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>> ^eric3579:
I hate that gwaan, karaidl, michie, rickegee, raven, etc... (I could go on forever) are not around anymore.


Was there ever a particular reason for this? I miss them too.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Me too.

In reply to this comment by eric3579:
I hate that gwaan, karaidl, michie, rickegee, raven, etc... (I could go on forever) are not around anymore.

I hate that gwaan, karaidl, michie, rickegee, raven, etc... (I could go on forever) are not around anymore.

(updated July 4 2008)

After some thinking I created this (2b further tweaked) categorization based on joedirt's post. Most channels could fall into one (sub)category yet some were more vague in their description or channel name, which creates categorization problems which need to be attended. Here we go:

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Time
----

80s: dag, active
future: jwray, active
vintage: swampgirl, active

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Geography
---------

asia: Lucky760, active
british: Zifnab, active
canada: Calvados, active
downunder: maatc, active

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Educational
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(general)
philosophy: bluecliff, MIA
science: rembar, active

(spirituality)
religion: jimnms, active
--> islam: Gwaan, MIA
cult: therealblankman, active

(natural world)
nature: Arvana, active
engineering: oxdottir, active
geek: gorgonheap, active
military: darksun, MIA
spacy: lunkwill, active

(social world)
history: rickegee, MIA
humanitarian: bl968, MIA
politics: Open
--> election 08: joedirt, active
--> war on terror: raven, MIA
--> world affairs: histnerd, active

---------------------
Identities/lifestyles
---------------------

catsanddogs: youdiejoe, active
drugs: rottenseed, active
geek: gorgonheap, active
kids: James Roe, active
sexuality: persephone, active
--> femme: intangiblemeg, MIA
--> gay: Open
travel: silvercord, ?


----------------------
Arts and Entertainment
----------------------

art: plastiquemonkey, active
animation: thesnipe, active
--> woo hoo: Krupo, active
bravo (italian): Deano, MIA
cinema: pigeon, ?
cooking: djsunkid, active
music: Open
--> hiphop: benjee, MIA
--> jazz/blues/soul: choggie, active
--> rocknroll: MLX, ?
--> livemusic: deathcow, active
shortfilms: Sarzy, active
sports: michie, MIA
videogames: Oatmeal, active

(a&e genres)
actionpack: wildmanbill, MIA
comedy: Open
--> stand up: winkler1, active
--> parody: dotdude, active
drugs: rottenseed, active
grindhouse: dw117, active
horror show: pyrex, MIA
mystery: grspec, MIA
scifi: Firefly, active
spacy: lunkwill, active
wild west show: Open

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Format
------

1sttube: Grimm, active
books: kronosposeidon, active
bravo (italian): Deano, MIA
commercial: Looris, MIA
documentaries: Fedquip, active
howto: maudlin, MIA
latenight: eric3579, active
meme: MarineGunrock, active
shortfilms: Sarzy, active
viral: Open

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Opinions/Emotions
-----------------

cute: Open
dark: dystopianfututretoday, active
eia (stupid): karaidl, MIA
fear: blankfist, active
happy: Issykitty, active
lies: Fjnbk, active
obscure (underground): Farhad2000, active
terrible: sometimes, active
wtf: Spiff, ?


Mentioned twice:
-bravo (italian): Deano, MIA
-drugs: rottenseed, active
-geek: gorgonheap, active
-spacy: lunkwill, active

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Cultural
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80s: dag, active
asia: Lucky760, active
bravo (italian): Deano, MIA
british: Zifnab, active
canada: Calvados, active
downunder: maatc, active
kids: James Roe, active
geek: gorgonheap, active

----------------
Entertainment
----------------
1sttube: Grimm, active
vintage: swampgirl, active
animation: thesnipe, active
--> woo hoo: Krupo, active
latenight: eric3579, active

commercial: Looris, MIA
viral: Open
--> meme: MarineGunrock, active

comedy: Open
--> stand up: winkler1, active
--> parody: dotdude, active

music: Open
--> hiphop: benjee, MIA
--> jazz: choggie, active
--> rocknroll: MLX, ?
--> livemusic: deathcow, active

cinema: pigeon, ?
--> shortfilms: Sarzy, active
--> grindhouse: dw117, active

actionpack: wildmanbill, MIA
dark: dystopianfututretoday, active
horror show: pyrex, MIA
mystery: grspec, MIA
wild west show: Open
scifi: Firefly, active

documentaries: Fedquip, active

sports: michie, MIA

videogames: Oatmeal, active

----------------
Educational
----------------
art: plastiquemonkey, active
books: kronosposeidon, active
science: rembar, active
engineering: oxdottir, active
nature: Arvana, active
catsanddogs: youdiejoe, active
cooking: djsunkid, active
history: rickegee, MIA
military: darksun, MIA
spacey: lunkwill, active
travel: silvercord, ?
howto: maudlin, MIA

politics: Open
--> election 08: joedirt, active
--> war on terror: raven, MIA
--> world affairs: histnerd, active

religion: LadyBug, MIA
--> cult: therealblankman, active
--> islam: Gwann, MIA

humanitarian: bl968, MIA
philosophy: bluecliff, MIA

sexuality: persephone, active
--> femme: intangiblemeg, MIA
--> gay: Open




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Other
----------------
cute: Open
--> happy: Issykitty, active
obscure: Farhad2000, active
terrible: sometimes, active
eia: karaidl, MIA
fear: blankfist, active
lies: Fjnbk, active
wtf: Spiff, ?

Here, let me help you with this. Some of these channels are managed, but for whatever reason their overlords are too busy to respond*. The ones I've marked "active": I've seen them around here recently, either posting videos, or commenting, or voting, or all of the above. The ones I marked "AWOL": I've seen neither hide nor hair of them in ages. The ones I marked "?": Unsure.

