comparing the second world war to current events is probably the first mistake to be made.
Not citing the vietnam war is another, wonder why... oh right.

FOX, we would like it if both our NEWS and text-books were an "accurate representation of what happened".

FOX does however make some great points. Like how we actually won the Vietnam war, increased rice production in Vietnam AND created ONLY 2,000,000 refugees. Just like in Iraq where we found WMDs, increased oil production and ended terrorism. FOX is right-on as always.

BTW. I can't believe that a text-book had a centerfold of Cindy Sheehan. Outrageous...

I just read the manga that this is based off of (the American version is titled Apocalypse Meow), and I gotta say, it's pretty good. The manga focuses on the Vietnam war, and is pretty historically accurate, right down to the slang the soldiers used. However,it's not for everyone, as some will find the military stuff boring.

The animated series looks like it will focus on the Iraqi hostage crisis in the 1970s, so I guess it would technically be a sequel. (I'd like it to go that route, since we'd get more character development from the rabbits, now that they're veterans of the Vietnam war.) Oddly, the trailer only shows Perky (Paki) and Botaski, missing the third rabbit, Rats. (Pity. I rather liked Rats.)

Random side note: The Americans are represented by rabbits as a pun on the Japanese word for rabbit, usagi. (Essentially, USA GI.)

I'm not sure I agree with his specific complaints about big pharma, although I agree in principle that big pharma is terrifyingly powerful. Also, the carcinogens in our drinking water bit doesn't seem right.

But in general, I tend to agree with him.

There was a fantastic full-length documentary about the 'dirty fucking hippies' on the sift somewhere that left me with the same feeling expressed by this sift.

ah, here we go: http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Electric-Kool-Aid-Acid-Test-CIA-Scenario-Backfires#comment-121652

Basically, that video said that all those protesters actually stopped the vietnam war. But what freaks me out is... if those people are the baby boomers, aka rthe people who are in power now... why the fuck do they keep making more and more wars?

it's so frustrating, especially when you realise just very VERY right the dirty fuckin' hippies were.

Ah, this is the fish you see all over Thailand being held by a group of US service men. They believe it's a naga that they pulled out of the Mekong during the Vietnam war. Actually it just washed up on a San Diego beach in 1996

I don't think he is a hippie just cause he is smoking weed. As Cheech and Chong say, hippies were about speaking out against the Vietnam war and the gov't and might get high afterwards, but STONERS smoke weed and are to high to and lazy to care. I guess that makes me a stoner.

Here's a list of the military actions the US has been involved in since 1960.

I think he may have a point...

