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Voting Fraud by Government Officials Caught on Tape!

Taint says...

no bathroom breaks? I can't believe she can say that with a straight face.

I wonder how many of those chairs were empty in favor of the golf course

unbelievable

Dog Vs. Wolf?

pumkinandstorm says...

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
..it's a wolf
the title even says so


Not sure why he still has wolf on the title but on the youtube video description he has written the following:

(Rasta the Vizsla slowly stalks down a wolf on a golf course (turns out it was a coyote).

Jack Abramoff on 60 Minutes -- the whole system is corrupt

GeeSussFreeK says...

>> ^Crosswords:

Lobbyists should only be able to make their case during official recorded meetings. None of those dinner, club or trips to a Scottish golf course meetings; including staff working for the politician. Plus former staff members should not be allowed to lobby, ever. Obviously way too much temptation for corruption.


Should the same be had of a citizen writing his congressman? What would the legal difference be between a lobby and a "normal" person. If you try and legislate this, it will only be a matter of time before normal people get caught in the cross-hairs. My solution would be to roll back the responsibility of the government to regulate those things we hold dear and do it ourselves. New technology and know how is making "outsourcing" of major responsibilities no longer necessary. All to often, government officials have no real expertise on the things we want them to look after anyway, how many 60 year old technology minded Senators exist currently or ever? Which understand the intricacies of the biological world of the cell? To great the cost for such ignorant people. Best in our hands, best by our means. The creative solutions of interesting people and communities would be fair more beneficial to all than one monolithic, solution managed by fools. This has problems of its own, but is a far cry from the corruption that an overly legal, federal understanding of life holds for us...ask Russia.

Jack Abramoff on 60 Minutes -- the whole system is corrupt

Crosswords says...

Lobbyists should only be able to make their case during official recorded meetings. None of those dinner, club or trips to a Scottish golf course meetings; including staff working for the politician. Plus former staff members should not be allowed to lobby, ever. Obviously way too much temptation for corruption.

George Carlin - Dealing with Homelessness

alien_concept says...

>> ^Mammaltron:

Sure, nationalise/steal those privately-owned golf courses and build ghettos on them, should work out fine.
Solutions to complex social problems which begin with some variant of "they should just..." should just be ignored.


Of course they should, If he were to go into fine and great detail about what they should do to fix XYZ issue, it wouldn't be funny anymore. Pretty sure Carlin doesn't believe what he's saying all of the time, a lot of it is definitely the rantings of an angry man

George Carlin - Dealing with Homelessness

Mammaltron says...

Sure, nationalise/steal those privately-owned golf courses and build ghettos on them, should work out fine.

Solutions to complex social problems which begin with some variant of "they should just..." should just be ignored.

George Carlin - Dealing with Homelessness

Skeeve says...

No, I don't like him being disparaging about golf and golfers because not all golf and golfers are how he describes them and his idea (tongue-in-cheek or not) regarding golf courses taking up too much space is ridiculous.

I made a generalization of other sports fans to compare with his generalization of golfers. Both are stupid generalizations, but IMO his is particularly bad for ignoring his own admonishments against our propensity for violence and the brainwashing of the public.

The argument can be made that the major league sports harm our society more in the long run. Carlin regularly talked about how those in power were keeping the lower classes ignorant and entertained and if he thought these sports weren't part of that then he was just as brainwashed as the rest.>> ^alien_concept:

@Skeeve
Okay, but the point I was aiming for was that you didn't like him being disparaging about golf and golfers, because you like golf and golfing. But to make his point why would he kick off about football or hockey?

George Carlin - Dealing with Homelessness

Skeeve says...

No, they don't play hockey or football. They own the teams and make billions of dollars a year because fat, stupid people would rather pay money to watch someone else do something athletic than do something themselves.

Those "corporate cunts" on the golf course make their money from these modern gladiatorial sports and the mindless consumers who obsess over them.>> ^alien_concept:

>> ^Skeeve:
My thoughts exactly.
I'm definitely not one of those powerful businessmen carving up the country, but I do love to golf. It's hardly a meaningless activity to me.
It's particularly ironic because at the beginning he attacks how warlike America is... maybe he should attack sports like football and hockey which are war analogues instead of a peaceful, relaxing sport like golf.>> ^PHJF:
Well that was fine until that bit about golf. I like golfing.


