>> ^nanrod:

I know this is all bullshit because T. Boone Pickens was on the Daily Show and he assured me that no water well has ever been contaminated by fracking. He wouldn't lie would he?


And neither would Lee Fuller, executive director of Energy in Depth, who has told the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences that a litany of errors in the anti-drilling film should render it ineligible for the Oscar for best documentary feature.
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/02/01/01greenwire-ioil-and-gas-group-urges-oscar-judges-to-steer-99256.html

Besides, it is good that North Americans are once again getting a small taste of what many petro-states have have to endure over the decades to fuel a lifestyle of excess.

I know this is all bullshit because T. Boone Pickens was on the Daily Show and he assured me that no water well has ever been contaminated by fracking. He wouldn't lie would he?

T.Boone Pickens thinks fracking is ok

I ain't buyin' it T. Boone.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

Wait, aren't there like 37 other ways to produce natural gas without fracking?
i.e. cow farts


Frraaackin' sonofabitch

/col_tigh

I want to hear them all!
Art Linklatter
Mitzi Gaynor
Boris Karloff, especially!
? James
Fred MacMurray
Janet Morgan (I don't know who she is)
Craig ?
Johnny
Tony Bennett
Howard Duff
Connie Francis
Pat Boone

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Gallowflak:
Puerile, nonsensical and as absurd as I've ever seen. To dismiss anti-Scientology sentiment as inhabiting the same intellectual ground as 9/11 conspiracies is fucking inane. To deride GenjiKilpatrick as being ineffectual in the world and contributing nothing, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever - and simply because you disagree with his opposition to the CoS - is despicable. I don't understand what's wrong with you. Can nobody debate or discuss ideas anymore, without restorting to flailing and frothing like a toddler?
As an anecdote, my wife participated in a Scientology protest a few years ago. For two weeks straight she was stalked home by a Scientology goon who had memorized her schedule and route from work. It happens to more people than I can count. I don't think Scientology could ever be legitimately described as a non-issue.

You call what I did there flailing and frothing like a toddler? Really am I completely off the deep end saying that this internet argument won't amount to anything? That defeating CoS which you won't succeed in doing will be a boon to everyones existence? I'm not out of line here, this isn't an argument, it's me saying people who believe that CoS is a terrible scourge and deserves everyones attention and must be stopped is wrong. You're wrong if you think that we have to worry about CoS over almost ANY major issue in this country. People are actually dying for things we can fix easily and CoS isn't what's killing them. Grow up.
EDIT: Also if that's true about your wife...why didn't you call the cops? That's something you can do easily, but your story probably isn't true anyways you're just engaging in the same nasty tactics as you accuse CoS of doing...just making shit up...to be right in an argument on the internet. That's just sad.


I call what you did there "flailing and frothing like a toddler" as an expression of some misplaced hyperbole. The rest of your response contains things I've already responded to.

Large issues do not require that small issues be excluded from consideration. That's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to compare the relative ferocity of problems when they're not related to one another. You can apply the same approach to medicine for a taste of how absurd it is; abandoning Parkinson's research in favour of a treatment for cancer, for example. Well, that's not how it works.

And no, Yogi, this "internet argument" won't amount to anything that's going to end up in the historical record. But I disagree with you. That is important enough to me to warrant an opposition to what you said.

I'm really not sure what you're arguing, though. It seems to be that your position is as I outlined in the second paragraph here, and that Scientology isn't a problem worth investing one's time in. I understand that there are issues in the world that have obscured others in your kaleidoscope of subjectivity, but those that don't concern you aren't unworthy of concern. You come across as a little bit solipsistic, and it makes me uncomfortable.

And don't call me a liar. There's no faster way to disintegrate your own legitimacy in a discussion, and it's a tactic used by those who feel like they're backed up into a corner. Tastes like ad hominem.

>> ^Gallowflak:

Puerile, nonsensical and as absurd as I've ever seen. To dismiss anti-Scientology sentiment as inhabiting the same intellectual ground as 9/11 conspiracies is fucking inane. To deride GenjiKilpatrick as being ineffectual in the world and contributing nothing, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever - and simply because you disagree with his opposition to the CoS - is despicable. I don't understand what's wrong with you. Can nobody debate or discuss ideas anymore, without restorting to flailing and frothing like a toddler?
As an anecdote, my wife participated in a Scientology protest a few years ago. For two weeks straight she was stalked home by a Scientology goon who had memorized her schedule and route from work. It happens to more people than I can count. I don't think Scientology could ever be legitimately described as a non-issue.


