quit earlier hoping to get away with the whole thing. I decided all of life is a wager and I'm going to wager on this bit... In a strange way I don't regret it. It's just impossible for me to picture life without wine, and other things, fueling the company, keeping me reading, energising me. It worked for me. It really did." - Christopher Hitchens

"I always knew there was a risk in the bohemian lifestyle... I decided to take it because it helped my concentration, it stopped me being bored – it stopped other people being boring. It would make me want to prolong the conversation and enhance the moment. If you ask: would I do it again? I would probably say yes. But I would have quit earlier hoping to get away with the whole thing. I decided all of life is a wager and I'm going to wager on this bit... In a strange way I don't regret it. It's just impossible for me to picture life without wine, and other things, fueling the company, keeping me reading, energising me. It worked for me. It really did." - Christopher Hitchens

I always knew that Robin was the brains.

I always knew he liked to play hide the wiener, but that's not Robin.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.

A) I don't care, so Fuck You.
B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.
Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!

Oh... you're a troll, aren't you? Good work, chum! You actually got a fairly long response out of me. That gets you extra troll points, doesn't it?

I've been here long enough so you know I'm not a troll. I just couldn't care less if you live or die. I'm not trying to be mean but fuck you, you don't like spoilers watch the fucking show when it happens and refrain from reading things about it.


Yeah, I haven't actually watched all of season 1 yet. Infact, I have a grand total of 10 minutes watched of the entire series, because I've been waiting for my sister and I to have enough time off so we could watch it together.

So, in essence fuck you.

Sarzy was actually trying to do something nice for people who haven't been able to watch the series yet, and you essentially spat in his face. I didn't expect to read about spoilers about the series in a thread that has nothing to do with it but it's opening theme. It's got no characters, It doesn't have the clockwork intro video, it's got a two guys playing various instruments.

>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.

A) I don't care, so Fuck You.
B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.
Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!

Oh... you're a troll, aren't you? Good work, chum! You actually got a fairly long response out of me. That gets you extra troll points, doesn't it?


I've been here long enough so you know I'm not a troll. I just couldn't care less if you live or die. I'm not trying to be mean but fuck you, you don't like spoilers watch the fucking show when it happens and refrain from reading things about it.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.

A) I don't care, so Fuck You.
B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.
Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!


Oh... you're a troll, aren't you? Good work, chum! You actually got a fairly long response out of me. That gets you extra troll points, doesn't it?

>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.


A) I don't care, so Fuck You.

B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.

Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!