Corporate cunts don't spend time that should be spent in meetings or deserving the vast sums of money they get playing hockey and football though, I doubt

The Economic Consequences of Mr Brown

Space Mutiny - Reb Brown Epic Moment

Fault Lines: The Top 1%

shagen454 says...

You can look at it any way you want. I'm considered "middle-class" by all terms. I have super cheap rent in one of the most expensive places in the US, that is of my own accord. But I sure as hell can't afford anything. I take public transit, ride my bike, I still eat the best organics in the nation and have the best friends I could have ever met.

I've had many jobs where I've done the work of the higher-ups and seen what they do while making 5X the amount of money I do. I know they know they're lucky, but, I've also seen how they choose to make financial decisions for their own gain - one of those being getting others to do their work for them. Corrupt fucks.

One of my main influences for being more "socially" inclined was my father. A CEO, he wasn't a scumbag or anything - at least not to my knowledge (he did help build prisons) but just the thought of people putting profit before their own lives & family is sickening.

To his credit, he grew up in Philly with a mother who lost her husband (an olympic athelete) early on. She grew up during the depression and only had a 4th grade education. She was one of those cuties that saved huge tin foil balls. I know my father worked hard and felt obligated to but I think and will always think he cared too much about making profit.

He still touts that. Now that I am nearly an old man he admitted while we sipped on some bourbon and smoked a cigar that, "All I ever wanted was to make money." My reply was "yeah." I looked him in his empty eyes and saw a robot. Sure he has a super nice house on a lake system, an amazing wife, nice cars, a speed boat, a golf course... hardly any friends, kids that don't appreciate him... but he has shitloads of money. Good for him! That's amazing. Money really informs people what life is truly about, keeps people focused on what is really important. Paying your taxes, keeping your yard and hair well groomed, going to stiff social events and working. Man, that is just not a life worth living in my opinion.

On the opposite side of the spectrum their are jobs where everyone is paid nearly the same, they buy into their businesses and co-own their businesses and everyone comes out a winner with 30k+ bonuses at the end of the year. The only people that may not think they're winners are people that are greedy fucks that require too much. But, at the same time these people are able to live regular lives that promote interaction, activity & family. Not that I believe in having a family, but when you do not have to take your bullshit job home with you or work many many extra hours the better it is for everyone.

>> ^quantumushroom:

You fellows are buying into something you don't seem to have thought all the way through. If you spread all wealth equally across the board, in a month things would look about the same as they do now, as foolhardy choices were made and the inexperienced gambled their "profits" away.
Communism attempted to eliminate the profit motive. It's been a disaster everywhere it's been tried.
Socialist countries are not only less competitive than capitalist ones, many of them across Europe are now in serious trouble.
You do know most of the American "poor" are well fed, own their own homes, have two vehicles, 3 TVs, cable, computers, appliances, etc?
One other thing. I do not believe for one second that if any of you "revolutionaries" won the lottery, you wouldn't immediately put together a legal team to rival Mr. Burns' on The Simpsons and proceed to exploit every tax shelter and loophole possible.

TED - Hans Rosling on Global Population Growth

Sniper007 says...

>> ^mgittle:

>> ^Sniper007:

A widely held but incorrect view. Limited global population MUST be the desired outcome or humans will exceed the carrying capacity of the Earth. Relying on the promise of new technologies is a naive recipe for possible disaster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
If you want to talk assumption, you're assuming that maximum relative wealth is the desired outcome. Pretty selfish, eh?
Baby boomers leaving the workforce is really only a problem because of Social Security and health care costs and an unbalanced worker to retiree ratio. That ratio will change over time and we'll probably have a period of austerity as it changes back to something resembling equilibrium. The baby boom being correlated with economic growth/decline is really not proof that increased population causes increased wealth. There are many other factors involved which have nothing to do with population.
Wealth is obviously not directly tied to population, or the United States wouldn't have vastly higher wealth with such a relatively low population density compared to the rest of the world. If you mean overall world wealth, perhaps that's true, since more people = more work = more promises to pay back debts, but when you're talking about a closed loop system, it's all relative. So, if you take the view that more world population means more poor people for rich countries to exploit, that would be true, but then you also have to assume infinite resources and an undamageable environment.


If there is a carrying capacity for the earth, humanity has not even come close to it. I'd say the limit is somewhere in the hundreds of trillions, based on the fact that it only takes 1/5 of a acre to feed an entire family a vegetarian diet. This is not a theoretical figure, it is currently being done. I'd say the earth is grossly underpopulated based on the obscene amount of lawn space (and golf courses) in existence.