You call what I did there flailing and frothing like a toddler? Really am I completely off the deep end saying that this internet argument won't amount to anything? That defeating CoS which you won't succeed in doing will be a boon to everyones existence? I'm not out of line here, this isn't an argument, it's me saying people who believe that CoS is a terrible scourge and deserves everyones attention and must be stopped is wrong. You're wrong if you think that we have to worry about CoS over almost ANY major issue in this country. People are actually dying for things we can fix easily and CoS isn't what's killing them. Grow up.

EDIT: Also if that's true about your wife...why didn't you call the cops? That's something you can do easily, but your story probably isn't true anyways you're just engaging in the same nasty tactics as you accuse CoS of doing...just making shit up...to be right in an argument on the internet. That's just sad.

The recent boon to the economy in a predominantly Muslim region of the planet has produced of late, an incredible rise in the amount of bling produced, esp. in Dubai.
List of the wealthiest, "who the fuck wants to go there" , predominantly Muslim countries, by GDP as of 2009.

Indonesia-$968.5bil -Treat their women like shit???...YES!
Turkey-$859.8bil.-Treat their women like shit???...YES!
Islamic Rep of Iran-$876bil.-Treat their women like shit???...YES!
Saudi Arabia-$581.3bil.-Treat their women like shit???...YES!
UAE-Dubai-$121,400(GDB per capita)-Treat their women like shit???...YES!

Real progressive for wealthy folk, eh? I could give a fuck about their throwback religious practices, save for the fact that the same affords little or no rights to the genetically superior of the species.

This criteria is simplistic, telling, valid.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

That's very much appreciated. Thanks again.

In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
No thanks needed. A year and some ago, when things got rough and you had to go around asking for donations, I told you that I would if I hadn't been laid off. The sift has been a great boon to my mood and stability over the last 16 months. Now I'm working again, and this was always on my short list of places to drop some funds.

You've made a good thing here, and don't think we don't know it. God knows, there's not enough good things in this world...we have to nurture the ones we've got.
In reply to this comment by dag:
Hi Stormsinger- thanks for the charter subscription and your support of VideoSift.

No thanks needed. A year and some ago, when things got rough and you had to go around asking for donations, I told you that I would if I hadn't been laid off. The sift has been a great boon to my mood and stability over the last 16 months. Now I'm working again, and this was always on my short list of places to drop some funds.

You've made a good thing here, and don't think we don't know it. God knows, there's not enough good things in this world...we have to nurture the ones we've got.
In reply to this comment by dag:
Hi Stormsinger- thanks for the charter subscription and your support of VideoSift.

We are reactive beings, languishing in self-centered accumulation. Blinded by envy, preyed upon by a societal structure that is profit, rather than welfare, driven.

The two primary locations that humans learn a desire to work to benefit others are home and church. The founding fathers knew this, which is why the Constitution is a moral document that humbly acknowledges that rights come from divinity and provided protections to stop men from infringing those rights. Hippies have/had little or no respect for church & family, and the intellectually pithless modern progressives mirror that disdain. Not very likely that hippies or progressives will create this 'welfare driven' society when they actively seek to subvert/destroy the two things most likely to teach people a desire to serve others.

"hippies" - (objective and free thought, care and consideration of others)

Bull feathers. I lived in the 60s and 70s and the hippie movement was nothing about free thought, care, or consideration. They used the labels you use, but when rubber meets road the hippies were all about selfishness, laziness, and the abrogation of personal responsibility for ones actions.

In particular - hippies were incredibly intolerant of anything that didn't goose-step to their point of view. You see this reflected in their miserable progressive scions today. Anything that challenges their perspective is met with hostlity, anger, resentment, and violence. So much for 'objective free thought, care, and consideration of others'. Such boons are only granted to those that bow and scrape before properly approved leftist dogma - like good little zombies. For example...

(note the above entry: "Global warmer, its natural, not man made". You sir, are excused from your idiocy, you are entitled to it, but your idiocy comes at an expense... And that expense, on a global scale, is our downfall...)

Always nice to see objective free thought in action, combined with care and consideration for others, isn't it?

>> ^joedirt:
what kind of loser makes comments trying to blame victims and be apologist when she seems reasonable and recounting events in a non-sensational way for the media.


You are wrong. She was not being "non-sensational." Hell, with the topics of her speech, there is no way she could be non-sensational (No offense to her or you. Rape and gangbang and police brutality is just that, a sensational recounting.)

She does use pre-thought language in a calm (Cold?) manner that would be a great boon for any lawyer, but that is calculated, not non-sensational. She is also very general and very broad (A mitigating fact if she is lying and it also leaves room to make shit up.) In fact, the one thing she states that specifically happened (The men strip searching the women,) was a stutter fest of epic-fail proportions.

