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Mark Zuckerberg testifies before Congress

b4rringt0n says...

I watched some of this live last night and I found that many of the questions were so basic that they could have been answered with a simple online search. It felt like the panel didn't really do much research beforehand and some of them didn't really grasp the concept of what Facebook actually is.

I didn't watch the whole thing and read a few articles this morning summarizing it all. One question worth answering was whether Facebook sells any of their user data to third parties and Mark Zuckerberg confirms that they don't at least.

They could have asked more questions about what else is done with the incredible amount of data that they have.

b4rringt0n (Member Profile)

Why you keep using Facebook, even if you hate it

CrushBug says...

Not to be all hipster and such, but I stopped using Facebook about 5-6 years ago, when Google Plus came out. I liked Google Plus, because it put me more in contact with people of similar interests and seemed to help me avoid crazy family members.

After a year or so I stopped using G+ as well. I just didn't find that kind of connection useful to me. Not sure what it was, but it felt like I had to participate in order to get anything out of it.

I was probably off all social media until about 2 years ago when I got on Twitter. I have been pretty happy with the asynchronous nature of it.

I really should just delete my FB account.

Why you keep using Facebook, even if you hate it

ChaosEngine says...

“If you’re not paying, you’re not the customer, you’re the product”

I quite like the concept (or at least the original user facing concept) of Facebook. I have friends and family scattered all over the world and it’s nice to see what they’re up to.

So I would happily pay a few bucks a month for a service that is like Facebook but doesn’t sell your data.

But the problem is the network effect... that service is only useful if everyone is on it.

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Let's Talk About Facebook

Jinx says...

This is where I got my understanding of events from:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/facebooks-cambridge-analytica-scandal-explained/

But yeah, I hope CA get crucified for their role in this.

newtboy said:

They've reported that it secretly, somehow, used granted permission to copy certain personal information from participants as a way to surreptitiously steal far more information than was allowed including the private information of any of their friends, totally against written rules of Facebook, their contract with Facebook, and common decency. Granted, Facebook did nothing to stop them.

There's tons of evidence they used it, but not clear public proof....yet. wait. It took 2 years for this to be public (reportedly Facebook knew years ago and stayed silent).

Again, reportedly they used it to target posts and 'news' individually, specifically contradicting posts and liked stories by individual users.

Yep, Facebook has a lot of blame here, but not all of it. CA are some seriously underhanded bastard all around, see the recordings.

Let's Talk About Facebook

newtboy says...

They've reported that it secretly, somehow, used granted permission to copy certain personal information from participants as a way to surreptitiously steal far more information than was allowed including the private information of any of their friends, totally against written rules of Facebook, their contract with Facebook, and common decency. Granted, Facebook did nothing to stop them.

There's tons of evidence they used it, but not clear public proof....yet. wait. It took 2 years for this to be public (reportedly Facebook knew years ago and stayed silent).

Again, reportedly they used it to target posts and 'news' individually, specifically contradicting posts and liked stories by individual users.

Yep, Facebook has a lot of blame here, but not all of it. CA are some seriously underhanded bastards all around, see the recordings.

Jinx said:

I could well be wrong about this, but my understanding is that the data wasn't really stolen, it was freely shared by Facebook. I also don't think there is any evidence that suggests that CA used their psychoanalytic stuff on the Trump campaign specifically. It sounds like they are targeting voters more on purely their geographical location than any in depth analysis of their social media profile. It seems doubtful to me that CA were the only ones at this game though...

I do think Facebook absolutely shares some blame - They hand over their users data and make app creators etc pinky-swear that they will use it responsibly and delete it once they are done...and then they do absolutely nothing to ensure that agreement is honoured. They either willfully ignored it because they knew the data was likely to be misused, or they were naive to the point of complete incompetence. I really can't see an option C.

Let's Talk About Facebook

Jinx says...

I could well be wrong about this, but my understanding is that the data wasn't really stolen, it was freely shared by Facebook. I also don't think there is any evidence that suggests that CA used their psychoanalytic stuff on the Trump campaign specifically. It sounds like they are targeting voters more on purely their geographical location than any in depth analysis of their social media profile. It seems doubtful to me that CA were the only ones at this game though...