Just drive somewhere (anywhere) for 10 miles, and tell me how much un-utilized, or under-utilized SPACE you see in your immediate vicinity. I'm not talking tilled, fertilized farmland. I'm talking empty parking lots, front lawns, abandoned buildings, etc. All those places need some human who is willing to engage in the proper behavior and responsibly utilize that space. The world is not overpopulated with bodies. It's 'over populated' with the wrong mindset and work ethic.

I didn't mean to imply that maximum relative wealth is a desired outcome. It is not.

I do agree, population growth is certainly NOT the only ingredient needed for an increase in sheer economic wealth. Though, for the families who engage in it, it can be the very definition and 'object' of their wealth and their increase in quality of life (though it may lead temporarily to a decrease in economic abundance). But the question of how to increase monetary wealth for most of the world is an entirely vain one that ought not to be entertained as it is relying on to many insidious assumptions.

It is sufficient to recognize that large families are NOT a plague, and go on living your own life as best as you know how. As to that discussion, ethical standards cannot be philosophically advanced by empirical data. Philosophy is inherently and necessarily theoretical.

Are We Flucked ?

Sniper007 says...

This is a unique discussion, because the solution is so self evident. Anyone who believes that overpopulation is a real problem, and behaves according to that belief, will remove themselves from the gene pool. Those who believe that overpopulation is a myth will quite literally rule the world. It is inevitable: the myth is self refuting.

Evolution has spoken. And if your not into evolution, go read Genesis 1:28.

Oh, and for a 'common sense' test, just drive through the country side. Though you may think that "'most' of the planet has been 'cleared' for human use" (is a golf course overpopulation?), consider the vast stretches of land that is not being used for food production or habitation. Also consider the massive amount of land that is 'lawn'. I mean for crying out loud, how the hell can the world be even close to over populated when you've got so much freaking space so close to home that is SO USELESS. Dig up your lawn and plant a GARDEN if you think the world is overpopulated. Oh, but no, the only solution is to convince others that they shouldn't procreate, or pass some law, or something. Give me a break.

Hurray for the overpopulation myth. Lets all adopt a one child policy, and follow China into a bright new future.

Los Campesinos!: Sea Is A Good Place To Think Of The Future

calvados says...

http://www.lyricsreg.com/lyrics/los+campesinos/The+Sea+Is+A+Good+Place/

I grabbed hold of her wrist and my hand closed from tip to tip
I said “you’ve taken the diet too far
you have got to let it slip”
But she’s not eating again
she’s not eating again
she’s not eating again
she’s not eating again.
I ask her to speak French and then I need her to translate
I get the feeling she makes the meaning more significant.
She was always far too pretty for me to believe in a single word she said
believe a word she said.
At fourteen her mother died in a routine operation
from allergic reaction to a general anesthetic.
She spent the rest of her teens experimenting with prescriptions
in a futile attempt to know more than the doctors.
She said one day to leave her
sand up to her shoulders waiting for the tide
to drag her to the ocean
to another sea’s shore.
This thing hurts like hell
but what did you expect?

And all you can hear is the sound of your own heart
And all you can feel is your lungs flood and the blood course
But oh I can see five hundred years dead set ahead of me
Five hundred behind
A thousand years in perfect symmetry

Best known left wrist right finger
through all the Southern States
on every video games machine they call her triple A.
There were racists on the radio trying to give up smoking
the chat show host
he joked “you have to wait for the government program”.
You talk about your politics
and I wonder if you could be one of them
but you could never kiss a Tory boy without wanting to cut off your tongue again.
A good place to look to the future is when you are sat at the sea
with the salt up to your ankles and a view of the end of the pier
you may look down at your model’s feet and wish that you’d just float away
and the weather here is overcast and the sea is the same shade of grey
so the landscape before you looks just like the edge of the world
but to the left side and the right side
either way is a crazy golf course.
The sea is a good place to think of the future.

And all you can hear is the sound of your own heart
And all you can feel is your lungs flood and the blood course
But oh I can see five hundred years dead set ahead of me
Five hundred behind
A thousand years in perfect symmetry
A thousand years no getting rid of me
A thousand years in perfect symmetry.

Storming Normandy Beach, Some 55 Years Too Late



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