>> ^zor:

This video is from Waimea, Hawaii. At first I thought it was kind of strange that they knew to take advantage of this difference in fresh and ocean water levels. I found the area on the map and it looks like this river "delta" fills up with water because a dam of sand is formed from the big waves against a steep landscape. It is really an awesome situation!


Is he speaking Portuguese @4:45? Could be a bunch of Brazilians f*cking with Hawaiian ecology lol

>> ^zor:
I found the area on the map and it looks like this river "delta" fills up with water because a dam of sand is formed from the big waves against a steep landscape. It is really an awesome situation!


Wow, fuck yeah! \m/

This video is from Waimea, Hawaii. At first I thought it was kind of strange that they knew to take advantage of this difference in fresh and ocean water levels. I found the area on the map and it looks like this river "delta" fills up with water because a dam of sand is formed from the big waves against a steep landscape. It is really an awesome situation!

The point about global warming is that all the available evidence shows that:
1. It is happening
2. It is man-made.

Why is that a problem? well, because we dont know what the consequences could be, we dont know how to stop the rising temperature or if theres a limit or if or when we can reverse the trend.

All of the above could happen, or it might not, some of it may not be due to GW and some of it may be. The fact is that we are messing with earths ecosystem, which is the very reason we are here in the first place. We grew up and evolved as a species on this planet, under these conditions, how will a rapid(geologically rapid 100-200 years) change in climate affect us as a species? how will it affect millions of other species? How will it affect weather? viruses? diseases? deserts? forests?

We don't know

Thats the point. some of the above are possible consequences of global warming*.

*or some denialist pulled it out of their ass and put it on the web so that other denialists could impress us all with their extensive lists.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Enviro-statist alarmists claim that all of the following have been (or will be) caused by global warming.

Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian, British gardens change, bubonic plague, budget increases, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north.
Cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and opportunities, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cold spells, cost of trillions, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia), damages equivalent to $200 billion, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt.
Early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El NiZo intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California.
Famine, farmers go under, figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, high court debates, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths.
Ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure (Canada), Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers’ income increased (surprise, surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease.
Malaria, malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mudslides, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise.
Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised, rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease.
Salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sex change, sharks booming, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed.
Taxes, tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions.
Walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English, wine -German boon, wine - no more French , winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

Enviro-statist alarmists claim that all of the following have been (or will be) caused by global warming.


Agricultural land increase, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), ancient forests dramatically changed, Antarctic grass flourishes, anxiety, algal blooms, Arctic bogs melt, Asthma, atmospheric defiance, atmospheric circulation modified, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, bananas destroyed, bananas grow, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, birds return early, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, boredom, Britain Siberian, British gardens change, bubonic plague, budget increases, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north.

Cardiac arrest, caterpillar biomass shift, challenges and opportunities, Cholera, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cod go south, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), computer models, conferences, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cold spells, cost of trillions, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, cyclones (Australia), damages equivalent to $200 billion, Dengue hemorrhagic fever, dermatitis, desert advance, desert life threatened, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, diarrhoea, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, drowning people, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt.

Early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spinning out of control, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El NiZo intensification, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, bats, pandas, pikas, polar bears, pigmy possums, gorillas, koalas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, turtles, orang-utan, elephants, tigers, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, less, not polar bears), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California.

Famine, farmers go under, figurehead sacked, fish catches drop, fish catches rise, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, floods, Florida economic decline, food poisoning, food prices rise, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frosts, fungi invasion, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, hazardous waste sites breached, heat waves, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, high court debates, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, hurricanes, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths.

Ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, inclement weather, infrastructure failure (Canada), Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, industry threatened, infectious diseases, insurance premium rises, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, Kew Gardens taxed, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers’ income increased (surprise, surprise!), lightning related insurance claims, little response in the atmosphere, Lyme disease.

Malaria, malnutrition, Maple syrup shortage, marine diseases, marine food chain decimated, marine dead zone, Meaching (end of the world), megacryometeors, Melanoma, methane emissions from plants, methane burps, melting permafrost, Middle Kingdom convulses, migration, migration difficult (birds), microbes to decompose soil carbon more rapidly, more bad air days, more research needed, mountain (Everest) shrinking, mountains break up, mountains taller, mudslides, next ice age, Nile delta damaged, no effect in India, nuclear plants bloom, oaks move north, ocean acidification, outdoor hockey threatened, oyster diseases, ozone loss, ozone repair slowed, ozone rise.

