Was that Tony Blair at 0:36?

(Yes, I saw Teddy)

If I'm not mistaken, she also left Tony Blair lost for words when she asked him why she was paying taxes when she wasn't allowed to vote.

On October 24, 2011, Ford was confronted at his home by Mary Walsh, a cast member of the satirical show This Hour Has 22 Minutes, in costume as her character Marg Delahunty. Walsh has frequently conducted "ambush" interviews of Canadian politicians as this character, a housewife who dresses in an outfit inspired by Xena: Warrior Princess. Ford called 911 twice, reportedly shouting at the dispatcher "You … bitches! Don't you fucking know? I'm Rob fucking Ford, the mayor of this city!" Ford denied directing "foul and derogatory comments" at the dispatcher but apologized for his use of profanity.[71][72][73] Toronto police Chief Bill Blair released a statement shortly afterwards stating that he had reviewed three emergency calls involving the mayor and that their content had been 'misrepresented'. According to the chief, the word 'bitches' was never used nor did the mayor describe himself as originally claimed.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Ford

Being the biggest backers doesn't mean it's being done for religious purposes.

I'm not debating some see it that way. You also have a bunch of people who didn't, too.

Where in that link did Tony Blair was quoted saying this was part of a Christian struggle?! It's loosely about believing it's a good versus evil thing. It's not about killing Muslims because Muslims are evil, or demoralizing Muslim culture to make room for Christian culture.. If you believe it was about killing Muslims, or advancing the interests of Christianity at the expense of Islam, you need your head examined. At no point was Blair ever on a Christian Crusade.

A VERY small group of evangelical Christian soldiers doesn't make the case.

Now, about Obama and Christianity. You do realize Obama at this point pretty much goes to church because it's a political liability if he doesn't. He quite possibly is the least religious president to ever be in office.

He is not intentionally trying to kill Civilians. #1. The statistics you sited are skewed concerning civilian casualties, although I'm not dismissing civilian casualties. Significant civilian casualties have been a mainstay in military action since WWII on all sides, after a brief reprieve in WWI and other wars leading up to it. You do the best you can to limit them while achieving your objectives. The reality is you won't achieve anything if you try to avoid any civilian casualties.

With that said, the article is discussing Predator drone casualties only, which is a small fraction of total casualties. And even then, you have a dispute on statistics, and I agree the US military is not going to give an unbiased number either. However, it's very difficult to tell what the accurate number is at this point.

See the above about civilian casualties as collateral damage. It would be difficult to achieve anything if the primary focus was to avoid them instead of achieving objectives.

Does all this add up to terrorism? No, for several reasons:

1. It isn't intentional, not any part of the objective in conducting them. Terrorist acts are specific explicit targeting of civilians. Often, the more civilians you kill, the better when you're a terrorist.
2. You sited bombings in Tripoli. Part of the objectives in that raid is to topple the oppressive regime in Libya, is it not? And yes, I completely accept that we're not just there for that. Libya has oil resources, etc. we're interested in, but it doesn't change the fact that part of the reason we're there is to free the Libyan people from an oppressive regime. It's pretty silly to site an operation that inadvertently killed civilians to achieve a better life for the Libyan people at large.

Extreme progressives are critical of Obama for many of the things you're siting. Obama isn't an extreme progressive, socialist, communist, etc. as much as QM and WP would love for you to believe. He's a moderate politician who leans to the left. If that's the indictment, I don't think anyone would disagree he's not the most liberal progressive politician since FDR. He's not. To say however he isn't progressive at all is not true either. Honestly, as much oil as there is in Libya, it's not worth military action. There's a bit of idealist progressivism to conduct air strikes against Libya.

And again, I fail to see how that's relevant to the debate of the religion of this guy. He is a Christian, there's no doubt about it. Granted, he's got a warped Christian ideology, but it is Christian. You can't say someone isn't Christian just because you don't agree with their interpretation.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^heropsycho:
The war on terror isn't being waged based on an overt Christian ideology. There's the difference. There are plenty of Muslims in the US military who see no problem fighting radical Islam. Not sure how you missed that, but it's pretty obvious. This guy performed terrorist acts because of his warped Christian ideology.
My second point is wtf does Obama and Progressivism have to do with any of this? Short answer: it doesn't. And yes, this guy is clearly a Christian of the super-nutty variety. Every religion, and even atheists, have their nuts. Why is this so shocking to anyone?
>> ^marbles:
>> ^heropsycho:
1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!
>> ^marbles:
The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.


1. Christian war hawks bombing and invading Muslim countries. Do some research.
2. Does this video not suggest Breivik is a Christian terrorist?


And as far as the war on terror as a Christian crusade, you have:
-Conservative Christians as the biggest backers of the Iraq war (link)
-Pentagon officials that see the "war on terror" as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role (link)
-President Bush using Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq (link)
-Prime Minister Tony Blair viewing his decisions to go to war in Iraq and Kosovo as part of a "Christian battle" (link)

-US Military trying to convert Arabs to Christianity (link)(link)
These examples are just the surface, they don't even really delve into the Zionist components of the wars.