You want a comment I find strangely amusing? When she says, "What I would find threatening..."

See, that statement is calculating to me because it makes you think... she was threatened by those threatening statements. Most people in her situation would say, "I was threatened *Insert threatening comments.*" Simple, angry, to the point and not predetermined. But her way makes you think and makes you repusled... I mean, these police obviously thought those statements were not threatening (It is what she is implying without saying such...)

Well, hopefully she is lying but if not, hopefully the police are punished severly. (I am hoping for the least of two evils...)

************************************************************************************Edit

What is a more probable accounting would be around this...

The police threatened that if she goes to prision or jail, she would be raped and gangbanged (by prisioners.) That may be an inappropriate comment, but it is not them actually threatening to rape and gangbang her. Those are two completely different beasts. Hell, Scared Staight, the show about teens, used those threats on kids all the time... It supposedly scared some away from crime... It is an observation, not a threat, because rape is rampant in Prision compared to the street.

Still, if it was unlikely she was going to go to prision, the cops were being hats...

Next, the he said/she said of the finger incident... SHE WAS NOT THERE AND IT WAS SECOND HAND GOSSIP BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT KNOW FOR SURE!!! How dare she assume it happened! All these people have a reason to hate the cops... She lost all credibility there...

Even if it happened, it was probably conducted by a medical person as a cavity search because of some comment the protester/friend of hers made. Cavity searches, when done properly, are not against the law in some areas... I think... But what I think is not the point. Point is, why should she put her story on someone else's word?

@everyoneinthisthread

It's Hawking. Not Hawkins, Hawkings, etc. lol.

@SDGundamX, you seem to have a skewed view of the situation. You say doctors used the scientific method to predict how long it would take for Hawking to succumb to his disease, and that their failure to be correct somehow means science failed and didn't work.

You've got it backwards. The scientific method explicitly claims the opposite...that out of all the predictions we make, only a few are ever close to the real truth. Science basks in wrongness all the time. Being wrong in science is a boon, because being proven wrong means you're just a little closer to the truth.

It's the people who make predictions or observations about the world and never admit they can be wrong who are a problem.

EDIT: I just have to add...you're totally simplifying the doctor prediction example. You weren't there when the doctors gave their information to Hawking. Maybe they said, "It is likely you'll die by XX age, but we don't know for sure." Doctors are constantly asked to give people certainties when there are none to be had. Yet, people use this as "evidence", saying that if science doesn't know everything then it isn't worth using. Just because a doctor can't tell you exactly when you're going to die doesn't mean science "doesn't work". This logic illustrates a misunderstanding of what scientific methods of experiment and thought claim to accomplish.

Check this out...
May 6, 2010

Yesterday, Columbia Police Chief Ken Burton and Mayor Bob McDavid convened a news conference...

Burton said yesterday that investigators should not have executed the warrant because the information was too old. The warrant ... was executed eight days after Boone County Associate Circuit Judge Leslie Schneider approved it. Burton said the state allows police 10 days to execute a signed warrant, and he thinks Columbia officers should have done so immediately...

“It’s my opinion that it needs to be served as soon as possible,” Burton said of the warrant. “The contraband can be disposed of. It they are going to do that, there is not much point in serving the warrant.”

“It was not a mistake to shoot the pit bull,” Burton said. “I wouldn’t be standing here if an officer had been bitten by a pit bull instead of the reverse happening.”

But, back when the incident initially happened...
February 23, 2010

Because the SWAT team acts on the most updated information available, the team wanted to enter the house before marijuana believed to be at the location could be distributed, [police spokeswoman Officer Jessie Haden] said.

“If you let too much time go by, then the drugs are not there,” she said.

If the SWAT team believed they could have executed the warrant successfully during the daytime when the wife and child were not present, they would have, she said.

And now the rest of the story...

Information provided by an informant led investigators to believe Whitworth was in possession of a large amount of marijuana and was considered a distributor. In 2003, Whitworth pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute cocaine and marijuana in federal court and was ordered to serve 15 months in federal prison, according to court documents.

Some friend of his probably got arrested and given a deal for being informant (even if the information was made up). The police assumed guilt based upon prior history.

On the dog issue, doesn't SWAT wear like bulletproof vest and heavy duty tactical outfits? Certainly the lead person could have some way of handling a dog and shoot it after it attacks someone. You are attacking someones private property so in my opinion the dog has more business being there. Also, I have a feeling the dog was in his crate, but not locked in. ie. the dog sleeps in his crate and was in his crate but came out and was barking at officers and they shot it. I doubt the shot a dog just to stop it from barking.

Now explain to me what kind of asshole shoots a corgi in the leg?? So maybe they were just looking for animals to execute.