Way to invoke Godwins law off the bat. You lose.

Isn't it funny how the ridiculous radical right wants to empower businesses to act as they please, deny service to anyone they choose for any reason including race, sexuality, social status, religion, political affiliation, a hat that isn't red, anything until it denies them service, then suddenly the government should be there in full force to protect their right to demand service at all private businesses.

Enjoy your own medicine, morons. You asked for it.

I hope professional sports leave Florida too now, since Desantos has made it a crime to discriminate based on vaccinations in Florida and plans to make that permanent. If I owned a business, I would already be looking to move out of Florida before I got sued for exposing people to Covid. They deserve all the business losses this idiocy causes them. I hope it reaches $ billions that go to other states.

@lantern53
of course i do.
we all do.
but i do not condemn and THAT is a distinction your commentary is lacking.in fact,the majority of your examples are really just choices,loosely based on judgment.

i also never suggested that christians,or anybody else for that matter,applaud a womans decision to have an abortion.i merely suggested that the decision is hers and hers alone and it DOES have serious consequences that the woman will have to carry with her the rest of her life.

as for the nazi analogy...godwins law again,but might i suggest some more reading in that matter?you consistently get that history wrong.

judgment and condemnation are not the same thing my friend.though one may to lead to the other.

so while i may have disapproved of the decision those women made,i do not judge them nor condemn them.which is why i escorted them and helped protect them.

why?
because i am not them,so who am i to judge?
also,it was the christian thing to do.

i always assumed you were christian lantern,my apologies if my assumptions were incorrect and i proceeded from a false premise.

@lantern53

ah my friend.
you seem to have fallen into the propaganda trap.
allow enoch to chat with you for a bit.

are you comfy? need a drink? coffee? a beer?

ok,then let us begin

this is not a political ideology.
this is not right nor left.(seriously limiting terms anyways).

this is about the full picture.

so let us discuss WHAT propaganda actual is,rather than what we are TOLD it is.
propaganda is simply manipulated information presented in a way to appeal to our irrational and emotional response rather than our rational and reasonable.

when i use the term "manipulated" i am not inferring or implying an outright conspiracy (though often-times it may possibly be a conspiracy) but rather a set goal to illicit the desired response.

and there is always an element of truth in propaganda but the truth being presented is controlled and manipulated.which is apparent in your commentary.

corporations use this tactic and we call it mass marketing but the first usage was that of the state to control its own citizenry.america being the major and first to pioneer this tactic.see:edward bernaise and the council of propaganda (later changed to the council of public relations).

so let us break down your examples which i assume are an attempt by you to discredit the assertions in dr wasfi's speech in this video.

1.to point out the crimes against humanity is a straw man argument.
it is irrelevant.
it is a last ditch effort by the american government to excuse and/or validate an illegal war of aggression:
a.no weapons of mass destruction
b.no connection to al qaeda
c.almost 1 trillion lost (literally,they cant account for that money)

so the american government points to the atrocities of saddam hussein and says "look! look at what a bad person he is"!

SQUIRREL!

which brings us to your next point.

2.the atrocities you are referring to were well know when saddam was a paid participant by multiple government agencies.
let me say that again for you:
saddams atrocities were WELL known and was on the american government payroll.
did saddam gas the kurds?------yes
who sold him the gas components?---we did.

so when my government,in a last ditch effort to absolve its complicity in the wreckage that is iraq by pointing to the awful and horrific acts saddam perpetrated on his own people as somehow making the invasion of iraq a righteous act is utter..and complete..hypocrisy.

they KNEW what he was doing and did nothing because it was politically expedient for them to do so.they wished to corral iran and the ends justified the means.see:Zbigniew Brzezinski-the grand chessboard

there are many MANY accounts where the american government turned a blind eye to the suffering of other nation-states citizens because it did not align with our interests.

i find the whole situation morally repugnant and it angers me even further when i see the propaganda twisting my fellow countrymen into believing this is somehow a morally just way to deal with despots,tyrants,zealots.

when it was MY country who put them in power in the first place!

the rationalizations are so deeply cynical and hypocritical that it creates an almost vacuum of cognitive dissonance.

and this is my main point in regards to your commentary.
it is a rationalization given to you by those who wish to continue to oppress,dominate and control those who are powerless.

it gives a semblance of morality where there is none.

because if we took your commentary to its logical conclusion:that sometimes war is necessary to rid the world of "evil" (an arbitrary term based on perspective),then why are we not in those countries that ALSO oppress,kill,maim,torture and immiserate their citizens?

answer:because it does not serve the interests of this government.

so the only usage of emotional heart string pulling is to give americans a sense of moral superiority,while not dealing with the actual reality.

you are being manipulated my friend.
and they have given you a convenient myth to hold onto.

by my commentary i am not dismissing the great works of my country nor am i saying that my country is inherently evil.
i served my country and did my duty.

but i also will not turn a blind eye to the reality on the ground just because i find that information..uncomfortable.

many times the truth is uncomfortable and it takes courage to look at it with clear eyes and a critical mind.

i always stick to the axiom:governments lie

as for your nazi reference,
i invoke godwins law.
the death camps were not even a known reality till the war was almost over and were not the reasons for the war in the first place.
so the context is irrelevant.

as always,
eyes open...
and stay sharp.