1959-60 -- The Caribbean.
1962 -- Thailand.
1962 -- Cuba.
1962-75 -- Laos.
1964 -- Congo (Zaire).
1959-75 -- Vietnam War.
1965 -- Invasion of Dominican Republic
1967 --Israel.
1967 -- Congo (Zaire).
1968 -- Laos & Cambodia.
1970 -- Cambodia Campaign.
1974 -- Evacuation from Cyprus.
1975 -- Evacuation from Vietnam.
1975 -- Evacuation from Cambodia.
1975 -- South Vietnam.
1975 -- Cambodia.
1976 -- Lebanon.
1976 -- Korea.
1978 -- Zaire (Congo).
1980 -- Iran.
1981 -- El Salvador.
1981 --Libya. in the Gulf of Sidra, claimed by Libya as territorial waters but considered international waters by the United States.[RL30172]
1982 -- Sinai.
1982 -- Lebanon.
1982-1983 -- Lebanon.
1983 -- Grenada.
1983-89 -- Honduras.
1983 -- Chad.
1984 -- Persian Gulf.
1986 -- Libya.
1986 -- Libya.
1986 -- Bolivia
1987-88 -- Persian Gulf.
1988 -- Honduras
1988 -- Panama.
1989 -- Libya.
1989 -- Panama.
1989 -- Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru.
1989 -- Philippines.
1989-90 -- Panama.
1990 -- Liberia.
1990 -- Saudi Arabia.
1991 -- Iraq.
1991 -- Zaire
1992 -- Sierra Leone.
1992 -- Kuwait.
1992-2003 -- Iraq. Iraqi No-Fly Zones
1993-Bosnia-Herzegovina.
1993 -- Macedonia.
1994-95 -- Haiti.
1994 -- Macedonia.
1995 -- Bosnia.
1996 -- Liberia.
1996 -- Central African Republic.
1997 -- Albania.
1997 -- Congo and Gabon.
1997 -- Sierra Leone.
1997 -- Cambodia.
1998 -- Iraq.
1998 -- Guinea-Bissau.
1998 - 1999 Kenya and Tanzania.
1998 -- Afghanistan and Sudan.
1998 -- Liberia.
1999 - 2001 East Timor.
1999 -- NATO's bombing of Serbia
2000 -- Sierra Leone.
2000 -- Yemen.
2000 -- East Timor.
2001 -- Afghanistan.
2002 -- Yemen.
2002 -- Philippines.
2002 -- Côte d'Ivoire.
2003 -- 2003 invasion of Iraq
2003 -- Liberia.
2003 -- Georgia and Djibouti
2004 -- Haïti
2004 -- Georgia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Eritrea.[7]
2006 -- Pakistan.
2006 -- Lebanon.
2007 -- Somalia.

>> ^Farhad2000:
Videos selected and posted by the IDF or US Military forces media divisions are selected for the sole reason of justifying and illuminating the conflicts in favorable light. You will notice that the IDF nor any other military force never posted blue on blue incidents or civilian deaths, the US bombing of friendly UK forces was only revealed post video leak.
Media management of the military has been institutionalized ever since the media coverage of the Vietnam war. That's why the IDF does not allow any foreign media into GAZA and is actively restricting access to the war zone, the same way the US tried to do with Gulf War 2 with it's media embeds.
God you're so fucking stupid.


Farhead - Of course they release videos which show themselves in a justifying light. This is frequently necessatated by the Pallywood productions showing fake corpses, dead or wounded "civilians" or "children" (when both are actually participating combatants).

The internet has made information available as never before, and the military must release it there too. The public demands it. And it's not all official. Citizen/soldiers now blog and post their own pics and video.

Quite living in your stone-age paradigm and accept reality.

And your ad hominim attacks, "God you're so fucking stupid", detract from your entire attempt at a logical statement, making you seem instead like a blustering asshat. Try to belay that talk, and help to raise the quality of discourse around here.

Videos selected and posted by the IDF or US Military forces media divisions are selected for the sole reason of justifying and illuminating the conflicts in favorable light. You will notice that the IDF nor any other military force never posted blue on blue incidents or civilian deaths, the US bombing of friendly UK forces was only revealed post video leak.

Media management of the military has been institutionalized ever since the media coverage of the Vietnam war. That's why the IDF does not allow any foreign media into GAZA and is actively restricting access to the war zone, the same way the US tried to do with Gulf War 2 with it's media embeds.

God you're so fucking stupid.

This does not qualify as "OWNED".

According to Wikipedia "Canada did not fight in the Vietnam War" but "[...] about 30,000 Canadians volunteered to fight in southeast Asia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Vietnam_War#Canadians_in_the_U.S._military

The article is citing CBC's (!) digital archive
http://archives.cbc.ca/war_conflict/vietnam_war/topics/1413/

So if we're going to take Hamas to task on their ambulances then let's go, and unless we want to be branded as hypocrites then we'll want the Israeli government in the Hague and behind bars for their decades of war crimes against the Palestinian people as well.


Finally something I think we can both agree on, at least mostly. I'd say that would be a good first step, but you simply can't limit the Israel-Palestine conflict to just those two nations, I think that overly simplistic to the point of being false.

