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Ohio GOP Primary Debate

luxintenebris says...

have to say, that's spot-on.

"adults in the room"?

best curse could imagine would be to cast a spell that these candidates can only argue with reason and logic (turn campaigns into debates on ideas and solutions).

then this show would resemble cctv of a laundry mat's lounge area. nothing being said, and most folk would find themselves watching the dryers than the canidates.

saw this https://tinyurl.com/yu22kfd6 and might be the under-lying reason why these little men are so testy.

BSR said:

They both need to go stand in the corner with their hands behind their back until mom tells them it's ok to come out.

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Police protect and serve mentally ill man

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Dog knocks down pedestrian

entr0py says...

The sound effect right before makes me think the guy watching on CCTV has a button that drops dogs. First of all, that's a silly security system. And misused in this case.

Don't Steal Parking Spots From Jeeps

MonkeySpank says...

That's not a CCTV cam. That's a drone filming it. Of course it's fake

Esoog said:

Fake.

And...why would you waste all that effort when you could take one of the other spots?

And...if it were real, you just fucked over those other cars you blocked in.

But fake.

Thieves in Germany Nowadays

Never Vacuum Gas

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Jesse Williams' fiery BET Awards Speech

SDGundamX says...

@bobknight33

Wow man. So out of touch with reality. Not that I blame you, really. It seems like most of America wants to live in fantasy-land these day, regardless of whether they describe themselves as conservative, liberal, or Martian.

But you think maybe white people might be more friendly with officers during routine encounters because, say, the cops aren't systematically pulling them over and frisking them for bullshit reasons, beating them almost to death even after they surrender, or straight up executing them even when they're unarmed?

So are you really surprised that minorities treat the police with suspicion and aren't friendly when encountering one even during a routine traffic stop?

Bicycle & Bus Near Miss

oritteropo says...

The linked article says that it was indeed:

Municipal Services Minister Meegan Fitzharris said the driver would be counselled and a note placed on his file.

"The footage was sent to the driver's depot manager who has interviewed and spoken with the driver and reviewed CCTV footage from the bus," she said.

"The investigation is now complete.

"ACTION will send an apology to the cyclist."

newtboy said:

And that, my friends, is why, if there's no bicycle lane, it's legal and the right thing to do to ride in the MIDDLE of the first lane so assholes don't do exactly this and kill you.
What a dick. I hope a complaint was made that goes on his employment record.

Raw Video: The President Takes a Surprise Walk

dannym3141 says...

I can't believe that guy actually shouted 'Freedom.'

If there's one thing we the west represent right now it is anything but freedom. Freedom to have CCTV's watching us round the clock, freedom to have our computer activity spied on, freedom to be phone and email tapped, freedom to choose between working zero hour work contracts or starvation, freedom, freedom, freedom. Nothing but freedom. Freedom to label as a traitor and ostracise Snowden from all western countries for SHOWING US HOW FREE WE REALLY ARE. But thank god all this freedom we've given up is ensuring our safety from, for example, people being massacred for making satirical comments.

If our whistleblowers aren't free, WE AREN'T FREE.

Was he being sarcastic for fuck's sake? How are people so ignorant of the things that are done in our name?

Drunk man falls on tracks, is saved by officer just in time

Women steal new lawn from front yard

Chumtoad says...

The theft was filmed by a CCTV camera. He's playing back prerecorded footage and filming the monitor with a handheld camera. The guy wasn't present (at 5 AM, probably sleeping) when it happened.

Reefie said:

The theft took 40 minutes, in which time the person filming this didn't think to call the police or go out there and confront the women so they could later be identified? What is wrong with people?!

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Prison (HBO)

RedSky says...

1) Northern Europe is the closest comparison income wise to the US besides Japan which is culturally very different. I don't think it's unreasonable to aggregate these countries in comparing. There isn't going to be a perfect example, but Russia is very far from it.

Your argument about the death penalty is a null point because what you're proposing is impractical and thus not worth debating.

2) & 3) Greenland has a GDP per capita of 22K and is a highly idiosyncratic example given its population density. I think that's pretty much self evident. If Greenland is your best example I think I've proven my point.

I have no doubt that greater surveillance and enforcement will reduce crime rates. I'm not disputing that. Technology will naturally improve this through the likes of ever improving facial recognition. But I don't think a UK style CCTV policing system would be affordable given that the US is less densely populated in cities. As for enforcement, I don't think there's been a lack of money thrown in that direction. The issue, as this video points out, is more that if it was targeted at violent rather than drug offenders the overall benefit to society would be greater. There I would not disagree.

4)

Germany and the Netherlands are other examples where it has worked:

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/11/14/some-european-prisons-are-shrinking-and-closing-what-can-america-learn

What you're proposing (visa vi death penalty) is something no democratic country has accepted (or will, I think). What I propose is at least accepted by to a large extent by many European developed countries. The US may shift eventually if it is recognised the current policies have been consistently failing.

5)

Yes there are many reasons why Venezuela is not a fair example. I think you make my point. Surveillance and enforcement are both necessary to reduce crime. Of course if you pick countries distinctly lacking in them then it supports your case.

But I'm arguing about which would be better given the baseline of current US policy. I think you would agree that both surveillance and enforcement are of a much higher standard in the US, with largely meritocratic and corruption free police forces. If that's the case then other developed countries, with roughly similar incomes and therefore tax revenues to afford comparable police force standards are a good reference. Venezuela is not.

Jerykk said:

@RedSky

1) I never said that wasn't any research showing that rehabilitation can reduce recidivism. I said there's not enough research. The cultural and economic situation of a small European country isn't quite analogous to the current state of the U.S. Also, how does the death penalty not eliminate recidivism entirely? You can't commit crimes if you're dead. Thus, guaranteed results.

2) So by "first-world," you're basically talking about Europe. Does Greenland qualify? They have a murder rate of 19.4. I'll concede that the U.S. has a higher murder rate than Europe. Is that due solely to how we deal with criminals? Possibly, but I doubt it. It certainly doesn't prove that increasing surveillance, enforcement and punishment wouldn't reduce crime rates.

3) Like I said before, most criminals are fully aware of the severity of their crimes. The problem is that they think they can get away with it. Harsher penalties mean nothing without the enforcement to back them, which is why I suggested increasing surveillance and enforcement in addition to harsher penalties. You need both in order to provide an effective deterrent.

4) If you can provide more data than Scandinavia's recidivism rates, I'll gladly accept that rehabilitation can work in the U.S. But even then, rehabilitation will never reduce recidivism completely whereas death would. Is it realistic to expect the U.S. government to enact the death penalty for all crimes? No, not at all. It's unrealistic to expect them to enforce breeding restrictions too. That doesn't change the fact these things would reduce crime rates. If we're stuck on realism, the likelihood of the government ever adopting a rehabilitation policy like in Norway's is pretty low.

5) One could just as easily argue that crime in Venezuela is a result of drug trafficking dominating the country, resulting in corrupt police and politicians that let the cartels do whatever they want. You exclude third-world countries because they undermine your argument. Third-world countries have a lot of poverty, yes, and nobody is going to deny the correlation between poverty and crime. However, they also suffer from a distinct lack of police surveillance and enforcement, either because the police are corrupt or there simply aren't enough to sufficiently enforce the law in all areas.



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