Pacific dead zone, personal carbon rationing, pest outbreaks, pests increase, phenology shifts, plankton blooms, plankton destabilised, plankton loss, plant viruses, plants march north, polar bears aggressive, polar bears cannibalistic, polar bears drowning, polar bears starve, polar tours scrapped, psychosocial disturbances, railroad tracks deformed, rainfall increase, rainfall reduction, refugees, reindeer larger, release of ancient frozen viruses, resorts disappear, rice yields crash, rift on Capitol Hill, rioting and nuclear war, rivers raised, rivers dry up, rockfalls, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, Ross river disease.

Salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sex change, sharks booming, shrinking ponds, ski resorts threatened, slow death, smog, snowfall increase, snowfall reduction, societal collapse, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, spiders invade Scotland, squid population explosion, squirrels reproduce earlier, spectacular orchids, stormwater drains stressed.

Taxes, tectonic plate movement, terrorism, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tourism increase, trade winds weakened, tree beetle attacks, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, trees could return to Antarctic, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, tsunamis, turtles lay earlier, UK Katrina, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions.

Walrus pups orphaned, war, wars over water, water bills double, water supply unreliability, water scarcity (20% of increase), water stress, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weeds, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whales move north, wheat yields crushed in Australia, white Christmas dream ends, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, wine - harm to Australian industry, wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine - more English, wine -German boon, wine - no more French , winters in Britain colder, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, workers laid off, World bankruptcy, World in crisis, Yellow fever.

Thanks for the sift. I always wondered if we had a trojan asteroid. I wonder if it would be easier to visit this than others--probably not because of the delta V needed.

[edit] Nope. It moves too far out of the ecliptic.

>> ^brycewi19:

First of all, he's a Marine, not a soldier. Soldiers are in the Army.
Secondly, I am going to assume he has honor until he proves me otherwise. As someone who has served our country he has earned that right.
Perhaps that is the difference between you and me - I assume that someone is good until they are proved to be bad. And perhaps you perceive people to be bad until they can prove to you that they are good.
Working with the Marine Corp this past year I can see that the majority of them are very honorable and have earned my respect to assume they are honorable when I first meet them.
>> ^conan:
>> ^brycewi19:
>> ^Esoog:
Not saying I agree with Delta...I actually feel its a shitty policy, and almost all airline baggage policies are pretty shitty...but here is the info straight from Delta's FAQ:
Will the first or second bag policy apply to active U.S. Military personnel checking bags?
No. U.S. Military personnel on active duty with travel orders may check in 3 bags in Economy Class and up to 4 checked bags in First/Business on Delta aircraft or Delta Connection® carriers, at no additional charge. Each bag has a maximum weight of 70 lbs (32 kg) and size of 80 linear inches (203 cm).

What they say on their FAQ might not be consistent with what's written in the contract with the U.S. Military.
Whatever is in the contract must be obliged.
That, and have some friggin' honor, Delta. Is a couple thousand dollars worth screwing over honorable men and bad publicity?

what makes you think that guy's a honorable man? just because he's a soldier? i think assuming someone is more noble or similar just because they are member of armed forces is somewhat shortsighted. what about all those lunatics in uniform that massacre civilians?



I think of it as you do, i.e. honorable until proven otherwise. Generally. The difference is in detail: I have a strong scepticism towards everyone in armed forces. Probably because i'm a deeply conviced pacifist. But more importantly: My comment was just to point out the to me strange fact that most folk automatically assume noblest characteristics when talking about soldiers, even without knowing them. I didn't want to offend anyone, usually i try to keep my reservations towards military personel / police officers to myself. Not always successul in doing so it seems :-)

First of all, he's a Marine, not a soldier. Soldiers are in the Army.
Secondly, I am going to assume he has honor until he proves me otherwise. As someone who has served our country he has earned that right.
Perhaps that is the difference between you and me - I assume that someone is good until they are proved to be bad. And perhaps you perceive people to be bad until they can prove to you that they are good.

