Austrian conductor Herbert von Karajan is still considered to be one of the greatest conductors of the 20th century, and you can buy his MP3 of Symphony #9 at Amazon.com for $8.99. Or if you feel like splurging, you can buy all nine Beethoven symphonies (conducted by Karajan) for $22.97.

I don't recommend iTunes because of the goddamn DRM they still use. All of Amazon.com's MP3 dowloads are DRM-free.

One more thing: Karajan was a member of the Nazi party from 1933 to 1939. I don't know how important that is to you in regards to this purchase, but many Jewish musicians refused to play for him, so I think it's only fair that you know.

^Winstonfield_Pennypacker
^ ^joedirt
Faith and scientific method are opposed to one another.

That is your opinion. It is not based on facts or evidence, and is not much different than bible thumping. What evidence do you have that faith is 'opposed' to scientific method?

It's more like the scientific method is opposed to faith (in the bible literalist sense, not the spiritual sense). That's an a priori fact; nobody's opinion. Faith seems to try to ignore science.

Within the scientific method, everyone should be willing to believe that it's possible their own theory is false, and a rival theory is true. Rival theorists should be able to agree on exactly what tests it would take to make them change their mind. This is the heart of the process.

Any theory whose proponents refuse to accept that their position may be incorrect or refuse to propose a test that would convince them, is excluded from the scientific process.

For example, let's say I believe that graphite is an electrical insulator. You believe that graphite is an electrical conductor. I tell you you're a lunatic, but if you can run an electric circuit through a graphite pencil, I'm willing to change my mind. And lo, the light comes on, and I thank you for teaching me something new, and pay for the next round.

For a real example, let's say there's this guy named Einstein who is spouting some crap like gravity is actually space curved by mass, and that nothing is exempt from this curvature, not even light. We all know he's nuts, but we talk about it, and agree on a test: before, after and during the next solar eclipse, we'll take pictures of the stars where the sun is going to be during the eclipse. If Einstein's theory is right, those stars will appear to shift towards the sun during the eclipse because of the sun's mass bending the path of their light, and then appear to shift back out again afterwards. Lo, the stars do appear to shift, and General Relativity is confirmed!

Now, ask a bible literalist what evidence it would take to make him accept that the Earth is more than a few thousand years old, and no matter how scientifically educated he is, that answer will never come.

Note: None of this proves that anything in the bible is wrong, or that atheists are justified. It just demonstrates that faith (in the bible literalism sense) is not at all compatible with scientific method.

you should be proud of voting this country into slavery. it takes a special kind of person to give up their freedom, not through violence, but through voluntary cooperation.


I would have been able to free a thousand more slaves if I could only have convinced them that they were slaves.
-Harriet Tubman, Underground Railroad Conductor (1820-1913)

>> ^charliem:
= CERN invented the internet, they invented MRI, they invented the concentrated x-ray for blasting cancer sites, they invented super conductors, as Brian mentioned, they've also come up with a new method of cooling, they've even invented and built a brand new parallel internet with massive capacity and the ability to have distributed processing / applications running over it (google "The GRID - CERN"), they invented the integrated circuit, the transistor (and as a result, PLENTY of other complex digital structures)...


CERN:

1)invented the internet. False, invented at MIT. Though it is true, Tim Berners-Lee created the World Wide Web.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

2) they invented MRI. False, it was invented at Stony Brook.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging

3) they invented the concentrated x-ray for blasting cancer sites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_Hounsfield

4) they invented super conductors. False, discovered by Onnes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heike_Kamerlingh_Onnes

I don't have the time to debunk all of this. Most it is wrong, half truths, or misguided.
Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN is where you can see there accomplishments.

The line for scientific research should never be drawn, not ever.
Look what happened in the arab world when the ruling class at the time around 500 AD decided that questioning the unknown is encroaching on gods doorstep, essentially drawing a line in the sand and saying "no more research, what you don't know now, you never will, cause it doesn't suit our needs".

How many nobel laureates are from the mid-east ?

1...and he shares it with a british fellow.

Seriously, there should never be any kind of discussion where drawing a line in the sand is ever a consideration for research, ever.

CERN invented the internet, they invented MRI, they invented the concentrated x-ray for blasting cancer sites, they invented super conductors, as Brian mentioned, they've also come up with a new method of cooling, they've even invented and built a brand new parallel internet with massive capacity and the ability to have distributed processing / applications running over it (google "The GRID - CERN"), they invented the integrated circuit, the transistor (and as a result, PLENTY of other complex digital structures)...

ALL of those technologies came as a result of EXPLORATION DRIVEN SCIENCE, where noone doing the research at the time had any kind of insight as to what might come of it.

