This is just bizarre. I hadn't ever heard of the comic so I was expecting something along the lines of Snakes on a Plane or Hot Tub Time Machine. That this is given a serious treatment makes it interesting to me. Maybe it won't be good; surely it's a bit *wtf; but at least it's not another intentionally dumb movie.

>> ^RadHazG:

Ah the FCC. Keeping everyone safe from those dirty dirty harmful words. Without them, surely we would all be robbing, looting, and killing everything in sight.
Also: we all know the "real" words. Everyone does, without exception (because if everyone didn't, bleeping them would be pointless). So every time anyone see's this stuff, they hear "monday to friday!" their brain translates "fucking!". So in reality the FCC is even more pointless than its already pointless (and in my opinion unconstitutional) existence.


There's definitely good reason to have the public have some control over the quality of content on the public airwaves. There's a very finite amount of bandwidth that we, ahem, rent to companies and if we just let it go completely free market, it'd all be pornography.

Of course what the FCC does in practice is ridiculous. I wish they'd pay more attention to content before the watershed and less attention to four letter words. When I lived in Los Angeles, you could see four women and one man in a hot tub making out and suggesting the things they'd do later on Elimidate right when kids got home from school. No 'F' words, but I'd really hate my kids watching that every day.

Who's the mack? is it some brother in a big hat
Thinking he can get any bitch with a good rap?
Rolling in a fucked-up Lincoln
Leaning to the side So it looks like he's sinking
Into that leopard interior
This nigga thinks every girl's inferior
To his tongue, get a dumb bitch sprung
As she's selling more butt
Don't even get a cut of the money
His name is Sonny
And he know the play
And hope to od that he don't find a runaway
That's looking to become a star
He'll have your ass in and out of every car
With every on and Rick, sucking every john's dick
Come short of the money, get your ass kicked
You don't like it but you still call him hunk
Last night the nigga put yo' ass in the trunk
You wanna leave but Sonny started talking fast
And it make you wanna go and sell more ass
He's getting rich, you his bitch and it's like that
Now ask yourself
Who's the mack?
Who's the mack?

It is that fool that wanna pump the gas
Give you a sad story and you give him cash?
He starts macking and macking and you sucking
Quick to say I'm down on my luck
And you give a dollar or a quarter and he's on his way
Then you see his sorry ass the next day
Are you the one getting played like a sucka?
Or do you say, "Get a job, motherfucker"?
Every day, the story gets better
He's wearing dirty pants and a funky-assed sweater
He claims he wants to get something to eat
But every day you find yourself getting beat
He gets your money and you run across the street don't look both ways
'cause he's in a daze
And almost get his ass hit for the crack
Now ask yourself
Who's the mack?
Who's the Mack?

Is it that nigga in that club asking
Have you ever been in a hot tub?
I know the game so I watch it unfold
When i see the boy pinned to your earlobe
He's talking shit and you crack a smile
When he tell you that he can go buck wild
For a girl like you and make it feel good
You know it's drama but it sound real good
He started dragging and hopefully he can start tagging
The pussy so he can keep bragging
He say, "I'm 'a leave baby, can you go with me?"
The pussy so he can keep bragging
You wanna do it but you feeling like a H-O-E
You grab his hand, you leave and it's over
'Cause the nigga ain't nothing but a rover
Ya knew the game and you still ended up on your back
Now ask yourself
Who's the Mack?
Macking is the game and everybody's playing
And as long as you believe what they saying
Consider the a M.A.C.K. and with no delay
They are gonna get all the play
But when it comes to me, save the drama for your momma
It's Ice Cube and you know that I'm a
Mack in my own right
When it comes to rhyme and rap
'cause all i do is kick facts
Unlike Iceberg Slimm
And all of them be claimin' be P.I.M.P.
No, I'm not going out that way
I'm just a straight up N I double G A
Next time U get over on a fool
And you did the shit like real smooth
Thank Ice Cube for giving up the facts
And ask yourself
Who's the Mack?

