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I don't really get this whole tazer deal.
2 older gentlemen on the heavy side guarding a door. Seriously you needed a taser? Seems to me these guys are just not fit for the position.

I work with a few security guards downtown that deal with all sorts of drug addicts, drunks, crazy people and outright idiots. They aren't issued anything.
I hear stories of them wrestling guys to the ground almost every week.

these 2 just wanted to test their new tazer and the situation was all the green lights they need.

justified? not even the slightest.

It takes real ballz to stick it to a down-and-out, emotionally disturbed, teenage drug addict, huh? Why is everyone on the Internet so pleased about this? Fuck this judge.

1) In a perfect world, there'd be no drug use...or pain from which to seek escape. But because this is a world with pain, a trade-off should be preferred where there is no solution (and never will be due to human nature).

2) If two (or three) million out of 142 million people are illegal drug addicts, it's a problem but hardly a crisis.

3) If heroin were cheap and legal, this "new" drug would hardly be bothered with, plus there would be access to clean needles.

I've been trying to convey this idea to people for years, and it took a recovered drug addict 30 seconds to state it more eloquently than i ever could.

I couldn't speak to the situation in other countries, although I am sure it is similar, but chronic homelessness in America is a symptom of two things, mainly, which is mental illness and alcohol and drug addiction. People end up homeless for all sorts of reasons but they stay that way, mainly, for those two reasons. Many of these people have had extremely messed up lives and had very terrible things happen to them. That we should help the poor is stressed many times in scripture and a society which ignores the poor is a cruel and unjust one. They need help, and they need compassion. Giving them money won't necessarily help them (most are begging to support an addiction); what they need is a support network. They also need hope.

Yes, thank you, you put it so much simpler than I do!
In reply to this comment by Thumper:
Your views are inconsistent because you're suggesting her obesity is somehow impactful on others. If it's not that then your suggesting you're concerned for her health. If you're so concerned for her health (or others) then what about her mental health (or ours)? Arguably the most important form of health. You already admitted there is no polite way to tell a stranger that is probably already aware, that their weight is a health concern. I don't see how promoting forwardness with disregard to one's reaction/ feelings is any bit healthier. Not to mention the whole bully awareness month - which this is just a guess, but, doesn't that specifically entail "we" as a society passing stronger consideration for others feelings?

This is where we need to draw the line on the whole obesity/ drug addict comparison. There is NO NEED to throw tough love at an overweight person. Even if you succeed in pushing them to lose weight - you're changing the very foundation of personal relationships. Where does the bully draw the line at school? "Stop being so dorky?". Oh and I'm not a fan of letting our children carry such moral burdens. Their parents should lead by example. Lets not build a world where people push one another into choices even if they are good for them. Let's let freewill be freewill. If you really want to make a difference - befriend them, get close to them, within the "YOU can say that to me" walls. Actually give a shit about the person and not the idea of people. Stop treating that woman like an negative average in a large container and more like a PERSON.

Problem solved. Become their friend - follow time-tested relationship rules and then, and only then, can you relay such private and impactful information to them.

>> ^scannex:

I am not sure how my argument is nihilistic at all.
I am not sure what mold you think I am promoting, aside from not being in a state which has been, by all available science, deemed to be u healthy. (read: not obese)
I am happy to address where you think my view is inconsistent, can you please elaborate?
Re feeling: I think that is fair, to a point. But to me, the spectacle this woman made of herself for someone writing her a private communique over the internet does not warrant ANYWHERE near this attention.
She chose to shine a spotlight on something perfectly hidden, for the purpose of, I don't know... you tell me? To stop imaginary bullying (in her case explicitly here)? To not feel bad about being overweight? I really don't know anymore. Its a bizarre reaction to wantonly make a spectacle of someone suggesting you lose weight.
You pretend to care for the health of others yet there is a perverse nihilistic undertone to your entire argument. The only thing in this for you is to point out that "people" should fit a mold that you and your constituents have deemed appropriate. Which furthers strengthens the overall bizarre and inconsistent view you're slinging. Shouldn't your dismissal of common morals/ sensibilities completely free you up from trying to impress or coincide with a particular group? The thing that bugs me the most is that you seem to completely ignore this person's feelings. It's as if, for the purposes of your argument having a body you have obfuscated her feelings or anyone else's for that matter.

Your views are inconsistent because you're suggesting her obesity is somehow impactful on others. If it's not that then your suggesting you're concerned for her health. If you're so concerned for her health (or others) then what about her mental health (or ours)? Arguably the most important form of health. You already admitted there is no polite way to tell a stranger that is probably already aware, that their weight is a health concern. I don't see how promoting forwardness with disregard to one's reaction/ feelings is any bit healthier. Not to mention the whole bully awareness month - which this is just a guess, but, doesn't that specifically entail "we" as a society passing stronger consideration for others feelings?