As for your second point--short answer: it has everything to do with it. It exposes your own hypocritical POV. (along with many other's)
Obama is a self professed Christian. He indiscriminately kills civilians with military drones (some estimates put the civilian death rate at 90%, the other 10% are just suspects executed without due process)(link)
Is this not terrorism?
Is Obama not a Christian terrorist?
There is ongoing torture of uncharged suspects, many who are innocent civilians, many who we know are innocent civilians. (link)(link)(link)(link)
Just recently, NATO bombing runs in Tripoli would last for several hours, hitting civilian targets and killing innocents. (link)(link)
Is this not terrorism that is fully supported by Obama and progressives?

>> ^heropsycho:

The war on terror isn't being waged based on an overt Christian ideology. There's the difference. There are plenty of Muslims in the US military who see no problem fighting radical Islam. Not sure how you missed that, but it's pretty obvious. This guy performed terrorist acts because of his warped Christian ideology.
My second point is wtf does Obama and Progressivism have to do with any of this? Short answer: it doesn't. And yes, this guy is clearly a Christian of the super-nutty variety. Every religion, and even atheists, have their nuts. Why is this so shocking to anyone?
>> ^marbles:
>> ^heropsycho:
1. How so?
2. WTF does that have to do with anything in this video?!
>> ^marbles:
The war against terror is largely a "Christian" crusade and yet I don't see you guys up in arms about it.
Any "progressive" that supports Obama or the Democrat Party is about as much progressive as Breivik is Christian.


1. Christian war hawks bombing and invading Muslim countries. Do some research.
2. Does this video not suggest Breivik is a Christian terrorist?




And as far as the war on terror as a Christian crusade, you have:

-Conservative Christians as the biggest backers of the Iraq war (link)

-Pentagon officials that see the "war on terror" as a religious war between Judeo-Christian civilization and Satan, with Islam of course cast in the latter role (link)

-President Bush using Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq (link)

-Prime Minister Tony Blair viewing his decisions to go to war in Iraq and Kosovo as part of a "Christian battle" (link)

-US Military trying to convert Arabs to Christianity (link)(link)

These examples are just the surface, they don't even really delve into the Zionist components of the wars.




As for your second point--short answer: it has everything to do with it. It exposes your own hypocritical POV. (along with many other's)

Obama is a self professed Christian. He indiscriminately kills civilians with military drones (some estimates put the civilian death rate at 90%, the other 10% are just suspects executed without due process)(link)

Is this not terrorism?

Is Obama not a Christian terrorist?

There is ongoing torture of uncharged suspects, many who are innocent civilians, many who we know are innocent civilians. (link)(link)(link)(link)

Just recently, NATO bombing runs in Tripoli would last for several hours, hitting civilian targets and killing innocents. (link)(link)

Is this not terrorism that is fully supported by Obama and progressives?

First-person POV has become part of the modern human's visual vocabulary in a new way. Twenty years ago a large part of the audience would probably find such a shot overly disorienting. You'd have a lot of people complaining it gave them motion sickness or that they just couldn't tell what was happening. Or I imagine really stupid people would say "that's so CHEAP you can't even see Spider-Man!"

But these days with hundreds of millions of phone cameras, and people growing up playing first-person videogames, the first-person point-of-view has become instantly readable to a large part of the audience (and it's not like everyone needs training to "get" such shots... just the common miscreants). Blair Witch, Cloverfield etc. were an introduction but not true POV movies. I can't wait for the first all-POV movie.

>> ^alizarin:

I'd love to see this applied to some famous things like Zapruder JFK assassination film, the Patterson-Gimlin bigfoot film, etc.


Or the Blair Witch Project...

Lol, I love how Tony Blair is treated... or Gordon Brown? I can't tell those silly English people... And the singer at the end sounded like Red Fox.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^bareboards2:
Is there something wrong with trying to comfort one's self when you think you are going to die?
To me, this is the ONLY good thing that religion has to offer -- personal comfort. Just about everything else about religion bugs me -- but this? This is what religion was originally invented for. In my opinion.

>> ^spoco2:
Shit, could someone just knock out the woman who kept saying 'Heavenly father, jesus,jesus, jesus'... 'Thankyou Jesus'. Right there is one of the fricken reasons why blind religion is so damn dangerous. It breeds a reliance on this 'god' fellow, it makes you abscond from having belief in yourself, from being able to handle things yourself, but rather you sit and wait for your damn 'heavenly father' to save you.

Bravo to the guys who took leadership and told people to stay calm and kept everyone safe, that was taking things into your own hands and helping others. A FAR more 'christian' thing to do than just weep to your lord. Bravo, bravo.