I do think Facebook absolutely shares some blame - They hand over their users data and make app creators etc pinky-swear that they will use it responsibly and delete it once they are done...and then they do absolutely nothing to ensure that agreement is honoured. They either willfully ignored it because they knew the data was likely to be misused, or they were naive to the point of complete incompetence. I really can't see an option C.

newtboy said:

Astonished @bobknight33 posted a video about Trump using more stolen data to further manipulate voters. Kudos.

Let's Talk About Facebook

newtboy says...

Astonished @bobknight33 posted a video about Trump using more stolen data to further manipulate voters. Kudos.

This whole debacle is a prime example of why I won't ever join Facebook or other similar social media. It's been clear from day one they are not going to keep your data safe. Posting your life there is like writing everything you do and think in your diary that you then leave open in the public library every day, assuming the librarian is going to keep it private. Getting your information there is like wading into a mob of angry people and believing what you overhear them scream at each other. I just do not see the appeal, but I am pretty anti-social.

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Inside Of A Chinese Click Farm

xceed says...

From the YouTube link:

Guy Gets Inside A Chinese Click Farm And Holy Crap, That's A Lot Of Phones

​Turns out if you want to run a business where you rate a bunch of apps and write fake reviews, you can't just spoof having a bunch of phones — you actually need the phones. And so that's what we have here: a room full of phones relentlessly rating apps and writing BS reviews because everything in life (and particularly on the internet) is a lie.

A Russian man visited a Chinese click farm. They make fake ratings for mobile apps. He said they have 10,000 more phones.

A Russian Went Inside A Chinese Click-Farm: This Is What He Found

On the day when Snapchat erased billions of market cap from investors (and founders) accounts - as the MAUs-means-money model seems to break - we thought it worthwhile taking another glimpse into the hush-hush world of 'click-farms' and the fakeness of the latest social network fads.

So, if they're not human, where do all those "likes," "retweets," and "followers" lighting up your social media accounts from?

Thanks to this Russian gentleman - who visited a Chinese click farm, where they make fake ratings for mobile apps and other things like this - we now know...

He said they have 10,000 more phones just like these.

As we concluded previously, the bottom line is simple: "The illusion of a massive following is often just that," said Tony Harris, who does social media marketing for major Hollywood movie firms, said he would love to be able to give his clients massive numbers of Twitter followers and Facebook fans, but buying them from random strangers is not very effective or ethical. And once the prevailing users of social networks grasp that one of the main driving features of the current social networking fad du jour is nothing but a big cash scam operating out of a basement in the far east, expect both Facebook and shortly thereafter, Twitter, to go the way of 6 Degrees, Friendster and MySpace, only this time the bagholders will be the public. Because "it is never different this time." The only certain thing: someone will promptly step in to replace any social network that quietly fades into the sunset.

Inside China's phoney 'click farm': Tiny office uses 10,000 handsets to send fake ratings and 'likes' for boosting clients' online popularity.

Hawaii's Civil Missile Alert System Activated

newtboy says...

So, the comedy of errors grows.
The story had been that this was a mistake by a single technician that required the governor to sign into Facebook to correct, and he didn't know his password. What ridiculous emergency system is ported through Facebook? WTF?!?
Today, the new story is a night supervisor decided to test the day crew, and sent a prepared missile warning test recording to them that included the words "this is not a test", which, naturally, the tech took as a real warning. Once the mistake was realized, they also realized no one had ever considered what to do if a false alert went out, and they had no plan at all, so they asked the governor to make a public announcement on Facebook.
What a terrible system. The designers and supervisors should all be fired for allowing such a system to exist.

enoch (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Didn't he say he got them from....was it Facebook? YouTube? He mentioned it was a primarily male membership website. Maybe it was written posts instead of videos...I'm no longer sure.
I don't have the inclination or time to watch it again, it was in the first third I think.

Edit: ahh, I misunderstood him, that was his audience, not his data....80% men on YouTube. His data was so far from my experience it was easy to believe it was culled from YouTube comments. I wonder where his data comes from, much of it seemed to be assumption and historical misconceptions.

enoch said:

where did he draw conclusions from online videos?
did i miss something?



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