Let's be honest about the conflict. Even if Hezbollah, Hamas and all the palestinian people united to make a well co-ordinated surprise assault on Israel, the IDF would have it stomped out entirely within the week. The fighting between Israel and Palestinian militants is a real security threat to both, but I think it is only a small part of a bigger picture. It's like looking at the Korean or Vietnam wars without talking about the tensions between the US and USSR.

The real tension around Israel then is in fact between them and Syria and Iran. Syria and Iran together pose a vastly more credible threat to Israel. Both Syria and Iran fund Hezbollah and Hamas as proxies to strike at Israel without mounting direct military action. Hamas and Hezbollah then become sacrificial lambs/martyrs to Syrian and Iranian goals. Dying as underdogs to make Israel play the role of the bad guy. Israel for it's part plays right into it, as their foreign policy can accept collateral civilian casualites more readily than it can weakness. It's all a big mess like most conflicts in the world, but simply saying that Israel should be condemned and Hamas forgiven is throwing wood on the fire.


And if we want to talk about Hamas' charter which calls for the destruction of Israel, then let's talk about it:

In 2006 Ismail Haniyeh became Hamas prime minister. He offered the Bush administration a truce in return for an end to the illegal Israeli occupation. He was completely ignored.


Well let's talk about Hamas' charter then. Ismail Haniyeh's offer for a truce may not have been taken seriously because his foregin minister(and a Hamas co-founder) stated the following after their election "dreams of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it...I hope that our dream to have our independent state on all historic Palestine (including Israel). This dream will become real one day. I'm certain of this because there is no place for the state of Israel on this land". Surely Hamas own charter and statements by other co-founders like Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi(who also denies the holocaust) stating their goal is "to remove Israel from the map" make negotiations with them difficult to neigh on impossible.

I know you strongly disagree, but I am willing to understand Israeli relutance to trust a truce with an organization with that kind of leadership. A truce that is openly discussed as acceptable only because 'a phased liberation of all historic Palestine may be necessary' just doesn't strike me as in Israels best interests.

I don't think thats going to happen, the Right simply has a better system of disseminating false information and turning the topic, something we have seen demonstrate flawlessly over the last 8 years. I mean I talked to a citizen the other day and she had totally forgotten about the abysmal hearings done with Alberto Gonzalez.

I expect a tactic acceptance on the right for now, then slowly over the years a wonderful Wiemar backstab that neatly blames this on Clinton and Obama while saying that Bush was in a difficult time of war and terrorism. Kinda of what was done with the whole rhetoric surrounding the Vietnam war.

Progressives really suck at having their message transmitted nor do they have enough sources pushing such views through. Most media outlets besides Fox are too scared to take any kind of stances. And Blogs? Well I think Blogs are just as much as a problem because of balkanization. I mean shit I read NRO, Red Corner, BlackFive and Powerline and am fucking shocked and not surprised at all that people like QM exist.

Oh and didn't you notice that Bush is being written off already as a RINO? Republican In Name Only.

@Rotty:

"Demoncrat"? Really? Because all we need is more silly nicknames "demonizing" our opponents. And don't forget who one of the key figures was in actually sparking the attitudes that led to those wars: Republican senator Joseph McCarthy - the truest example of a traitor and domestic terrorist this nation has ever seen. Were it not for people like McCarthy, it's possible we might not have had the same level of National Paranoia that ultimately led to the travesty of the Vietnam war.

Hey dumbass, it was a demoncratic, crazed president who started the Vietnam War. As a matter of fact, if you want to keep score, demoncrats have the credit for the Korean and Vietnam wars totaling to ~ 112K american soldier DEATHS. That's gonna be a tough one beat! Guess who is worse?

This terrorist is a fucking liar. So you can beleive this murderer if you want, but that's just another example of blindness. This guy should be DEAD already.

And ultimately they had to bitch him out about his protestations against the Vietnam war.

Nothing changes.