Yeah, but what it ends up doing in a 'crisis' situation like this is turns the person into a worthless lump who is more likely to die and/or get other people killed because they have no ability to pull themselves together and help the situation.
The guys in this video who helped everyone out made a difference to all of these people. That woman, if left to her own devices may have just stood or sat somewhere wailing at her god until she was killed by the tornado.
If religion can make you unafraid of death in such a way that you are able to remove a lot of fear in a situation like this and help yourself and others, then it could be helpful, but when it makes you only capable of awaiting your 'fate', then there's a problem.


and you think this somehow has more to do with her religion than panic and anxiety?

Parents live outside of Chico, towards the Sierras... fire problems out there.


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hehe, i should have specified that i live in northern california, away from the coast. we really don't get any natural disasters to speak of, including earthquakes.

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>> ^spoco2:

>> ^smooman:
>> ^spoco2:
Shit, could someone just knock out the woman who kept saying 'Heavenly father, jesus,jesus, jesus'... 'Thankyou Jesus'. Right there is one of the fricken reasons why blind religion is so damn dangerous. It breeds a reliance on this 'god' fellow, it makes you abscond from having belief in yourself, from being able to handle things yourself, but rather you sit and wait for your damn 'heavenly father' to save you.

Bravo to the guys who took leadership and told people to stay calm and kept everyone safe, that was taking things into your own hands and helping others. A FAR more 'christian' thing to do than just weep to your lord. Bravo, bravo.

ya what was that woman thinking crying out to her personal lord in a moment of unspeakable vulnerability, fear, and traumatic angst?! I mean, her crying for help to the only being she perceives could help her in such a helpless event just paints her as the walking time bomb she really is!
we get it spoco, you hate religious people. they are beneath you. now fuck off

I know that you're religious, I know that you have a hard time not insulting anyone who disagrees with you (your commenting history shows it to be true), but if you can't see why her reaction to a crisis is a far worse reaction than those who actively helped, then we have nothing to talk about.


so lets, in your words, knock her out? keep trollin

I disagree with your cause and effect conclusion, my friend.

You don't think that some atheists can be just as ineffective in a crisis?

I do understand your point, but the guys who moved to action could be just as fervent Christians. You don't know.

You know I agree with you about religion, right? I think many bad things have been done in its name. However, it has been with humans since we gained consciousness. It serves a purpose, or we wouldn't have it, it would have killed us off by now.

It is as all things are in life -- imperfect.



In reply to this comment by spoco2:
>> ^bareboards2:

Is there something wrong with trying to comfort one's self when you think you are going to die?
To me, this is the ONLY good thing that religion has to offer -- personal comfort. Just about everything else about religion bugs me -- but this? This is what religion was originally invented for. In my opinion.

>> ^spoco2:
Shit, could someone just knock out the woman who kept saying 'Heavenly father, jesus,jesus, jesus'... 'Thankyou Jesus'. Right there is one of the fricken reasons why blind religion is so damn dangerous. It breeds a reliance on this 'god' fellow, it makes you abscond from having belief in yourself, from being able to handle things yourself, but rather you sit and wait for your damn 'heavenly father' to save you.

Bravo to the guys who took leadership and told people to stay calm and kept everyone safe, that was taking things into your own hands and helping others. A FAR more 'christian' thing to do than just weep to your lord. Bravo, bravo.



Yeah, but what it ends up doing in a 'crisis' situation like this is turns the person into a worthless lump who is more likely to die and/or get other people killed because they have no ability to pull themselves together and help the situation.

The guys in this video who helped everyone out made a difference to all of these people. That woman, if left to her own devices may have just stood or sat somewhere wailing at her god until she was killed by the tornado.

If religion can make you unafraid of death in such a way that you are able to remove a lot of fear in a situation like this and help yourself and others, then it could be helpful, but when it makes you only capable of awaiting your 'fate', then there's a problem.

>> ^smooman:

>> ^spoco2:
Shit, could someone just knock out the woman who kept saying 'Heavenly father, jesus,jesus, jesus'... 'Thankyou Jesus'. Right there is one of the fricken reasons why blind religion is so damn dangerous. It breeds a reliance on this 'god' fellow, it makes you abscond from having belief in yourself, from being able to handle things yourself, but rather you sit and wait for your damn 'heavenly father' to save you.

Bravo to the guys who took leadership and told people to stay calm and kept everyone safe, that was taking things into your own hands and helping others. A FAR more 'christian' thing to do than just weep to your lord. Bravo, bravo.

ya what was that woman thinking crying out to her personal lord in a moment of unspeakable vulnerability, fear, and traumatic angst?! I mean, her crying for help to the only being she perceives could help her in such a helpless event just paints her as the walking time bomb she really is!
we get it spoco, you hate religious people. they are beneath you. now fuck off


I know that you're religious, I know that you have a hard time not insulting anyone who disagrees with you (your commenting history shows it to be true), but if you can't see why her reaction to a crisis is a far worse reaction than those who actively helped, then we have nothing to talk about.