Research is an important part of education. It helps us understand and know things better and find possible solutions to any problem that may arouse along our way of life. Unifying the scientific hypotheses of formation is an undertaking that science and religion have been incapable of achieving thus far. But every little thing may change, due to a breakthrough by Fermilab in Illinois of what could really be the “God particle”. Within two days of one another, both labs say they have found significant tips at the existence of the sought-after Higgs boson, previously a theoretic gem in the crown of particle science. Here is the proof: Higgs boson breakthrough hailed as window unto creation.

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>> ^honkeytonk73:
They should look for the Jesus particle. Not only the God particle. I suppose there is also a Muhammad, a Buddha and a Xenu particle too.

Yeah, but the Xenu particle goes around talking shit about the other particles and uses embarrassing gluons it stole from well-known molecules that were edited by its brainwashed quarks.


Could very well be! Maybe the 'body thetans' stick to us via gluons after they get blown up by hydrogen bombs in volcanoes! We may just be on to something! Or.. ON SOMETHING. Yeah. Maybe that is it.

>> ^honkeytonk73:
They should look for the Jesus particle. Not only the God particle. I suppose there is also a Muhammad, a Buddha and a Xenu particle too.


Yeah, but the Xenu particle goes around talking shit about the other particles and uses embarrassing gluons it stole from well-known molecules that were edited by its brainwashed quarks.

They should look for the Jesus particle. Not only the God particle. I suppose there is also a Muhammad, a Buddha and a Xenu particle too.

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"superposition of possibility" that's a bunch of quantum flapdoodle. It bothers me when spirituality tries to borrow terms from science to sound more reputable.

Conversely- Science shouldn't borrow from religion. eg. the "god particle".

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Maybe you have to combine Lost-Mercury Frost-Casting with Soap-Bubble Art, and you can make a containment field for the God Particle.

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you should read the wikipedia article, because it's a fascinating experiment and people are, for the most part, largely ignorant or misinformed about it.


That's because most reporters either don't understand it themselves or they feel the need to dumb it down so the lowest common denominator may have an interest in it. I agree that "the God Particle" is a drastically, oversimplified and incorrect term. And to think it would explain all of physics is absurd, though it may give affirmation as to which direction to further continue our exploration!

>> ^NobleOne:
Why are they using the CERN to find the God particle?


I'll move off-topic a bit in defense of CERN and the LHC. Sorry, I can't help myself.

In short: they're not. First of all, the "god particle" is a dumb hype name popularized by the media for the hypothesized Higgs boson, a scalar particle the existence of which is predicted by the standard model of particle physics. The misconception is that, if found, it would 'explain all of physics', which is, again, a major overstatement. Secondly, they're using the LHC for a variety of different purposes - you should read the wikipedia article, because it's a fascinating experiment and people are, for the most part, largely ignorant or misinformed about it.

I just fucking wrote for 30 mins and mozilla crashed....WTF! Ok to starting over.... I guess i don't know what my position really is on Atheism.... I see it as way to think out of the box and most of what you say i agree with but i still have belief in a higher power because humans are flawed by our own selfishness....what i was getting at with the one celled micro-organism was not it's reproduction nor it's conscience; but how does it have life? Why are they using the CERN to find the God particle? The only way to give a fair rebuttal would be for me to write a collegiate style research paper on atheism and that is not going to happen anytime soon....Humans maybe the dominant force on this planet but the whole universe?

Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough'
Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the CERN quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out."
Find out more about that "stuff" below;
http://www.SaneScience.org/
http://www.LHCFacts.org
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.lhcdefense.org/
http://www.lhcconcerns.com
Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html"

Humans believe a lot of crazy sh*t. (Alien abductions, ghosts, the yeti, the Loch-Ness Monster, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, The Secret, Amway, and countless absurd 911 conspiracies to name a few.) I don't think that a natural desire to believe in any of these things provides any evidence that these things exist. (IMO) The same goes for God.


Why do humans want to believe in the supernatural? Because the supernatural is exiting, mysterious, different and most of all AWESOME, but that doesn't make it real. We are imaginative creatures.

I think your animosity towards science in misguided. Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive, in fact, if religion is to be believe, they are one in the same.

If religion is to be believed, then science would be the best way to understand how God put this universe together. Rather than judge science by intangible assumptions about God, perhaps it would be better to use science as a way to better understand God.

