Bill would be a 1000% better late-night host than that gap-toothed liberal hyena Letterman, maybe when he moves on from the immensely popular Factor he can take over the late-night rankings too.

take their advice - go out to the barn or more precisely the pasture, and watch as bulls try to mount bulls, and oddly enough, cows try to mount cows, alllll day long.

There's also probably some nice pictures of female spotted hyenas somewhere on the net if you want to be really confused about gender roles and who packs what equipment.

Well to answer your question rychan pretty damn fearless. I dont know if it was the honey badger or a normal badger but i saw a doc on African badgers where they would charge down anything, hyenas, leopards, even lions if they got in their way. You might think its suicide but it goes with that logic "so crazy it could work". Lions probably arent use to such a small thing showing no hesitation or fear toward them so they generally back off and leave the badger alone. I mean come on the damn thing took a cobra bite just for a midnight snack, what a badass.

>> ^grinter:
^I wonder if you had to look that up to get the wording right?


No, sadly.

>> ^legacy0100:
I disagree with this video. But I'll upvote to promote discussion.
Exploitation is a very natural drive. Since when did animals treated their rivals and prey as their equals and share their abundance?
Seeing all creatures on earth as 'equals' is a uniquely exclusively human and extremely philosophical, which is, man made. But yet, exploiting one's environment and designing them to aid one's self isn't a strictly human thing. Lots of species out there exploit other animals or their surroundings to do their bidding.
Scissor ants harvest leaves, against that tree's will, to grow a fungal farm. Hyenas steal cheetah's food when they're exhausted from chasing the prey. And they don't give a gazelle's ass whether the cheetah dies of hunger or exhaustion.
And when it comes to cruelty, mammals like lions kill off all cubs when newly taken control of a pride in order to wipe out the previous leader's seeds and to lessen competition by them near future. Birds kill the competitor's young by replacing the competition's egg with their own egg.
So what this video argues has nothing to do with how the actual nature runs things.


Here is what's wrong with this entire point: It is the textbook example of a logical fallacy, aptly named an "Appeal To Nature"
Just because something is a certain way in nature does not suggest anything regarding how things should be.
I should remind you of how slippery of a slope this argument stands on, as you appear not to have thought this one all of the way through, with all due respect.
hypothetically, say we were to look at the way things are at any given moment, and remark "well this world is just fine! because this is the way things are in nature and have been for a long time. therefore, nothing needs be changed or revised, because we base what SHOULD be on what is OBSERVED IN NATURE"..

ultimately, how can you justify the accepting of any human-made laws as morally sound?
surely you can't be suggesting that for human-human affairs, the man-made consensus decides what is right and what is wrong, while then back-flipping to say that these same good/bad judgements are utterly NULL and VOID when it comes to animals?
i would like to know where you stand on slavery issues?
capital punishment?

this argument could not be more misguided, in my opinion.

Additionally, I am not ignoring your other points, but rather don't have the time right now. Let's take the arguments one at a time for now.

Hoping you can clarify some things,
tcash

I disagree with this video. But I'll upvote to promote discussion.

Exploitation is a very natural drive. Since when did animals treated their rivals and prey as their equals and share their abundance?

Seeing all creatures on earth as 'equals' is a uniquely exclusively human and extremely philosophical, which is, man made. But yet, exploiting one's environment and designing them to aid one's self isn't a strictly human thing. Lots of species out there exploit other animals or their surroundings to do their bidding.

Scissor ants harvest leaves, against that tree's will, to grow a fungal farm. Hyenas steal cheetah's food when they're exhausted from chasing the prey. And they don't give a gazelle's ass whether the cheetah dies of hunger or exhaustion.

And when it comes to cruelty, mammals like lions kill off all cubs when newly taken control of a pride in order to wipe out the previous leader's seeds and to lessen competition by them near future. Birds kill the competitor's young by replacing the competition's egg with their own egg.

So what this video argues has nothing to do with how the actual nature runs things.

Do whatever you wanna do with these animals as you please. Feed'em, help'em, sleep with'em do whatever you want. You might even have an awed sense of respect towards the way nature works. But coming up with a 'rule' that somehow harming animals are wrong, that's just absurd.

Yes, humans are still co-dependent with several other domesticated animals, and still heavily dependent on nature itself. That's all good. But because of this, now we have to treat every animals differently? No. We aid animals that give us benefit. We get rid of animals that do us harm. That's the basic principle, and what the heck is so wrong with that? This seems to be the main focus point. And I say there's nothing wrong with aiding ourselves and exploiting what's around us.

But people may say that sometimes we go too far. I believe torturing animals is wrong, but not because of what this video is suggesting. I believe it's because we shouldn't promote things that allows entertainment from pain and suffering of of others (another reason why I don't like gory movies).

So what if we're torturing the animal to do our bidding, such as moving heavy things and etc, and there's no other means to do it? Well then that's fine by me. Because if it is truly too much for the animal to bear, it would die out or be severely disobedient. But obviously the animal doesn't mind it too much, as long as it's being fed regularly and groomed once in awhile, the good side of being domesticated and sticking with humans. So there's always a give and take. My argument is that the animal, in ecologic terms, wanted to be exploited in return for human protection.

So overall I would say that this video is made with good intentions to achieve a certain goal. It tries to promote as what I believe are the right things, but the reason they give are just plain wrong.

Judging by the huge muzzle, those hyenas aren't tame. How long has that been going on?

"what Mother Nature took thousands of years to do with wolves".

We don't know how long it took for wolves that were scavenging off our dump sites to become dogs that scavenged off our dump sites, that then became the dog as part of our human groups. I suppose thousands of years isn't a poor estimate, but who knows, maybe it was 100 years for the first step (wolves that hung around people as scavengers), then 30 years for the second step (wolf pups that people befriended or took and bred).

btw, this is a fun thought; have you ever seen the images of gangster dudes in Africa with hyenas and lions, walking around with big chain leashes? here's a famous one, http://www.hyaenidae.org/uploads/images/conservation%20pix/nigerian&pet%20hyena.jpg

http://www.videosift.com/video/Prey-Outwits-Her-Predators

Duplicate

http://www.videosift.com/video/Gazelle-outsmarts-a-Cheetah-and-a-Hyena

http://www.videosift.com/video/Prey-Outwits-Her-Predators

Can you update the tags on this one: cheetah,impala,hyena,duma,play dead,nature

They sound like hyenas!

Sounds tempting Dag, but I think you will end up with even more dupes slipping through the cracks.

This is a dupe: http://www.videosift.com/video/Lions-vs-Hyenas-Raw

Yeah, the soundtrack is different and this one's got 20s of useless blue screen at the end, but the footage is identical.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Lions-vs-Hyenas-Raw

For those who want to see lions kick some arse.

So we're starting a betting pool to see how long it lasts before the legal hyenas tear it to shreds?