>> ^arekin:

I ave to wonder what constitutes indecency in San Fran.

Not a whole lot-The worst indecency suffered at my hand there came from an irate drunk who was washed awake with a 5-gallon bucket o' water-He had passed out on the building's entry in his own stink, and his alarm clock was loud and wet!

>> ^Sagemind:

Emotions, hate and everything negative create a killer - thereby emotion, forgiveness and love shall set him free.
...And by free, I mean free to remorse and begin a process of feeling what it is to be human again.
Since negative forces create a killer, condemnation and negativity will never penetrate to hard shell he has around him. The unexpected realization that someone is reaching out, someone you expect only condemnation from can be the chisels to start the first crack of remorse and acceptance that maybe someone out there cares.


Don't get me wrong, I believe that what the man did was wonderful and truly human in a way that the bitterness and hate displayed by the other people miss. However, I feel like it might be jumping the gun interpreting the emotion displayed by this scum as you (and others) have. I'm not saying that there couldn't be healing there, but I also feel like those tears may be more of the selfish and insane attitude that made him a serial killer to begin with.

I'm not sure who said it first, but Carrie Fischer had a great line in her one-woman show: bitterness is like you drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. I agree wholeheartedly that what this man did was far more productive to himself and others than the vitriol spilled by those who couldn't show compassion towards this waste. Still, I understand them and wouldn't trust this man to be anything other than what he clearly is: cold, unfeeling, and already dead.

Not to get gruesome, but this man faced FAR more compelling moments which should have evoked empathy. He faced his victims and strangled them to death (if I googled the right guy, over 90 time) Think about that. He had people in his control who he tortured. They were awake and likely pleading for their lives. Probably women. Imagine their eyes filled with tears as he did whatever horrors he did to them.

To think that a moment of forgiveness from one of his victim's families makes him in any way human is just naive. I am far more likely to believe that his tears were motivated by the same hyper-narcissism that he felt killing his victims. We will never know exactly what was going through his head as he cried in this clip, but I doubt it has anything to do with healing or becoming human. It more than likely has to do with another selfish, "I'm great and this guy gets me" insanity.

All this said, I vacillate on the death penalty. I remember the quote Gandalf says about the subject and find it one of the most compelling anti-death penalty statements: Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

This guy is about as much of a clear choice of someone I would have no problem putting to death. This isn't OJ for which you could argue that there is tainted evidence... this guy not only admits his horrible guilt, but is verifiable in a much more concrete way. Yet, I can't help but to think that we could learn from him and hopefully good can come of that, either to help prevent the creation of other monsters like him, or at least clues on how to catch them easier.

In the end though I empathize with both sides of those who spoke. I agree that the gentleman who forgave the killer will lead a relatively happier life, in as much as he can having lived through what he did, but I completely understand wanting this man to suffer after what he did to his victims. He is not human, he will never be, and I don't believe his tears are noteworthy as an example of his humanity, but rather curious as a psychopath who smiles or whistles as he inflicts horrors on others.

I'd much rather watch a video where a cat tries to wake up a dude who's already awake.

In reality though, the cat is just waiting for him to die so he can eat him!

*quality music and message.



_{And thanks to @UsesProzac whose queendom of loungelizardland brought me to her profile to congratulate her thus exposing me to @berticus' comment to this video which was a response to @toferyu calling a soldier a kid but who cares Kate Bush okayneedtocatchmybreathnow}

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In reply to this comment by UsesProzac:
Oh berti, linking Kate Bush.. let me be your beard!
In reply to this comment by berticus:
Sure you do.

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.

Oh berti, linking Kate Bush.. let me be your beard!
In reply to this comment by berticus:
Sure you do.

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.

Well said @toferyu

As they'd say over on Reddit, I'll see your Kate Bush & Raise you a Paul Hardcastle

>> ^berticus:

Sure you do.
>> ^BoneRemake:
>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.

exact kinda shit I do after being awake for that long. Makes living interesting.

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.


but...they ARE kids

Sure you do.

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.

>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.


Calm down, Francis.

Dude looks like he's 1/2 my age, could be my son, I'll call him "Kid".
That doesn't take anything away from the commitment, life changing experience he's going through and PTSD he'll be taking back with him.
Still think he's funny and could get himself a show.
>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^toferyu:
Kid should have his own show !

ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.

>> ^toferyu:

Kid should have his own show !


ya don't go calling someone who enlisted in an armed force a fucking kid.

Excuse me for butting in late in the discussion but;

If the point of religion is to live well enough that when you die your god judges you well, isn't what you do in your life more important than what you believe? If you live a good life, are caring and considerate of those around you and do your best to clean up the world around you, why would your god care about what you believe?

That is the point of many other religions, which say that you're good and bad works will be lined up on a scale, and then whichever one weighs out will determine which direction you'll go. Christianity says something different, which is that you cannot earn your way into Heaven with your good works. Although we may be relatively good people, compared to a Hitler or a Pol Pot, that is a relative standard. Gods standard for good is moral perfection. He has also decreed that the wages of sin is death. So, it's not that He cares what you believe, but that He has made a way for you to be pardoned for your sins through His Son Jesus Christ. That is the only way to be forgiven for sins and receive eternal life. So to reject that pardon is to stand trial for your crimes.

If the point of 'non-religion' is that life is without extended duration because there is nothing to reincarnate/fly heavenward/party in valhalla, that lack of belief won't change the animalistic instincts to love your child, protect it and by extension protect and support those around you. Therefore, you tend to want to live a life that is caring and considerate and leads you to clean up your own back yard.

The point is to think about your life while experiencing your life, to be awake for it all. 'Sinning' is much harder when you're aware of what you're doing (and yes atheists will understand the intent of the word). Beauty is everywhere. Not sleep-walking through life is reason enough for me, regardless of my (or your) religious inclinations.

Awareness is central to appreciating our life, but we also have to appreciate why we're here, and respond to it:

Revelation 3:20

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

>> ^jqpublick

Excuse me for butting in late in the discussion but;


If the point of religion is to live well enough that when you die your god judges you well, isn't what you do in your life more important than what you believe? If you live a good life, are caring and considerate of those around you and do your best to clean up the world around you, why would your god care about what you believe?

If the point of 'non-religion' is that life is without extended duration because there is nothing to reincarnate/fly heavenward/party in valhalla, that lack of belief won't change the animalistic instincts to love your child, protect it and by extension protect and support those around you. Therefore, you tend to want to live a life that is caring and considerate and leads you to clean up your own back yard.

The point is to think about your life while experiencing your life, to be awake for it all. 'Sinning' is much harder when you're aware of what you're doing (and yes atheists will understand the intent of the word). Beauty is everywhere. Not sleep-walking through life is reason enough for me, regardless of my (or your) religious inclinations.