You forgot to tell us how handsome Tom is

>> ^Asmo:

In news just in, hottub farmers from the hot tub belts in Florida have reported a mysterious explosion in hottubs, particularly ones filled with hot women and delicious candies.
One farmer was reported saying, "It's almost as if thousands of handsome men had started complimenting each other!!".
Back to you Tom.

In news just in, hottub farmers from the hot tub belts in Florida have reported a mysterious explosion in hottubs, particularly ones filled with hot women and delicious candies.

One farmer was reported saying, "It's almost as if thousands of handsome men had started complimenting each other!!".

Back to you Tom.

Aha, i see you've discovered my plan, you handsome devil!

>> ^notarobot:

>> ^residue:
rottenseed, dare i say you would be quite a handsome man with a monocle

And thus a hot tub full of ladies and candies was born into this world. For this I thank you. You handsome man.

If she didn't meet me at the hot tub I'd be pissed too.

>> ^residue:

rottenseed, dare i say you would be quite a handsome man with a monocle


And thus a hot tub full of ladies and candies was born into this world. For this I thank you. You handsome man.

>> ^entr0py:

>> ^notarobot:
Pants‽ Where did the pants come from‽

You're not more troubled by the extra break-away legs on that shot?


Or the hot tub walls washing away with the water? I wonder how much CGI they actually used.

I also found an fascinating blog on how the Jersey Shore TV show is neoliberalism applied to sex.

Apparently the jersey shore boys will leave the their female company, cruise the beach and invite more girls to the hot tub. Doing this, blatantly, right in front of their female guests. Treating sex as a commodity is apparently applying neoliberal values to sex.

Kind of like having a laid off worker train his overseas replacement.

The argument is, we would've all been locked up for it, how come he is being praised?>> ^rgroom1:
15 is jailbait at worst. sure it's illegal, but she's starting to look like a woman.
It's not pedo by far, but definitely taking advantage of an easily manipulated minor.

>> ^rgroom1:
15 is jailbait at worst. sure it's illegal, but she's starting to look like a woman.
It's not pedo by far, but definitely taking advantage of an easily manipulated minor.


Then he should be in jail, not getting a round of applause from his fellow lawmakers.

I'm not witch hunting him, but ASIDE FROM the extortion later on, there's the original crime where this guy willingly got into a hot tub with a minor. Seems like he knew she was a minor.

That's not cool.

If you ask me, this touches perfectly on a knife edge that i've always thought about when i think of "paedophilia".

I once watched a program where louis theroux visited a centre for paedophiles. They stayed inside this purgatorial estate until they were "re-habilitated" and there was no time limit on their incarceration. The only people who had EVER been released (i think? hazy memory) were people who had voluntarily gone through chemical castration.

I was in a state of pure shock after watching the video. My utter disgust and contempt for their dispicable act was met with my utter vexation that these people would be held indefinitely until some people who claimed themselves experts decided that they were "cured". And usually only when they'd metaphorically chopped their gonads off.

I didn't know what to think. Did i feel sorry for these people who now had no presence in the world, who had no rights and literally a purgatorial non-existance? Or did i feel glad that they'd been taken out of the world for something that is unthinkable to any normal person?

And to be honest, i still don't know. But i think this discussion is fuelled by that uncertainty. Some people may also not know what they feel. Some people think "This guy shouldn't have his life ruined by getting into a hot tub with a minor and not doing anything," some people think "Holy shit this guy knowingly got into a hot tub with a minor."

Do you think if chris hansen got a guy to sit in a hot tub with a 15 year old girl and then the guy said "but i wasn't going to do anything!" that we'd believe him? No, of course we wouldn't.

So what if chris hansen had popped up when this guy had been getting into the hot tub, and said "hi, i'm chris hansen from dateline nbc?" His life would have been terribly terribly different.

So exactly how many future lawmakers and "citizens of good standing and public service" has chris hansen put behind bars for non-crimes similar to this man? Should the crowd in this video be applauding the people we've seen on "to catch a predator"...?

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@Shepppard

Well he's already admitted to being naked in the presence of an underage person. So he's guilty of at least corruption of a minor which according to a quick google search shows it can range from activities such as discussions involving sex, showing them pornography or explicit images, teaching them destructive behavior, etc. So remaining in a hot tub, nude with someone underage I think would fall into the realm of corruption of a minor.