@lantern53 keepin it frosty since 1982.stay awesome my man

Downvote for Godwins' law. This guy is scraping the bottom of the same barrel Ben Stein gets his ideas from.

Goddamn Godwins law, it's exactly the sort of thing Hitler would impose.

perhaps i was a bit rash with my comment =P

and blankfist; apples to oranges my friend. an absurd comparison of statements (although i upvoted for creativity)

do we have a problem in the US with police overstepping their bounds? most assuredly. Is it anywhere near as freedom threatening as its been made out to be? I dont think so but that could be argued otherwise (Britain is worse imo)

Recently its just been a major peeve of mine that grab words like police-state or fascist are thrown around as a metaphor for something an individual doesnt like and rarely has any ties to the original context of the word(s). In the same way that anyone invoking Godwins Law is annoying as shit

have i spent time in china, laos, etc? no, but i can very much objectively say that policed oppression of freedoms occur in those countries more broadly and in much higher frequencies than here in the US. I have, however, spent two extended tours (3 years in total) in afghanistan. Now while the oppression their is slightly different the principles are more or less the same.

so if it would please the Sift Court, allow me to apologize for my reckless comment and rephrase it in a way that is both appropriate and polite =)

*ahem* based on what i saw in the video, there is some badge bullying occurring, however, i dont think it is conclusive that based on this video alone that our liberties as individuals are being threatened by any stretch of the imagination......asshats (pottymouth, hard habbit to break =P)

NordlichReiter presented an excellent response to this "dilemma"

Hey guys, we have gotten this far in the thread and haven't evoked Godwins law! Woot!

Is there a Godwin law for invoking 9/11 yet?

Also "America Is Good." You missspellt God.

"A few people pressing the buttons". Well. Wait? What? That's true for all administrations, it's just that this one doesn't fit in your batshit insane crazy sky man 9/12 (ONE BETTER THAN 9/11) world.

THERE ARE PEOPLE GATHERING IN RANCHES IN TEXAS.

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Krauthammer... what the fook.

GODWINS LAW!

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Bubba, go back to the shrimping business.

Off-Topic:
What you are saying is:
A] Killing is better then raping
Both are evil, but if you had to choose most would think being raped is better then getting killed.
B] You also assume that all fights are clear. In most cases you will see someone in a dark alley, shoot him and later figure out he was on his way with a toy gun for his kid.
C] Nut jobs tend to have guns and use them. The rest of us dont have the time or inclination to buy guns.
D] Worst of all: in your world, you automatically get into an arms race. Every time someone buys a bigger and better gun, you need one to for "protection". In the end that will drive you paranoid and your only option is a preventive strike.

On-Topic:
What the hell do religious fanatics have to do with Europeans hating Americans or not? Is this a new form of Godwins law? If a discussion is sufficiently long, someone starts to compare issues with terrorism?

BTW, those countries you mentioned were hated plenty in their imperialistic days. Not the least by a group of people who fled those countries to find their luck elsewhere. Yes, smart ass. I am talking about your ancestors. If there is such a thing as hating Americans (and I dont believe a word of it) they are just returning the favor.

Instead of hate or scorn, try bewilderment. Most of the people in this world read about the US, shrug, roll their eyes and go about their business wondering how a country can dig its own grave like that.

I still remember the US as 1 of the 2 countries not recognizing the international war tribunal. The standpoint being that if ever a US citizen would be accused of war crimes, the US would send an invasion force to liberate him. The mayor of The Hague (small town where the court is) had US flags placed around a small section of beach so the invasion force wouldnt disturb the tourists. That is how the rest of the world thinks about the US. Like you do about your grandmother. There is a lot of respect for what she could and sometimes still can do. But most of the time she is just totally demented.

>> ^dag:
Good point. We'll add it to the list.


Here is a copy of that list:

-Record new rap album titled: "Dag's in da House"
-Develop device to hook laptop to steering wheel of a car.
-Pitch videosift reality TV series to network executives.
-Ask Toys R' Us to sell exclusive siftbot action figure with kung-fu grip.
-Flip through 1346 cable channels before realizing there is nothing worth watching.
-Work out a mathematical algorithm for 'Godwins law' using the letters H-I-T-L-E-R as variables.
-Semi-retire e-mail verification.