Working with the Marine Corp this past year I can see that the majority of them are very honorable and have earned my respect to assume they are honorable when I first meet them.

>> ^conan:

>> ^brycewi19:
>> ^Esoog:
Not saying I agree with Delta...I actually feel its a shitty policy, and almost all airline baggage policies are pretty shitty...but here is the info straight from Delta's FAQ:
Will the first or second bag policy apply to active U.S. Military personnel checking bags?
No. U.S. Military personnel on active duty with travel orders may check in 3 bags in Economy Class and up to 4 checked bags in First/Business on Delta aircraft or Delta Connection® carriers, at no additional charge. Each bag has a maximum weight of 70 lbs (32 kg) and size of 80 linear inches (203 cm).

What they say on their FAQ might not be consistent with what's written in the contract with the U.S. Military.
Whatever is in the contract must be obliged.
That, and have some friggin' honor, Delta. Is a couple thousand dollars worth screwing over honorable men and bad publicity?

what makes you think that guy's a honorable man? just because he's a soldier? i think assuming someone is more noble or similar just because they are member of armed forces is somewhat shortsighted. what about all those lunatics in uniform that massacre civilians?

>> ^Maze:

Keep in mind that these guys and girls don't have a choice in the amount of luggage they travel with. The government requires them to travel with a specific kit. They don't really have the option of "packing light".
Believe me, if I could just pack a change of clothes and a toothbrush for a deployment, I would.
Also, in reference to your second paragraph, it would be uncouth for me to tell you to "eat a dick", so I'll refrain.


I'm not blaming anything on the soldiers; I'm saying the government and Delta need to figure out what their contract is. If it's not sufficient, the government needs to fix it.

No need to be hostile towards me... I'm not sure how you interpreted what I said as a slight against soldiers.

Keep in mind that these guys and girls don't have a choice in the amount of luggage they travel with. The government requires them to travel with a specific kit. They don't really have the option of "packing light".

Believe me, if I could just pack a change of clothes and a toothbrush for a deployment, I would.

Also, in reference to your second paragraph, it would be uncouth for me to tell you to "eat a dick", so I'll refrain.
>> ^Xax:

I've found the Internet's outrage at Delta pretty damn perplexing. If Delta got their policy wrong, shame on those who made this call. If the U.S. military and/or soldiers are mistaken about the agreement with Delta, sorry, but that's not Delta's fault.
Would it have been nice if Delta waived the fee for the 4th/5th/10th bag? Sure. Would it be nice if they offer all soldiers/vets/crippled old ladies a lollypop? Yep. Would it be nice if airplanes were fueled by farts and monkey snot? You betcha.

^ It's done by contract. If Delta was wrong, the soldiers will be reimbursed.

In that situation it's much easier to just pay the fee and deal with it later than risk missing the flight trying to fix it immediately.

I'd be pissed if I thought Delta was charging me more than the contracted amount, but I disagree with painting the entire airline as anti-soldier based on one situation before they've even contacted the airline management about it.

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>> ^quantumushroom:

This is a non-issue. There is no malice here, only confusion on the airline's part on how soldiers' baggage is handled. I'm sure they'll be reimbursed.


I bet you're wrong.

Strangely, I was relieved to discover that the title of this video was sarcastic. I actually would have been much more disappointed to read that Delta bent their rules or made special accommodations to soldiers based on a bald-faced publicity ploy draped in the flag of patriotism. I suppose my cynicism has been vindicated -- that the greed that fuels the late-capitalist model in these United States is still alive and well -- thanks to these soldiers who selflessly risk life and limb in order to ensure oil for jetfuel freedom has been preserved.

I've found the Internet's outrage at Delta pretty damn perplexing. If Delta got their policy wrong, shame on those who made this call. If the U.S. military and/or soldiers are mistaken about the agreement with Delta, sorry, but that's not Delta's fault.

Would it have been nice if Delta waived the fee for the 4th/5th/10th bag? Sure. Would it be nice if they offer all soldiers/vets/crippled old ladies a lollypop? Yep. Would it be nice if airplanes were fueled by farts and monkey snot? You betcha.