If we prohibit so people don't have to make the choice, then we should prohibit high fructose corn syrup too, so people don't choose to eat some much sugar and get so fat.

We don't prohibit alcohol, because some people might become alcoholics or have some personality flaw that makes them drink beer every day, why should it be that way with weed?
>> ^NetRunner:

"When you prohibit something, it doesn't mean it's going away; it means it's going to be run by criminals."

You call it "food", I call it high fructose corn syrup. Seriously, I visited the US last month... even the coffee creamer was made from corn. WTF?

I had my coffee black instead.

>> ^Doc_M:
Spoco, you say that obesity is a "new thing" but what you haven't seen is that food hasn't always been as available as it is now. BR>Seriously.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

At Boise State they eat a diet rich in potatoes, corn and high-fructose corn syrup.>> ^deathcow:
so THATS where the girls permanently scarred by being 2.1 pounds overweight for the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders go ( after Ben and Jerrys)

What the fuck are you talking about? Red herrings and ad hominums abound in your drivel.
Are you suggesting that this video lacks merit because you're disgruntled about the decision to send more troops into Afghanistan?
Or, are you upset with the impending cost of sugar overtaking high fructose corn syrup, suggesting that once I can no longer afford to buy kool-aid, I will see clearly?
Are you talking about Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters' Kool-Aid?
Or, once I quit smoking pot I'll become as aware as you obviously think you are?

But what will all those cops, DEA agents and customs inspectors do without the marijuana busts to keep them occupied?

Making it legal will cause massive layoffs in the government agencies enforcing this! You would have to make something else illegal to compensate. I suggest high-fructose corn syrup!

As unfortunate and uncomfortable as this is, it's far less moving to me than say, a single iraqi child with their arm blown off. Until we've stopped indiscriminately killing people, I'm not going to worry about baby chickens getting turned into cat chow.

Factory farming is a necessary evil, there's too many people for us all to raise our own livestock. Food animals are a commodity, they're not pets, once you stop thinking of them as such, it's easy to compare what you see in videos like this with harvesting produce.

Frankly I'm more disgusted with what the corn industry has done to corn farming, relying on tax money to keep prices low enough to grow billions of tons of inedible produce that can only be used for the high fructose corn syrup that is killing so many obese people. It's a sad state of affairs that a corn farmer can't even feed their family the "food" the produce.

>> ^rasch187
I would like to see some objective sources for your claims, imstellar.


How much are you paying me for the pleasure of being your personal research assistant?

If you are honestly interested in the validity of any of the claims I made, I'm sure you'll be able to pick out a few terms from what I presented and turn them into a couple Google searches.

Heres a start:

"THE METABOLISM OF TUMORS IN THE BODY. Otto Warbug. Kaiser Wilhelm Institut fur Biologic, 1926"

"On respiratory impairment in cancer cells."

"The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1931"

"My life with the Eskimo: Vilhjalmur Stefansson"

"Oncogenes in Tumor Metabolism, Tumorigenesis, and Apoptosis"

"Saccharine Disease"

"Good Calories Bad Calories"

"Elevated Insulin-like Growth Factor I Receptor Autophosphorylation and Kinase Activity in Human Breast Cancer"

"Potential role of sugar (fructose) in the epidemic of hypertension, obesity and the metabolic syndrome, diabetes, kidney disease, and cardiovascular disease1"

"Increased consumption of refined carbohydrates and the epidemic of type 2 diabetes in the United States: an ecologic assessment"

"Dietary glycemic index, glycemic load, and the risk of breast cancer in an Italian prospective cohort study1"

"A HISTORY OF SUGAR MF.RKETING THROUGH 1974, U. S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ECONOMICS. STATISTICS, AND COOPERATIVES SERVICE
AGRICULTURAL ECONOMIC REPORT NO. 382"

"Glycemic Index and Serum High-Density Lipoprotein
Cholesterol Concentration Among US Adults"

"Relation between a diet with a high glycemic load and plasma concentrations of high-sensitivity C-reactive protein in middle-aged women1"

"Studies on the Metabolism of Eskimos - Journal of Biological Chemistry"

"Dietary protein intake and renal function"

"Advanced glycation end products and the absence of premature
atherosclerosis in glycogen storage disease Ia"

"Chemical Calorimetry. XLV. Prolonged Meat Diets with a study of Kidney function and Ketosis"

"Diabetes Mellitus - Japan 1950-2004"

"Diabetic Mortality rate and the amount of sugar consumed per capital in England and Wales"

