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ChaosEngine (Member Profile)

Obama worse than Bush

cosmovitelli says...

At the risk of trying to be smarter than big Noam am I the only one not surprised that Obama can't control a multi-trillion dollar war machine that's been doing it's own thing since '45? The only president to ever really try was JFK..

Btw that's Jeremy Paxman interviewing, probably for BBC newsnight.

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The Trouble With The Pope (15:13)

BBC Newsnight investigates the evil of the Catholic Church

BicycleRepairMan says...

>> ^Drachen_Jager:

Observant Christians DO support child molesters.
Who do you think pays their wages?
Note I made a distinction between observant and non-observant, I suspect Noam Chomsky spent very little time in the synagogue (though I may be wrong). As I said before, in my experience observant Jews are very supportive of Israel's campaign of genocide. The problem talking about Jewish people is that there's the race and the religion. I have nothing against the race, I have many friends who are racially Jewish. It's the religion I have a problem with.


Then the correct term is judaism, not "the jews" which was my point all along

BBC Newsnight investigates the evil of the Catholic Church

BicycleRepairMan says...

>> ^Drachen_Jager:

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:
>> ^Drachen_Jager:
Don't forget the Jews, what they're doing to the Palestinians is imo worse than the child molestation of the Catholic Church.

"The Jews" ≠ the state of Israel.

"The Vatican" ≠ Child molesting priests
Almost all major religions are evil, their members are either actively participating in atrocities or passively looking the other way and enabling.
I know of very few observant Jews who do not support Israel's position (but I know many who are Jewish by birth but not religion who are against the way Israel treats the Palestinians).


The vatican has, as this video shows, and any fair investigation would show, and any rational person should see at this point, been systematically protecting child rapists, so no, "the vatican" is not a child molesting priest (impossible, since its not an actual person) but its an institution who willingly and knowingly, and systematically protects and aid them. And "the Vatican" or "The Catholic Church" is different from the word "Catholics", as I would never say Catholics in general help priests abuse children or accuse them of any other collective crime..

In exactly the same sense, "Jews" are not a state or an organization, its a word to describe people with a religious/cultural background, so to speak of "the jews" as if it was one entity with common blame is something I thought belonged to another, darker era tbh. When you say "the Jews" you include people like Jerry Seinfeld and Noam Chomsky, and what the fuck did they do against palestinians? Besides, there are just as many, if not far more, Christian supporters of Israel, and what about them? So if you want, you could say "Israel and its supporters" and maybe even stretch it to Judaism or zionism, but not to Jews in general.

BBC Newsnight investigates the evil of the Catholic Church

Drachen_Jager says...

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

>> ^Drachen_Jager:
Don't forget the Jews, what they're doing to the Palestinians is imo worse than the child molestation of the Catholic Church.

"The Jews" ≠ the state of Israel.


"The Vatican" ≠ Child molesting priests

Almost all major religions are evil, their members are either actively participating in atrocities or passively looking the other way and enabling.

I know of very few observant Jews who do not support Israel's position (but I know many who are Jewish by birth but not religion who are against the way Israel treats the Palestinians).

BBC Newsnight investigates the evil of the Catholic Church

BBC Newsnight investigates the evil of the Catholic Church

Drachen_Jager says...

>> ^Bloocut:

If you are going to nuke the Vatican, perhaps a three-fold surgical strike-
Seat(s) of Catholicism, Islam
Seat(s) of economic control (forget low-yeild nukes, use tomahawks, exocets, whatever you got)
Seat(s) of Major media (to do this will take some satellite gremlins)


Don't forget the Jews, what they're doing to the Palestinians is imo worse than the child molestation of the Catholic Church.

Oh and don't forget all the spinoff Christians. Take out the governments of Myanmar, China and North Korea too. Wipe out the "leadership" of the GOP and the Tea Party.

That would deal with many of the world's problems.

BBC Newsnight investigates the evil of the Catholic Church

ChaosEngine says...

>> ^harry:


And I can't believe this is a Catholic exclusive problem. Or is it? You don't hear much about abuse from other religious social workers (whatever you call them.. priests, rabbis, vicars). Why's that?


Well, humans have not evolved to be celibate creatures. The Catholic Church, and most other major religions for that matter, are profoundly messed up in this matter. They regard sex as something to be tolerated for the purposes of procreation. A necessary evil. I don't know how or why they arrived at this ridiculous position, but at least most other religions allow their ministers to marry.

If you go looking for a group of people who are willing subjugate their normal human desires, it's not hard to believe that you will find some deeply disturbed psyches in that group. Apply it to a large enough group (over 400,000 priests according to wikipedia) and you're bound to find some individuals who will cross the line.

BicycleRepairMan (Member Profile)

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BBC Newsnight Heated Debate Over "Climategate"

dystopianfuturetoday says...

>> ^Drax:
>> ^osama1234:
This reminds me of Ann Coulter's "Canada sent troop to vietnam" type thing, where the canadian reporter said, " no we didn't sent throops". She then replied, "No, I'm sure, they did".

...and they did.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Canada_send_troops_to_Vietnam
Quite a few in fact, it sounds.
Canada awarded medals to 1,550 of these troops for their service between August 7, 1954 and January 28, 1973.


Did you even read past the title?

The "wikianswer" you've linked to says the Canadian "troops" (sic) were "part of the International Control Commission for Vietnam, a neutral body meant to oversee and report on the peace deal that ended the first indochina war (French vs. Vietminh" (sic) So, if we are to take this grammatically-challenged anonymous article at it's word, there are 2 major problems with it.

1) The International Control Commission is an international body, not Canadian.
2) They were sent as peacekeepers, not military "troops".

Be more critical of what you read.

BBC Newsnight Heated Debate Over "Climategate"

Rotty says...

>> ^osama1234:
This is what i hate about the USA media and politics, and they're doing this on this BBC show as well. EVERYTHING, i mean EVERYTHING becomes into a two way debate, everything is open to debate. I mean they could just as well have people up there arguing that 2+2 is 4 vs someone who says it's 5. I hate the state of the USA where everybody gets a voice, even if they're making retarded claims. And there's no doubt, someone (who is wrong) will be able to deny something, while make a random allegation and leave the viewer thinking this topic is open to debate.
This reminds me of Ann Coulter's "Canada sent troop to vietnam" type thing, where the canadian reporter said, " no we didn't sent throops". She then replied, "No, I'm sure, they did". I mean, what do you do when truth can be denied point blank.
I hate this, I wish the USA went back to its basics, one nation under god. A fear of god when you talk, not making random shit up just so you get your policy. I HATE how truth has become a casualty.


Unfortunately, the socialists here have declared God as non-existant. So, any expression of belief is treated with ridicule and worse. And, "everything" is only open to debate if you agree with the socialist doctrine. Otherwise, again, you are ridiculed and marked as racist/politcally incorrect/wacko/tea-bagger/birther...the list goes on. Those witha third opinion get no respect/attention at all, as the last "election" clearly demonstrated.

BTW, did canada send troops to vietnam? Where was the casualty, truth or credibility?

BBC Newsnight Heated Debate Over "Climategate"



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