And since in recent years, the laws for child pornography have moved to include cartoons depicting underage characters, sexting related pictures/text, and various other new and confusing ways to interpret and punish people for them. I would say again that simply being nude in front of a minor, or being in the presence of a minor who is nude unless you're a medical doctor or police official conducting a search...you'd be guilty of a crime that may not be exactly child pornography but it would be more severe than corruption of a minor.

So......I think he admitted to at least corruption of a minor and possibly something more severe that would be more inline with punishments for child pornography charges. Is there a statute of limitations on these things? No idea, but I suspect not since they potentially have long standing psychological ramifications on the minor whether they were willing or not. If there was any sort of sexual contact, statutory rape would be in play and it doesn't even consider "willingness" of the minor to be convicted of it.


Let's assume that he knew this girl was underage because it would be silly of him to make a prepared speech admitting guilt and not stressing that at the time he had no idea of her age. Since that simple point would make him a lot less culpable, especially if she were in a situation where someone underage shouldn't have been able to gain access to. But he didn't, and it was a prepared speech...so he put thought into it to spin it in a light most flattering to himself.


Who was in the tub first?

Does it matter if he stayed and didn't attempt to cover up or leave?

Were they talking before getting into the tub?

Subject matter of this talk would only make his case worse, and wouldn't change it if it were innocent.

Did they both agree to in at the same time?

Really it doesn't matter, he wouldn't be confessing to it if it were innocent...and he wouldn't have paid her if it were innocent.

Were they alone, or at some party?

If alone, it's he said she said. But any normal guy in this situation would have a dim view taken on him being nude in front of a 15 year old girl who was also nude...party or alone. If in a party situation, probably more criminal charges to dole out.

Had they been alone, how'd he get her there in the first place?

Still doesn't change the wrongness of his acts, or what he has already admitted to. It would only potentially weaken his case in my opinion, I can't think of anything where this would make his case stronger given what he already admitted to.

If they were at a party, who let a 15 year old girl in?

This goes to the assumption that he would have claimed he didn't know her age when he admitted to the crime, because otherwise he's implying he knew at the time of the act. If he hadn't known, he would have put it into his speech since it was prepared before hand.....silly to do otherwise. And he wouldn't have paid blackmail money if he was tricked into the initial act that kicked it all off.

If they were at a party, what were her intentions upon showing up?

It doesn't really matter in the case of a minor, maybe her intentions were to get laid by the oldest guy at the party. If she succeeded it'd still be statutory rape since willingness does not let them off the hook. It might help his case, but it wouldn't alleviate his guilt much if her were a normal joe.

Did they start off naked in the tub?

I think that it's been hidden for 30 years, had one payment already paid.....and now him coming forward....I'd say they were naked long enough for this not to matter. If it were innocent, the hush money never would have been paid. Since if he had 150k to give away freely, he could have crushed her in court.



I think if he had done anything that was morally responsible that night, he would have included it in his prepared speech. I say he knew her age. It wasn't an innocent non-sexual situation, otherwise the hush money wouldn't have been paid. The only reason he made the speech was to get out in front of it and try to spin it more positively for himself before she got the media coverage to burn him.

Anyway I looked up an article from the girl involved in the thing, and she says a few things that confirm my suspicions..but I didn't read it until this point and not going to go back and restate what I've written. I think the lack of him not addressing certain things is his way of avoiding the damning parts, because if it were good for his case.......he would have said it.


Either way, after his speech they got ahold of her. Here's a link:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700016074/Cheryl-Maher-says-Kevin-Garn-lied-about-hot-tub-contact.html

A few choice comments:

Utah House Majority Leader Kevin Garn is lying about having no physical contact with her when they went hot-tubbing in the nude when she was 15 years old.

She also says they had a long-term relationship at that time and contends that he had affairs with others.

"Then there was a day when he took me to Salt Lake, and he stopped and got alcohol, and we ended up at this hot-tub place on State Street. I was scared. I said, 'I don't have a suit.' He said, 'You don't need one,' " Maher wrote.