Remember at the time everyone actually thought Iraq had WMDs, so what March came a rollin' everything got serious, curfews started, gas masks were issued for essential people and sirens were installed all over the city.

So yeah that play got cancelled.

In reply to this comment by Fletch:
How did the war prevent a play from being performed?

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
Reminds me when I acted in a Charles Dickens inspired play and then Gulf War 2 started and it was never performed.

The SS was highly negligent at best when it comes to Kennedy's trip to Dallas. This is only one of a number of significant breaks from protocol.

There would normally have been a "curfew" for the agents the night before the parade but that was lifted and several of them stayed out late.

The SS had the limo cleaned and the damage repaired first thing the next morning before a forensic investigator saw it.

Do these things prove a conspiracy? No, but they at least show a level of incompetence that would get you fired from McDonald's.

>> ^EndAll:
An anarchist school.. off the top of my head, I'd cite 'Summerhill'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhill_School ?

"It is still run as a democratic community; the running of the school is conducted in the school meetings, which anyone, staff or pupil, may attend, and at which everyone has an equal vote."

That's not anarchy - that's democracy. Also, if you look at the wiki page, there are plenty of authority in that school too, like tiered age grouping and curfew.

Yo, I'm smokin herbals till it hurts you
I keep your daughter way out past her curfew
Hard far from commercial
(So what cha mean nigga)
We don't give a fuck when we smoked out
In the land that's doped out [it's like that?] no doubt
From this bomb weed, I cock from the streets
Get you open like buttcheeks, from girls who be freaks
Aiyyo, can I be SWV?
You the One nigga
Rap Shogun, yes E the one
Yo, I'm rollin with a forty pack of niggaz
Get my weed from Branson cause his sack's bigger
Yo give me dap nigga
What I clap lyrically tap call back
Ferocious causin comatoses to collapse
So chinky eyed I see people wavin on a map
I make it hotter than your thermostats (beep beep beep beep)
Bomb MC's with rough megahertz so call me
Funk Doctor verbal starburst, lyrical expert
Your boombox better form a union
Cause I leave your circus overworked, word bond
Niggaz front like they want it
But I be in the five hundred with E steadily gettin blunted
Damn nigga you cool at what you spittin
So why you holdin the blunt so long politickin
Huh, I ace them blunts with the technician
of electrician, I don't got a pot to piss in
But still spend my last on hyrdroglycerin
I keep it live no jive rollin Dutches
that's Masters like the Furious Five
I, keep your crew chinky eyed, for bitches actin dog
(Can you hit it from the back?) Why not, while we toke on this

I smoked with a lot of college, students
Most of em, wasn't graduatin and they knew it
You know the weed slang? Yeah boy I speak it fluent
I light your college dorm with my entourage from Newark
Bigger they come, harder they fall
That goes for, knuckleheads, MC's, pussy walls and all
I lit my first L before I started to crawl
I got my ass whupped when I had my first brawl
But things changed since I was twelve years old
I specialize in wreckin mics and area codes
Now, PPP the kinda niggaz that'll bug witcha
Smoke bud witcha, later on stick a sluginya
Everything that's like green ain't the bomb bitch
I got different forms to make you lose your calm bitch
Read my lips, you ain't hittin unless you got
Ten on it, get on it, or get the fuck out my cypher

This video makes my blood boil for many reasons, including:

1. An inept correspondant, who was evidently unfamiliar with the proposed curfew.

2. A naive politician, who thinks that treating a city like children might solve problems.

3. A "professor". "Uh, professor... Is this constitutional?" "Probably not." Great answer, Mr. Certainty.

I can't imagine people voting to give themselves a curfew; but then I didn't imagine people voting for Bush against a war hero when his lies had been exposed and his glorious military record came to light.

Your video, Police State Watch: All Ages Curfew, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

Adult curfews ≠ martial law. But yes, I do totally agree with the fact that adult curfews are total and complete bullshit.

>> ^blankfist:
Your hyperbolic example of a person choosing between bankruptcy and "life and limb" confuses morality with fear.

As many as 22,000 people die each year because they don't have health insurance (PolitiFact
).