If I marked any of you "AWOL" and I'm wrong, now is the time to open your piehole. Same goes for those I marked "?"

*They probably also don't like you. Around the water cooler I hear some of them call you "gorgoncreep". Better you hear this from me than through the grapevine.

-1sttube: Grimm, active
-cooking: djsunkid, active
*happy: Issykitty, active
-music: doesn't have an overlord
-sports: michie, AWOL
-80s: dag, active
-cult: therealblankman, active
-hiphop: benjee, AWOL
-mystery: grspec, AWOL
-standup: winkler1, ?
-actionpack: wildmanBill, AWOL
-cute: doesn't have an overlord
-history: rickegee, ?
*nature: Arvana, active
-terrible: sometimes, active
-animation: thesnipe, ?
-dark: dystopianfuturetoday, active
-horror show: pyrex, AWOL
-obscure: Farhad2000, active
-travel: silvercord, ?
-art: plastiquemonkey, AWOL
-documentaries: Fedquip, active
-howto: maudlin, AWOL
*parody: dotdude, active
-videogames: Oatmeal, active
-asia: lucky760, active
-downunder: maatc, active
-humanitarian: bl968, AWOL
-philosophy: bluecliff, AWOL
*vintage: swampgirl, active
*books: kronosposeidon, active
-eia: karaidl, AWOL
-islam: gwaan, AWOL
-politics: doesn't have an overlord
-viral: doesn't have an overlord
-bravo: Deano, AWOL
-election08; joedirt, active
-jazz: choggie, active
-religion: LadyBug, AWOL
-waronterror: raven, AWOL
-british: Zifnab, active
-engineering: oxdottir, active
-kids: James Roe, active
-rocknroll: mlx, ?
-wildwestshow: doesn't have an overlord
-canada: calvados, active
-fear: blankfist, active
-latenight: eric3579, active
-science: rembar, active
-woohoo: Krupo, active
-catsanddogs: youdiejoe, active
-femme: intangiblemeg, ?
*lies: Fjnbk, active
*scifi: Firefly, active
-worldaffairs: histnerd, ?
-cinema: pigeon, ?
-gay: doesn't have an overlord
-livemusic: deathcow, active
-sexuality: persephone, ?
-wtf: Spiff, active
-comedy: doesn't have an overlord
*geek: gorgonheap, active
-meme: MarineGunrock, active
-shortfilms: Sarzy, active
-commercial: looris, ?
-grindhouse: dw1117, active
-military: darksun, AWOL
-spacy: lunkwill, active

Begging is only available for videos in your personal queue - ignoring beg request by rickegee.

>> ^SDGundamX:
>> ^twiddles:
If one wanted to be pedantic about things you would apply the legal definitions. And if your name was Scalia you would sound like a prick.

It's not about being pedantic, it's about being precise. If "punishment" can mean "interrogation" then any word in a law can mean anything anyone chooses and the entire legal system crumbles.

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By its own volition that comment should be considered pedantic. Besides I never said that punishment can or should mean interrogation. Torture is cruel and unusual punishment. Interrogation is not torture.

Also I agree with rickegee that the 5th is likely the one that applies here (IANAL). However I was merely stating an opinion that Scalia likes to dance on the head of a pin in order to justify his political beliefs.

>> ^twiddles:

Amendment VIII
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
pun·ish·ment
1: the act of punishing
2 a: suffering, pain, or loss that serves as retribution
   b: a penalty inflicted on an offender through judicial procedure
3: severe, rough, or disastrous treatment

Nowhere does it define punishment as being post conviction. Indeed the amendment as a single sentence mentions bail which is certainly not restricted to post conviction. The logical conclusion based on the possible definitions of punishment - even if you were to read the constitution and its amendments literally - is that cruel or unusual punishment (severe treatment) at any time is prohibited. How do you get to punishment as being only something that happens upon conviction? Any case law to back that up? Is it okay if I hit you repeatedly with an iron bar as long as I am "interogatting" you? That flies in the face of logic. If you stretch it enough you can say it is okay if you kill the suspect as long as you were interrogating them.
I agree with NetRunner, Scalia isn't doing his job correctly and he is being a smug prick about it.


rickegee already pointed out the case law.

The dictionary definitions are moot because legal definitions differ from common dictionary definitions. Here is the legal definition of cruel and unusual punisment. Note that it specifies convicted criminal defendants:

"cruel and unusual punishment n. governmental penalties against convicted criminal defendants which are barbaric, involve torture and/or shock the public morality. They are specifically prohibited under the Eighth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. However, nowhere are they specifically defined. Tortures like the rack (stretching the body inch by inch) or the thumbscrew, dismemberment, breaking bones, maiming, actions involving deep or long-lasting pain are all banned. But solitary confinement, enforced silence, necessary force to prevent injury to fellow prisoners or guards, psychological humiliation, and bad food are generally allowed. In short, there is a large gray area, in which "cruel and unusual" is definitely subjective based on individual sensitivities and moral outlook. The U. S. Supreme Court waffled on the death penalty, declaring that some forms of the penalty were cruel and prohibited under the Furman case (1972), which halted executions for several years, but later relaxed the prohibition. The question remains if the gas chamber, hanging, or electrocution are cruel and unusual. Cruel, certainly, but hanging was not unusual at the time the Bill of Rights was adopted. (See: capital punishment)"

West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc.

No one is saying it's okay to beat (American) prisoners or the like. The argument is that other constitutional rights and other laws are being violated in those cases: not the 8th Amendment.

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