have read a number of Lee descendants were okay w/removing his statues, too. by now, i'd hope, most folks know R.E.L. said statues weren't gonna be helpful.

“I think it wiser, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.”

of course, he was talking about a gettysburg memorial, so maybe he was reluctant to have a memorial at the site of his gravest error.

but the issue is like most things: complicated. like the lincoln emancipation memorial. get how the couchant slave is a downer, but the fact former slaves paid for its erection, the model for the slave was t.s. eliott grandpa's gardener, a former escaped slave, and is mohammed ali's direct ancestor - is kinda cool. maybe worth having around just to explain all the details around its history.

6/10 polled said they believe they should remain, a tiny bit different from wanting them standing, but surprising none the less.
So was this quote from Robert E Lee denouncing civil war monuments....

“I think it wiser,” the retired military leader wrote about a proposed Gettysburg memorial in 1869, “…not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments/

And here's the list of the scenes;

Sir Patrick Stewart (Star Trek: The Next Generation - "Hide and Q" - 1987)
Jeff Daniels (Gettysburg - 1993)
Iain Glen (Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead - 1990)
Jennifer Saunders and Dawn French (Coraline - 2009)
Frank Grimes (Britannia Hospital - 1982)
Robin Atkin Downes (Babylon 5 - "The Paragon of Animals" - 1998)
Richard E. Grant (Withnail & I - 1986)
Mitchell Ryan (Grosse Pointe Blank)

"100% of the people who died at Gettysburg..."

Buffalo Soldiers

what a fucking crotch waffle

I forgot the Gettysburg Address. Dur. Only one I got wrong, at least. I also took issue at the wording of the ones that bamdrew pointed out, though.

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
I like how the mom just casually walks by and smiles like "ya hun, we gonna be rich in 30 years, huh?"


Looks like she is leaving to drive his little sister to college class.

>> ^BillOreilly:
Hussein Obama could also recite long passages when he was 2, except it was from the Koran.

Really, wtf man? Why do you have to do this? It's a cute video of a child reciting a famous speech and you have to shit on it with your worthless and completely irrelevant comment like an asshole. Wtf is wrong with you?

I want to see the Gettysburg Address.

"Did anyone see this movie?"

Unfortunately, yes. I loved Gettysburg, despite its weaknesses, but Gods and Generals was just plain bad. The film was badly paced, lacked any sort of dramatic energy, and accomplished the impossible by making battles such as Fredricksburg and Chancellorsville utterly boring. And for a movie that was primarily a biopic of Stonewall Jackson, you leave the theater with no sense of what made Jackson such a superior general. The movie's positive portrayal of slave-master relations in the South was pretty sickening as well, almost reminiscent of Disney's Song of the South.

"Those who say that the Iraq war has nothing to do with the war on terror seem not to notice that the terrorists themselves obviously think otherwise.

Terrorists are pouring men and military equipment into Iraq, with the help of Iran, and using suicide bombers there for some reason.

Terrorists recognize the high stakes in the outcome of this war, even if growing numbers of people over here refuse to.

To drive the United States out of Iraq would be a huge victory for the terrorists, attracting both recruits and support from around the world, and causing countries around the world to reconsider their ties to the United States.

Much has been made of how long we have already stayed in Iraq, the casualties, and the mistakes that have been made. But both deaths and mistakes have always been inseparable from war.

As for how long we have been in Iraq, the cost of a war is not measured in time. It is measured in lives lost.

While our media are impatiently waiting for the 4,000th American death in Iraq that they can trumpet, and rub our noses in -- in the name of "honoring the troops" -- we need to understand that casualty rates in Iraq are low, as wars go.

If and when that 4,000th American death in Iraq is reached, we need to recall that more Marines than that were lost taking one island in the Pacific during World War II.

During the Civil War, more than twice as many Union soldiers as that were killed -- in one day -- at the battle of Shiloh, and again at Gettysburg.

The "war on terror" is a misleading phrase. It is the terrorists' war against us -- and it is not something that we can unilaterally call off. Our only choice is where to fight it, over there or over here."

It is a great speech; maybe not the greatest. Arguably, Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address was the greatest Presidential Speech. Some believe it eclipsed the Gettysburg Address which many believe to be the greatest Presidential speech ever.

The text of Lincoln's address may be found here:

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/inaug2.htm

Kennedy was a statesman. Perhaps, sadly, he was the greatest statesman to sit in the Oval Office that I will see in my lifetime. I also, to large extent, agree with his sentiments in this speech. However, the video commentary contextualizes Kennedy's speech in ways unintended by the author. Great speech, but spare me the visual preaching that goes along with it. No vote.