This is where we need to draw the line on the whole obesity/ drug addict comparison. There is NO NEED to throw tough love at an overweight person. Even if you succeed in pushing them to lose weight - you're changing the very foundation of personal relationships. Where does the bully draw the line at school? "Stop being so dorky?". Oh and I'm not a fan of letting our children carry such moral burdens. Their parents should lead by example. Lets not build a world where people push one another into choices even if they are good for them. Let's let freewill be freewill. If you really want to make a difference - befriend them, get close to them, within the "YOU can say that to me" walls. Actually give a shit about the person and not the idea of people. Stop treating that woman like an negative average in a large container and more like a PERSON.

Problem solved. Become their friend - follow time-tested relationship rules and then, and only then, can you relay such private and impactful information to them.

>> ^scannex:

I am not sure how my argument is nihilistic at all.
I am not sure what mold you think I am promoting, aside from not being in a state which has been, by all available science, deemed to be u healthy. (read: not obese)
I am happy to address where you think my view is inconsistent, can you please elaborate?
Re feeling: I think that is fair, to a point. But to me, the spectacle this woman made of herself for someone writing her a private communique over the internet does not warrant ANYWHERE near this attention.
She chose to shine a spotlight on something perfectly hidden, for the purpose of, I don't know... you tell me? To stop imaginary bullying (in her case explicitly here)? To not feel bad about being overweight? I really don't know anymore. Its a bizarre reaction to wantonly make a spectacle of someone suggesting you lose weight.
You pretend to care for the health of others yet there is a perverse nihilistic undertone to your entire argument. The only thing in this for you is to point out that "people" should fit a mold that you and your constituents have deemed appropriate. Which furthers strengthens the overall bizarre and inconsistent view you're slinging. Shouldn't your dismissal of common morals/ sensibilities completely free you up from trying to impress or coincide with a particular group? The thing that bugs me the most is that you seem to completely ignore this person's feelings. It's as if, for the purposes of your argument having a body you have obfuscated her feelings or anyone else's for that matter.

My outrage is more about what I'm reading on this site. Usually I love the debates I read on this forum. Even if I don't agree I often find them to be informative perhaps even enlightening. Yet the majority of posts on this video appear to be in defense towards the writer. I don't believe the majority of the people posting on this particular video. I really do not believe for a moment that people are actually concerned with this gal's weight. I think they're using it to justify their right to form opinions. I firmly support such a right but in this case I find the general view to be ridiculous. It's not even close for me. I really cannot understand why a person would feel okay with sending that email. I never see or hear such behavior in my life without someone having just lost it and do not give a fuck about the consequences. It's bizarre. However I understand that it is an email and the internet allows such actions without repercussions. So the video doesn't bother me. It's reading half the posts on this particular video from peoples that I generally agree with if not I can understand the difference of opinion. This time I really can't. Where are these people who walk around thinking "look how unhealthy that person is"? "They shouldn't be allowed to be viewed by my children". Which BTW, is weird as if she conducts some health program for the local schools. His email is completely irrelevant. I also do not share the comparison you make with drug addiction. It's not even close. That woman appears to be over weight but she does not appear to be someone who I would worry their life span is significantly reduced as a result. She has a nice job and it appears that her life is together so why would anyone stick their nose in her business. Also - she's probably educated and can carry a decent conversation. Why is everyone assuming she's a retard who cannot makes decisions for herself? Drug addiction and obesity are completely different things. First of all Genetics play a huge part in obesity. Sure you might be genetically dis-positioned for addiction but one can simply avoid drugs entirely. You cannot avoid food entirely. Drug addicts are prone to crime, poor decisions, and could represent a threat to your life. In what situation does someone who's heavy represent any of these things? They don't. So you have no business enforcing your genetic standard upon them. >> ^scannex:

Yes I do think thats possible.
Just as I might try and get a drug addict clean, or a pregnant lady to stop smoking without publicly ousting her.
Sometimes the right thing isn't the nice thing.
His actions may be unnecessary, but they were not a troll and they really do not appear overly mean spirited (he could have been WAY more acerbic in his word choice).
I completely disagree that this is bullying or internet bullying. Bullying implies repeat behaviors like this definition. Your outrage in my opinion is out of scope with what actually happened.
He could have sent this letter via the USPS to the exact same effect.

Yes I do think thats possible.
Just as I might try and get a drug addict clean, or a pregnant lady to stop smoking without publicly ousting her.
Sometimes the right thing isn't the nice thing.
His actions may be unnecessary, but they were not a troll and they really do not appear overly mean spirited (he could have been WAY more acerbic in his word choice).

I completely disagree that this is bullying or internet bullying. Bullying implies repeat behaviors like this definition. Your outrage in my opinion is out of scope with what actually happened.

He could have sent this letter via the USPS to the exact same effect.