you gain everything ! especially over a reality / future defined by the limited imagination of farmers and goat herders

yeah..looks like thats the way it is heading.in regards to a military strike.
and on that note..i am glad.

i have such a huge distrust of power because it tends to always abuse it.
i was witnessing the same tactics that has been used for a generation in getting people (usually poor) to go kill other poor people.

so very happy i was wrong.

as i get older cynicism is a trait that i have to fight herder each passing year.
thats why i engage is discussion as much as i do.
to better understand differing viewpoints and maybe illuminate a flaw in my own.

but then i get too see my oldest grandaughter turn 5 and i forget all the tedious bullshit and remember innocence.

hard to be cynical with a 5 yr old.
ok its impossible.

i posted that video for an alternate way of looking/thinking about a situation.not necessarily to promote my views.

that guy postulates on a pretty dark perspective and i think thats not a bad thing.i do not agree with his fatalistic approach nor many of his conclusions.but he does bring up salient points and has good questions and i like that.

his answer are mostly conjecture though.

you should watch some of his vids..if you want to be depressed.

im glad i was wrong on this one.
truly.

He must have been a shepherd or herder by trade

>> ^ReverendTed:

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with bobknight33 here.
I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her body. I also believe we should be responsible for the consequences of our choices. I believe a woman has the right to decide whether to have sex. (So, yes, I do believe in exceptions for cases of rape, incest, and threat-to-life.)
Seeing how quickly a fertilized egg develops into a fetus is striking (there can be a detectable heartbeat at 5 1/2 weeks), and that's where I get my opposition to elective abortion. I cannot accept that this is merely some part of "a woman's body" to be excised and discarded when it is so clearly a developing human.
I sincerely believe that we will one day look back on our tolerance for elective abortion with the same reprehension as we currently hold for slavery, ritual sacrifice or witch trials.
I know how difficult it is to have a rational discussion about abortion, but I find it hard not to say something. I try to keep an open mind and view issues from others' positions, but I can only really see this particular argument coming down to a discussion of when "life" begins; where does it go from being "termination of pregnancy" to "termination of a human life"? At conception? Birth? Or somewhere in between? Obviously, it's murder to kill a newborn, and it seems like there's a general consensus that it would be unethical to terminate a late pregnancy, but how far back does that reasoning go? And if we don't know when human life begins, it seems rational to err on the side of caution.


i err soo far on the side of caution, i convince pro-life women have sex with me by saying that if they don't, they are aborting the child i have conceived of having with them

its a human life they are ending if they don't

better to err on the side of caution

the real hypocrisy of the pro-life forces out there, is once the kids born, that kid is someone else's problem... yeah, we'll fight to make sure you are born, but if they parent's can't afford to raise you in the first place... or are unfit... well that's their fault... and we should in NO way be responsible for that (y'know, even though our movement forced them to have you in the first place)

better for you, the uncared for, under educated, malnurished child to suffer and us to feel righteous
than
not create this suffering (on both your parents and your behalf) and us to not feel so accomplished

support you!?! give you a hand up? that sounds like a hand out! stay outta my wallet you socialist!

prolife is supported by Christianity!!! abortion is attacking God! because desert dwelling sheep herders knew more about life, dna, the reproductive process than we do today!
of course, we'll ignore all the socialist themes in the Bible while saying this
we'll ignore things like charity for the poor and sick
we'll ignore things like throwing the money lenders out of the church
etc etc

compassion just doesn't feel genuine if $ makes it go away

See, Picard is the best captain in the series, but a shit captain in the movies, because he acts like Kirk in the movies. Kirk isn't a good captain, he's a good Han Solo-captain, a loose cannon, a scoundrel, a scruffy nerf-herder. Picard is a fucking space ship captain and acts like it.

"The American Pshychological Association is not proof of anything"

She should have answered: "The Catholic Church and the Bible agreeing with you is proof that you think the same as a racist, bigoted bronze age sheep herder."

Nice. I hear that herders mix Goats with their sheep flock to prevent sheeps from devastating the ranch ecology by eating only one kind of grass. If the sheeps are with a goat, they start eating various kinds of vegetation, which prevents the farm from becoming a barren land. No training required, it's just the way they naturally behave.