Medical bills are responsible for most bankruptcies in the US (American Journal of Medicine, via NYT).

I think it's safe to say that the people bankrupted by medical bills didn't do it with elective procedures. I don't know how many of those bankruptcies involved treatments that were life saving, but certainly you would concede that my overall description of our system was accurate: people sometimes have to choose between bankruptcy or death. I think that's a broken system.

Most of your anti-government rhetoric is based on the slippery slope fallacy. In this case, you're saying that if we give the government the power to, say, outlaw insurance companies from rejecting or rescinding coverage from people on the basis of their medical conditions, the next step is forced labor exercise camps, and curfews.

Which of us was using hyperbolic fear tactics again?

If all you've got is to feed me a line of bull about how healthcare reform will lead to totalitarian socialism, and that therefore medical bankruptcies are just the price of freedom...you aren't really adding anything to the debate.

However, if you have a cure for the problem that doesn't involve government, I'm all ears.

I'd argue phrasing it "serving the public good" is an euphemistic way of placing a noble label to presumed safety through political coercion. Rarely do I see human government's purpose being that of service, but rather that of control and authority. I suppose by your logic, the Patriot Act should be considered a service to the public good, as well, as it was intended to supply us all with presumed safety at the cost of our liberty.

I don't believe there's a higher moral purpose than allowing every individual his or her self-evident freedom to choose for themselves. Your hyperbolic example of a person choosing between bankruptcy and "life and limb" confuses morality with fear.

You can find plenty more examples where fear can be used to scare people into surrendering their personal liberties and those of their neighbors, but where will it stop? After we nationalize health care, what will be next that will require us to give up our essential liberties?

Should be ban sidewalks because they're too close to the roads? What about compulsory exercise regiments for anyone weighing over two hundred pounds? Most people have an irrational fear of crimes committed after dark, so maybe a mandatory curfew on every citizen once the sun goes down?

>> ^cracanata:
why is this still a topic?


Because prior to the Holocaust, the democratically elected Government of Germany took steps to wither away personal freedoms of its citizens. The Burning of the Reichstag (the place of assembly of German Parliament, which ran the country) allowed for that government to make the (many) small steps from democracy to tyranny and the surrender of citizens rights (curfews, etc.) -including the alienation of the Jewish religion and people, and the founding of concentration camps- all under the guise of "protection" of the nation and its citizens. This prelude set the stage for The Second World War to be possible; which included several years' occupation of countries including Poland, Belgium, and France.

Though certainly a different situation, the destruction of the World Trade Centre in New York (a place of assembly of American corporations, which have significant clout in running the Country's finances) allowed for the (many) small steps that withered personal freedoms (The Patriot Act, DMCA enforcement, etc.) -including the alienation of the Muslim religion and people, and the founding of national torture camps (Guantanamo)- all under the guise of "protection" of the nation and its citizens. This prelude set the stage for The Second Gulf War to be possible; which included several years' occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq.


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

>> ^joedirt:
>> ^Grimm:
I believe they said they were finding "safer shelters" for everyone that lived there so it's not like they just kicked them out to be assholes.

u are an idiot if you think that is what they said.

u are an idiot if you think that is NOT what they said. It's right at the 1:37 mark...doesn't matter if you believe them or not...that is what they said.

>> ^joedirt:
Most homeless do not like to live in those especially in the summer for a lot of reasons. First of all, you must carry ID, secondly, you have to obey all their rules and curfews, and no alcohol and no privacy and no pets and almost no belongings.

Yeah..being homeless sucks...and your point is what?


>> ^joedirt:
It's bullshit about safer shelter, it just means they are locking them out of thsi one, and they have to find somewhere else.


I must have missed the memo that the homeless get free range in our cities to convert what ever place they find into a home. If they don't want to use a public shelter that's their choice...but it also doesn't mean they get to camp whereever they want without getting hassled.

>> ^Grimm:
I believe they said they were finding "safer shelters" for everyone that lived there so it's not like they just kicked them out to be assholes.


u are an idiot if you think that is what they said.

