I have a feeling that the part of the car in most need of cleaning will end up being the drivers seat

Unless you are in the drivers seat of a motor vehicle, asking for ID without charging you for something is just an intimidation technique, and really isn't related to this discussion. If you have been pulled over, or if you have been caught doing something illegal, show ID. Anything else is a topic for another discussion.

And you are absolutely right about keeping silent *IF* you are accused of doing something bad enough to be taken to jail, say "I want a lawyer" until you get one, and nothing else.

But if we are talking about petty offenses, like jaywalking or something else that would just get you a citation, be polite, show ID, obey instructions. You are far more likely to get a warning that way, but even if you do get a citation at least you won't get taken to jail.

This is a great video series that talks about the kind of common sense I'm referring to: http://www.youtube.com/user/FlexYourRights


>> ^longde:

So what happens when the officer declines to tell you what you are being charged with? Do you refuse to give identification?
Also, you should always take advantage of your right to be silent.

More like, don't get *out* of the drivers seat if you're high...

There's no reason that country should have to outsource the oil production to anybody in the first place.


Nope, none at all. I'm sure the remaining employees of Iraq's national oil company could handle everything all by themselves. I'm equally sure that all ties between them and Baath party are long gone and wouldn't cause the Iraqi government any problems. Of course, I don't believe there was anything stopping them from bidding alongside other global companies, was there...



Bet money that option was imposed on them by the US.


Oh, right. Because part of America's evil plan to steal Iraq's oil included guaranteeing over 90% of the profits went to the Iraqi government. Oh, and that the first contracts would go to China, America's closest ally...


And the Kurds? As soon as the fat cats get what they want out of the Kurds, they'll be brushed aside and forgotten all over again.


I think the Kurds are smarter and tougher than you give them credit for. Despite what you might like to think, the world consists of more people than just oil execs and their victims.

The Kurds managed to survive everything Saddam did do them. They've come out with the most stable region in the country and the only productive oil fields. Given they they hold all the power over those oil fields, I think they are in the drivers seat for anybody wanting oil out of those fields, and there will always be somebody interested in buying from a stable oil supply.

Shouldn't you be kicking a Palestinian child and stealing his father's land?

Yes, because it's all the Jew's fault again, isn't it?

>> ^NetRunner:
^ I would hope most of us are still edjumicated enough to know a Bible reference when we hear it.
If not, the Google gods will provide the bounteous knowledge we seek.


Just keep telling your strange gods.

Epicenters! I doubt he knows what that word means.

If only we would have had Kucinich in the driver seat....

There is no "driver behind the eyes", so to speak, but I know what you're getting at. Purely theoretically, molecules could form that made up the exact same "self" as the one I have now. But I don't see the difference between reincarnation and this? I don't think this could ever happen. The complexity involved is so enormous the the statistical chance of it being able to happen (again) is close to nothing.

>> ^ShakaUVM:
@Gwiz:
Aaah, I'm not going to flat out agree or disagree with that. "Life after death" implies that the life is sort of like the one we have now, or that "something carries over" to the second life. This I reject wholeheartedly, and the evidence does in no way support that idea.
Right. Which is why at no time did I claim that a reincarnated individual, for example, would have any memory of his past life.
The claim is about the you (the "you" sitting behind the drivers seat of your body, and not me) that could occur again after death. While it sounds wildly implausible, the fact that it has happened already is our only solid point of evidence, so it would be rather irrational for us to arrogantly claim it could never happen again.
Of course, in a "resurrection of the body" type environment, such things would be possible.

@Gwiz:
Aaah, I'm not going to flat out agree or disagree with that. "Life after death" implies that the life is sort of like the one we have now, or that "something carries over" to the second life. This I reject wholeheartedly, and the evidence does in no way support that idea.

Right. Which is why at no time did I claim that a reincarnated individual, for example, would have any memory of his past life.

The claim is about the you (the "you" sitting behind the drivers seat of your body, and not me) that could occur again after death. While it sounds wildly implausible, the fact that it has happened already is our only solid point of evidence, so it would be rather irrational for us to arrogantly claim it could never happen again.

Of course, in a "resurrection of the body" type environment, such things would be possible.

I don't know how none of these "victims" they scare don't end up seriously hurting somebody. They make them think they are going to die. Fight or flight, ya know? She could have just as easily hopped into he driver seat and ran those guys over.

"Sean Penn blatantly states that Bush and Cheney should be in Jail." Spicoli has spoken!!
They should all be in jail, if you'd bother to study the track record of the latest speaker of the house of cards, her pals, backers, Clitless', Feinstein, Boxer...these are the cunts that that have taught the newspeak to ya....and their wealthy, agenda-oriented pals have another twist on fucking us, theirs won't be the MIC, a trainwreck waiting to happen, and most folks are soooooo happy!

Trade bush for cunts, and you still have the STD's and HIV....they are all coming in from behind!

Has not the obvious been made clear to most??/ Race Baiting works for wars like it works for elections....the Muslims may or may not be to blame, but they are goddamn sure as hell being used.......poor bastards...they were made an offer they could not refuse......who made the offer is the enemy, and we aid and abet with asshole, bandwagon, clever retortionist sluts like maher, like Penn(hurts just to say his fucking moron name) and all the vapid hybrid-auto driving, personal-trainer having, vapid and mind-numbed media whores......

Get off the fucking planet, empire!


if the world worked sensibly, sean penn would be a drunk out of work hack, U2 would stick to teen croonin', dictators and fascists would be eradicated before they ever had power or influence, kim ill would be dragged into the streets and eviscerated in the public square by n.koreans with a will that had not been tainted, programmed, the so-called thinking people of the world would not make half-assed justifications like "no WMD's" as an excuse not to send a fuck like Hussein up in a retrofitted weather balloon, there would be no personal agenda involved with regard to political parties, who put the good of themselves and their cronies above that of the people, repubs and dems all the same in their insanity......and the people of the U.S. would not be in the precariously insane position of even thinking of putting a style-slut, money-wasting, empire building, out of touch cunt like Hildegard Clitless in the drivers seat, are you completely without conscience???
It's like fucking Lot when he was sure there would be at least one person who had not sunk to the basest of human mentality, in Sodom.....
And the folks who will usher in the New Order of Socialism in the U.S., will do the same thing as they have always been forced to do...vote for the lesser of evils for president, there being only assholes, idgits, and dangerous slags on the current ballot, and more to come ,no doubt, as we race toward oblivion......

then you get kids who think they do the world a service, by parroting mainstream media........This country is so whacked!!

what we're given in the video is taken out of context, and we don't really know whether he was in the drivers seat or not. regardless, it's amusing to watch because of the polar opposites of the demeanor of both people.

this whole bringing a new subject into a thread has to stop. until QM commented, there was NO indication of race as an arguement. this is the second time this has happened, at least, that i've noticed. i think the rules for racial prejudice in posting videos should apply to comments as well. it's getting old real fast.