>> ^Crosswords:

Long lecture is long. Religion is a malleable idea because it does not require proof in the scientific sense to believe. You can mold it into any shape you want; sometimes it's molded to fit the world and sometimes a person's idea of the world is molded to fit the religion (which sometimes takes the form of out right denying scientific evidence).
The problem of why so many people think religion and science can't co-exist is because there is a very vocal and active religious populations that see science as an assault on their beliefs. They don't want to see religion as malleable, they want it to be TRUTH (as they express on the bumpers of their horseless carriages powered by internal combustion engines). We, us non-believers, see this and are offended, because after all we base our understanding of the world on observable and measurable phenomena, while all their 'facts' are based on things a bunch of drunk goat/sheep herders were going on about 2000+ years ago.
As an atheist I've often given the the existence of a god/s thought, my conclusion has been it doesn't matter what I think since its subject to change at whim. I'd be most likely to see God as the watchmaker, in which case I'm benefited more by figuring out how the watch works than wondering what the maker wanted. I outright reject the God as the psycho jealous controlling girlfriend/boyfriend. 'If you really loved me you'd kill your first born, OMG you were really going to do it? I was just testing you, I wouldn't really make you do that. Now go slaughter some sheep and goats for me. No seriously... do it.'


That's all fine and whatnot... the problem is, religion is constantly retreating, and science constantly advancing.
People are rationalizing more and more. Which is pretty stupid and pathetic.
Religious people, ignorants or not, absolutely refuse to face reality. We see it every single day.
Being religious is, in my opinion, being intellectually dishonest. For example... how can someone say he/she is a christian, and then rationalize their way out from believing in most of the stuff that comes in the bible? The bible is the foundation for their belief (or it should be), yet only a complete ignorant would believe in shit as stupid as the beginning of the universe and creation of men, as described in Genesis. Or the great flood and the Moses story. etc, etc. There are people like that of course, but I doubt that it is the majority.

People are retreating from religious belief (even if unaware) and into empirical knowledge ever more.
Yet, they still consider themselves religious, even if whatever it is they believe in, has absolutely no real relation with what their religion is supposed to be about.

IF science ever reaches a point, where it can be said, with absolute certainty that god is not real, there would still be idiots trying to argue against it.

Shit... look at the amount of morons trying to discredit Evolution.

To conclude, I DO think science and religion are incompatible. One searches for the absolute truth, including the origin of the universe, how we came to be, and all that, no matter how pleasant it is (or isn't), and the other is about defending a stand, even if proven wrong (although every once in a while, they have to take a step back and admit they are being assholes. Nowadays you have the pope saying evolution is real.Oh really??? Well, that's not what it says in your holy book, you might wanna check that).

An institution such as the Catholic Church wanting to be side-by-side with science, after its "awesome" track record in support of science and knowledge, makes me wanna puke in disgust.

Mr. Fisk - Cat Herder (2010)

*Long lecture is long. Religion is a malleable idea because it does not require proof in the scientific sense to believe. You can mold it into any shape you want; sometimes it's molded to fit the world and sometimes a person's idea of the world is molded to fit the religion (which sometimes takes the form of out right denying scientific evidence).

The problem of why so many people think religion and science can't co-exist is because there is a very vocal and active religious populations that see science as an assault on their beliefs. They don't want to see religion as malleable, they want it to be TRUTH (as they express on the bumpers of their horseless carriages powered by internal combustion engines). We, us non-believers, see this and are offended, because after all we base our understanding of the world on observable and measurable phenomena, while all their 'facts' are based on things a bunch of drunk goat/sheep herders were going on about 2000+ years ago.

As an atheist I've often given the the existence of a god/s thought, my conclusion has been it doesn't matter what I think since its subject to change at whim. I'd be most likely to see God as the watchmaker, in which case I'm benefited more by figuring out how the watch works than wondering what the maker wanted. I outright reject the God as the psycho jealous controlling girlfriend/boyfriend. 'If you really loved me you'd kill your first born, OMG you were really going to do it? I was just testing you, I wouldn't really make you do that. Now go slaughter some sheep and goats for me. No seriously... do it.'

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^demon_ix:
That's one scruffy looking nerf-herder.

Hey! You can't use that word! That's our word!


I'm taking it back!

>> ^demon_ix:
That's one scruffy looking nerf-herder.

Hey! You can't use that word! That's our word!

That's one scruffy looking nerf-herder.

Makes me think of those (stiff legged) goats that faint.
http://www.videosift.com/video/GOATS-that-FAINT
Um, someone..., somewhere in her families history, was a lonely goat herder... hmmm...