I like and agree with your 'fuck it' definition of faith, but most people who share that definition don't bother to argue about science, because it is irrelevant to their world view. You, on the other hand, seem to be genuinely bothered by the fact that science contradicts some of your personal beliefs. I think you have an internal conflict to work out here. (IMO) This inner conflict means you are a thoughtful person.

Minor distinction. You see God as time/space/etc.; I see God as a euphemism for time/space/etc..

FWIW, I was baptized Catholic and believed in God until I was 12 or 13 years old.

In reply to this comment by MINK:
i just wonder why we naturally want to assume there is a reason for everything. why would that basic urge be so deep in us? why would it emerge in the first place? I don't think that "survival instinct" line explains eveything, we do plenty of stuff that's not for survival, we even die for that stuff. I don't think a concept called the "selfish gene" can be the answer. I just don't think like that.

so in a way, the instinct to think about God is my proof of God (in a wordy twisted logic way, not a lab experiment).

I think, therefore He is, I might say.

but that doesn't impress people in an age of lab experiments and petri dishes and electron microscopes. i guess you want to detect the God particle before you'll believe.

Fine. As long as you are looking for it (because as any scientist can tell you, observation affects things), not just waiting for it to hit you in the face without asking.

And, fine, as long as you understand that my "faith" is kinda like "fuck it, i'm pretty damn sure this feeling comes from God, I don't need to wait for someone to find the God particle, I'm already convinced, and I don't care if that isn't scientific by todays standards, it's cool."

And fine, if you don't call me stupid for going on this hunch.

Thanks for forcing me to think about that.

btw god IS infinity, time, space, death etc. we totally agree. but maybe you're more optimistic about todays understanding of the scientific method being the ideal way to find the answers. and i am pretty sure the answer we find will look pretty much like God. some kind of beautifully simple mathematical formula that can unfold into an entire universe. Then, accept that the formula wanted to become a universe so that's God.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
(I believe) Religion is a all-purpose placeholder for things that are beyond our comprehension (infinity, time, space, death, existence, etc.....) As humans we want to believe there is some grand overarching reason for our existence, but my gut tells me that the only meaning in our lives is the meaning we create for ourselves, which is pretty fucking cool, actually.

If God wants to prove me wrong, I'm open to that.

In reply to this comment by MINK:
following is for sheep. but jesus wasn't far wrong. i just know that there's a reason. I don't know how i know, but i don't try to ignore the gut feeling just because it isn't verifiable in a laboratory (yet).

you?

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Fair enough. If not the big C, then what faith do you follow?

i just wonder why we naturally want to assume there is a reason for everything. why would that basic urge be so deep in us? why would it emerge in the first place? I don't think that "survival instinct" line explains eveything, we do plenty of stuff that's not for survival, we even die for that stuff. I don't think a concept called the "selfish gene" can be the answer. I just don't think like that.

so in a way, the instinct to think about God is my proof of God (in a wordy twisted logic way, not a lab experiment).

I think, therefore He is, I might say.

but that doesn't impress people in an age of lab experiments and petri dishes and electron microscopes. i guess you want to detect the God particle before you'll believe.

Fine. As long as you are looking for it (because as any scientist can tell you, observation affects things), not just waiting for it to hit you in the face without asking.

And, fine, as long as you understand that my "faith" is kinda like "fuck it, i'm pretty damn sure this feeling comes from God, I don't need to wait for someone to find the God particle, I'm already convinced, and I don't care if that isn't scientific by todays standards, it's cool."

And fine, if you don't call me stupid for going on this hunch.

Thanks for forcing me to think about that.

btw god IS infinity, time, space, death etc. we totally agree. but maybe you're more optimistic about todays understanding of the scientific method being the ideal way to find the answers. and i am pretty sure the answer we find will look pretty much like God. some kind of beautifully simple mathematical formula that can unfold into an entire universe. Then, accept that the formula wanted to become a universe so that's God.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
(I believe) Religion is a all-purpose placeholder for things that are beyond our comprehension (infinity, time, space, death, existence, etc.....) As humans we want to believe there is some grand overarching reason for our existence, but my gut tells me that the only meaning in our lives is the meaning we create for ourselves, which is pretty fucking cool, actually.

If God wants to prove me wrong, I'm open to that.

In reply to this comment by MINK:
following is for sheep. but jesus wasn't far wrong. i just know that there's a reason. I don't know how i know, but i don't try to ignore the gut feeling just because it isn't verifiable in a laboratory (yet).

you?

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Fair enough. If not the big C, then what faith do you follow?