They are welding up this cave, so that the homeless will be forced into the public shelters. Most homeless do not like to live in those especially in the summer for a lot of reasons. First of all, you must carry ID, secondly, you have to obey all their rules and curfews, and no alcohol and no privacy and no pets and almost no belongings.

It's bullshit about safer shelter, it just means they are locking them out of thsi one, and they have to find somewhere else.

>> ^Tymbrwulf:
From a medical standpoint I'd say that place was a festering cesspool of disease. Living under a high-way is not at all sanitary.


Parts of it probably were and that's probably why they shut it down - because the state could be sued if they knew it was there. BUT - what's going to happen is people are going to sleep outside (health hazard) and their clothing and bedding are going to be stolen frequently (health hazard), they're going to be attacked when they sleep (health hazard), or just the stress of not having a home in a filthy life is going to be a health hazard. So yeah - it's not healthy to live under a bridge.... but it's better than being on the street literally.

And as for other shelters - People choose to live in smelly areas like this over "shelters" for a reason - I've worked with homeless people and the reasons for not wanting shelters are usually one or many of the following - they're not safe (things stolen, or physical harm when you sleep in one common area and you can't kick people out), they kick YOU out when you try to defend yourself or someone gets you kicked out, they give you strict rules that just don't work (like religion, having weird curfews and inability to stay during the day, etc that drive you nuts or result in your stuff being stolen) that are impossible if you have some mental illness and very difficult in general, or the shelters dont't REALLY exist - you can stay for awhile and then they kick you out because they don't have the budget or the room - the state can say there's shelters but only kinda-sorta, or they block you from using drugs but don't provide a realistic way to quit the drugs which would involve *allot* of expensive therapy.

Also,
All that stuff they were putting in bags and throwing away were all those people's clothes, sleeping materials, probably ID, money, cellphones, SSI checks mixed in - that's a devastating loss. It's like someone clearing out your house then sealing it up.

Well, it's the Alley Cat puffin' on a hootie rat,
Some think I'm a criminal,
But, yo I ain't all of that,
Hit'cha with the baseball bat,
An' ya wanna ill though,
Wanna mess around ,
You get fucked on the hill bro,
Kick it like a steel toe, real slow,
Hits from the bong ,
Make me feel like Cheech,
And I'm kickin' it wit' Chong,
Just like Cheech & Chong frontin' with "Ice Cream",
Cypress Hill is here to give you a nice dream,
Speak it like a rolla', and you know it's rolled tightly,
I'm like the funky beat, so, why ya tryin' ta fight me,
Pigs often site me, that's not polite G,
And any hour of the day ya know I might be,
Harassed by a pig real fast,
They wanna Rodney King me,
Always tryin'a crown my ass,
Ain't got no class(Sen Dog: No Class)
I hit they' ass like the buddah thats stinkey,
They wanna' scruff but, they' just so rinky-dinky,
I'm the freaka, the one who freaks the funk,
Sen gotts the Philly, an' he's gonna light the blunt,
Sippin' curfew makes me go koo-koo,
somthin' like loco then turn in to this loocoo,
Binggin the beta,yea, now the funk is risen,
Got the beta bass and the nasal highzen,
As I kick atrip, it comin' straight from my siness,
Crazy nasal vocals, cannot make the hotties loco,
I rimemba sista Maggie, breast were kinda saggy,
Used to sell me buddah outta fucked up little baggies,
Honeyd up a twenty even when I had no money,
She said "Pay me back with some latin dick Sonnie"
Well I neva' went out, and I don' thnk I'm gonna,
Just for some buddah, she wanted me ta bone her,
Deminin', Ya think ya meanin',
I got somethin' for the hoes ta be skeamin' on,
I'm the Buddah-Real take a trip ta hoota'ville,
I'll throw ya out the door, of my big blue Siville,
Then light another joint,
This ain't no exploition (poin't),
Cause we are the ones stonein' in the ways of the mastas,
Stoned is the walk,
Stoned is the walk,
Stoned is the walk,
Stoned is the walk,
(Sen- Dog)
Hit they, hit they ass,
(B-Real)
make the buddah get stinkey
Wooooo, Woooo
(Alas, Cap'in there's a ship in sight,
Huhu, Blast 'em!)
Stonend is the walk,