You cant simply sit there and claim that exploration driven science should be stopped because it costs too much, AND you cant foresee its benefits, that's just a failing on your imagination, not on the scientific process.

As much as I admire the older chap for his position within the british academia, it is people with attitudes like him that enable the idiots of this world to hang shit on people with a passion for understanding how it all works.

Once you start saying "maybe thats a bit too far", you open the door for a lot more, just look at what Bush has done to the credibility of scientific reporting by essentially removing the ability for the scientists to report their findings without running it through the "washington filter" first....a disaster.

>> ^spoco2:
You do all know that aeroplanes are designed to easily take lightning strikes? Because of their metal bodies, the lighting just runs around the outside on its way to ground.
By way of further explanation:

A handful of jets have been blown up by lightning, including a Pan American flight in 1963 that killed 83 people. But scientists have since figured out how to mostly harness Nature's fury. In the early 1980s, NASA (whose shuttle launch pad was struck by lightning the other day) flew a jet into a thunderstorm at 38,000 feet. It was hit 72 times in 45 minutes, and much was learned. Commerical planes are still hit about once a year, by some estimates. A strike typically starts at a wingtip, nose or tail and courses through the skin, which is often made of aluminum—a good conductor. The plane's lights might flicker, but most of the energy just heads back into the sky if there are no gaps in the skin. Modern jets often employ advanced composite materials, which are not so conductive, so metal has to be added to the composites to carry the lightning.

You do all know that aeroplanes are designed to easily take lightning strikes? Because of their metal bodies, the lighting just runs around the outside on its way to ground.

By way of further explanation:

A handful of jets have been blown up by lightning, including a Pan American flight in 1963 that killed 83 people. But scientists have since figured out how to mostly harness Nature's fury. In the early 1980s, NASA (whose shuttle launch pad was struck by lightning the other day) flew a jet into a thunderstorm at 38,000 feet. It was hit 72 times in 45 minutes, and much was learned. Commerical planes are still hit about once a year, by some estimates. A strike typically starts at a wingtip, nose or tail and courses through the skin, which is often made of aluminum—a good conductor. The plane's lights might flicker, but most of the energy just heads back into the sky if there are no gaps in the skin. Modern jets often employ advanced composite materials, which are not so conductive, so metal has to be added to the composites to carry the lightning.

>> ^oxdottir:
all the original Thomas--train only--vignettes are in the American show, but george carlin narrates. Thus stuff here is just extra. and I can assure you kids like both parts.

I can assure you my kids don't.

The 'in world' only movie 'Calling all Trains' has received far more airings in our house compared to 'Thomas and the Magic Railroad'... I mean, how the yanks can be so self centered as to make it based in America is absolutely beyond me. It's as if ANYTHING possibly showing something at ALL not of the US get's immediately canned.

Pathetic.

Also, I don't mean to be politically correct, but it's a bit contradicting to what George Carlin believed and stood for to say RIP. "The term 'Rest in Peace' is a prayer that the deceased may rest peacefully, not in torment, while awaiting Judgment Day." - Wikipedia. George being a staunch atheist, it just doesn't seem appropriate.

Not to sound pretentious or anything, I just cringe a little when I hear people say that, because George stood so firmly against that sort of belief.

Oh, and if he IS in heaven or hell, he's not looking down/up upon us. He's too busy creating as much of a ruckus there as he did here. It's his style!

Goodbye, Mr.Conductor, and may Joe Pesci bless your soul.

Alright, so where do I go to become a train conductor now?

Ahh, I wish I could've been there, if only to see her face when she came out of the cabin and someone said "By the way.."

Kinda reminds me of the producers.

"Even though we're sitting down, We're giving you a STANDING ovation!"

*Cross Legs*

>> ^Eklek:
Here are the naughty NHL prank students talking about their stunt (in Dutch):
http://www.mjuks.nl/video.php?f=195
They had a key to open a door to reach the intercom, were a bit scared but they did it anyway and played the porn tape near the intercom.


That's what I figured happened. Try as you might, kronos, we all know you're still a virgin.

Hi,
could you please change the title/description of your post
http://www.videosift.com/video/Female-Train-Conductor-Leaves-Mic-On
Thanks:)

>> ^laura:
...and I mean, 30 minutes? Please. No one went to the door of the "conductor's cabin" and knocked? 30 minutes? That's a funny prank, though.

Oh yeah, I'm good.

...and I mean, 30 minutes? Please. No one went to the door of the "conductor's cabin" and knocked? 30 minutes? That's a funny prank, though.

>> ^Constitutional_Patriot:
I wonder what people's reactions would have been if the conductor was male...


It probably wouldn't have been as big of a deal since they would have only had to listen to it for two minutes.