"Pounds per sugar per head per year from 1800 to 1960"

"Fasting insulin and incident dementia in an elderly population of Japanese-American men"

"Diabetes mellitus and the risk of dementia "

"Prevalence of the Metabolic Syndrome Among US Adults"

"Cardiovascular Morbidity and Mortality Associated With the Metabolic Syndrome"

"C-Reactive Protein, the Metabolic Syndrome, and Risk of Incident Cardiovascular Events "

"Obesity and the Metabolic Syndrome in Children and Adolescents"

"NCEP-defined metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and prevalence of coronary heart disease"

"Coronary-heart-disease risk and impaired glucose tolerance. The Whitehall study."

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
High-fructose corn syrup and "real sugar" are metabolically identical. HFCS is not worse for you than sugar. It's just calories.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4157


Doesn't matter if they're better or worse, HFCS tastes different.

I'm from Australia, and traveling to the US and having the coke over there... yup, it tastes different.

Not worse necessarily, but different.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
High-fructose corn syrup and "real sugar" are metabolically identical. HFCS is not worse for you than sugar. It's just calories.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4157


maybe metabolically identical, but not moneyshotically identical.

High-fructose corn syrup and "real sugar" are metabolically identical. HFCS is not worse for you than sugar. It's just calories.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4157

>> ^spawnflagger:
Does german sprite use high-fructose corn syrup, or real sugar ?


Sugar in all of Europe I think.

Does german sprite use high-fructose corn syrup, or real sugar ?

Ah, khoks was the adult store, I suppose

Yeah I shopped at Kohl's yesterday - I think their pricing is weird, because you pay about half of what the item says... your culture is weird!

Today we went to a kiddie pool with bea's spawn, and I think her evil sisters are coming over tonight to nag me to death. And we're heading off to wal mart to buy hundreds of the same things.

Sodas:
Everything uses high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar - result, america is fat.
Coke is pretty much the same, a bit sweeter here I think, but mostly the same.
Dr. Pepper is pretty sweet, tastes like marzipan.
I tried a sip of bea cherry diet pepsi, I don't think I've ever tasted anything that sweet before.. it was insanely sweet. It can't be any kinds of healthy for anything.
It's pretty hot outside, but we've had an overcast these two days, so it's not really been scorching. Just really humid and warm. Everything has ACs, so inside its always pretty cool, even a bit too cool. I could imagine people getting colds from the rapid temperature switches, coming from 100F outside to freaking 50F inside.

your statement is true....one needs to take into account the actual levels of mercury.

from the abstract: The samples were found to contain levels of mercury ranging from below a detection limit of 0.005 to 0.570 micrograms mercury per gram of high fructose corn syrup. Average daily consumption of high fructose corn syrup is about 50 grams per person in the United States. With respect to total mercury exposure, it may be necessary to account for this source of mercury in the diet of children and sensitive populations.

this was one of two studies done on the subject. While I know the 2nd study found mercury in more products that contain HFCS, I'm not sure at what levels.

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In reply to this comment by jwray:
>> ^qruel:
Since we are talking about Mercury... here's some interesting facts...
Gold mines are the nation's largest source of mercury pollution. Like all mining, separating and processing the gold creates tons of toxic metals, like lead and mercury. Nevada is home to eight of the nation's top 10 mercury polluters. Here is a list of the top 100 Some other sources: Coal Fired Power Plants, Cement Kilns, Incinerators, Chlor-alkali Production, Chemical Plants.

In 2005 the FDA did a study that showed mercury in many food products that contained High Fructose Corn Syrup (due to mercury in the caustic soda and hydrochloric acid used in the manufacture of HFCS), and the FDA did absolutely nothing about it.


Presence of "detectable" levels is meaningless unless you name a specific concentration. Nearly everything will randomly contain at least 1 part in 10^20 of whichever stable element you want, which could be measured with a sufficiently accurate mass spectrometer.

^jwray
your statement is true....one needs to take into account the actual levels of mercury.

from the abstract: The samples were found to contain levels of mercury ranging from below a detection limit of 0.005 to 0.570 micrograms mercury per gram of high fructose corn syrup. Average daily consumption of high fructose corn syrup is about 50 grams per person in the United States. With respect to total mercury exposure, it may be necessary to account for this source of mercury in the diet of children and sensitive populations.

this was one of two studies done on the subject. While I know the 2nd one found mercury in more products that contain HFCS, I'm not sure at what levels.